The Olympics Thread

[Tank]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UODbCWq7OM

Here is a great video of a doctor explaining dsd as it relates to this boxing situation. 

[Sammy Sofa]

13 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

The right wing screech machine has seized on a boxer from Algeria with Swyer Syndrome, who was assigned female at birth and has female anatomy, as an example of "men being allowed to compete with women."  The memes are *everywhere* today, so it must be the officlal right-wing hysteria talking point of the day.

It'd be bad enough if it was regular transphobia, but this one is particularly galling because it doesn't even work with their normal transphobic worldview.  I Know fascists are playing calvinball, but this one bugs me.

 

They're really driving home that they can't answer their own stupid "what is a woman?" gotcha.

[jersey cubs fan]

US men’s soccer is doing US men’s soccer stuff 

[Sammy Sofa]

3 hours ago, Sammy Sofa said:

They're really driving home that they can't answer their own stupid "what is a woman?" gotcha.

https://defector.com/j-k-rowling-invents-a-trans-olympian-to-get-mad-at

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The Olympics, like all sports, are about celebrating the most awe-inspiring humans (or horses) for both their physical and mental superiority. Essentially any athlete who succeeds at this level is going to wield some difference that sets them apart from the rest of the competition, that shatters the life's ambitions of their opponents. When those athletes are men, we celebrate them unconditionally. But athletes like Khelif or Brittney Griner or Caster Semenya or Lia Thomas, when they excel, have to endure their femininity getting picked apart by freaks. In response to discussions about the complication of gender—the fact that no one trait is going to be shared by every man or woman in the world—the right loves to sneeringly ask "What is a woman?" with the implication that they can explain it straightforwardly and the left can't. But if they're going to narrow their definition so much that a cis woman with a difference only revealed through DNA tests instantly loses her claim to womanhood, it's hard to believe "woman" signifies anything to them besides "a means for oppression."

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So for what it's worth, I jumped the gun and we don't even know if the boxer has swyer syndrome.

All we know is that she passed years of IBA testing, failed one year for unspecified reasons, and the IBA has since been unaccredited by the IOC.

 

 

[Tank]

41 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

So for what it's worth, I jumped the gun and we don't even know if the boxer has swyer syndrome.

All we know is that she passed years of IBA testing, failed one year for unspecified reasons, and the IBA has since been unaccredited by the IOC.

 

 

Understandable, man. Unfortunately, we live in a world where it's quite easy to be misled for a number of reasons. Even our own news sources jump the gun.  

I have a connection to the boxing world. I'm not that Tank, but one of my closest friends is a female professional boxer and this situation has been one that I have kept an eye on. It's frustrating that no one can seem to provide a definitive answer as to who Imane Khelif is. 

[jersey cubs fan]

[Sammy Sofa]

Imagine being a boxer and stopping your fight IN THE OLYMPICS because "the other person is hitting me too hard" and then not immediately shriveling up and imploding out of existence due to sheer embarrassment.

[sneakypower]

[Sammy Sofa]

Republicans watching everything these days, TBH.

[WrigleyField 22]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Imagine being a boxer and stopping your fight IN THE OLYMPICS because "the other person is hitting me too hard" and then not immediately shriveling up and imploding out of existence due to sheer embarrassment.

I'm trying to go easy on her because it seems like it wasn't her intent to attack Imane and it's just the right wing storm taking it.

 

But she seems like she's a pretty weak boxer. I mean I know she's an Olympian and all so she'd probably beat my ass, but I guess this wasn't the first time she's quit a match. And Imane has a strong, but far from unbeatable record.  And this woman is infantalized for being injured in BOXING.  Sorry theres risk in a match of punching. There's really not much apparent evidence Imane poses more risk to her opponents that other top female boxers based on what I can see from the boxers records.

 

And yea, to tack on to the "the right can't even decide what a woman is" the fact that she competed for years under IBA just underscores that. They apparently struggle to define the criteria for an eligible woman is for their competitions.

 

I spent way to much time reading about sex disorders and testosterone production in male puberty being the supposed core distinction for why a (possibly) intersex person can't compete as a woman, but I'd dare one of those people to then support an actual trans woman who had no male puberty from taking hormone blockers to be welcomed into international female competetion.  (hint, they won't)

[Tank]

9 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Imagine being a boxer and stopping your fight IN THE OLYMPICS because "the other person is hitting me too hard" and then not immediately shriveling up and imploding out of existence due to sheer embarrassment.

Nothing looked overtly vicious. She walked into a right. That seemed to be the punch that convinced her to quit.  It appears she has since apologized for her behavior and issued an apology to Khelif. 

[Sammy Sofa]

Stolen from elsewhere:

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We know that JK Rowling didn’t really invent her though, because her name isn’t Facepunch Secretpenis

 

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

7 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Stolen from elsewhere:

 

I lol'd

[Sammy Sofa]

18 minutes ago, WrigleyField 22 said:

I'm trying to go easy on her because it seems like it wasn't her intent to attack Imane and it's just the right wing storm taking it.

I feel bad for making the joke because in hindsight it looks more like a bad translation issue (probably willfully bad actors in some cases) than anything else.

Specifically she took a shot to the nose that she knew was going make continuing the fight basically impossible, so she tapped out. No shame in that.

[WrigleyField 22]

All rw outrage leads back to Russia part 672

 

[WrigleyField 22]

More from Angela Carini

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5676796/2024/08/02/olympics-women-boxing-angela-carini-apologizes-imane-khelif/?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

[Tank]

Léon Marchand takes another gold. We are witnessing the birth of an Olympic legend at these games. The admiration he's received from Phelps is very cool to see. Also seems like a humble kid. 

[mul21]

Absolutely amazing race and finish in the men's 10,000.  Grant Fisher becomes only the 3rd American to medal in that event since 1960 I think they said.  Just an incredible final 800m and he almost hung on for silver.

[Thurman Merman]

5 minutes ago, mul21 said:

Absolutely amazing race and finish in the men's 10,000.  Grant Fisher becomes only the 3rd American to medal in that event since 1960 I think they said.  Just an incredible final 800m and he almost hung on for silver.

It was pretty great. That Ethiopian dude came flying up out of nowhere.

[Tank]

6 minutes ago, mul21 said:

Absolutely amazing race and finish in the men's 10,000.  Grant Fisher becomes only the 3rd American to medal in that event since 1960 I think they said.  Just an incredible final 800m and he almost hung on for silver.

That was awesome! One of the best moments from these games. 

[SpongeWorthy]

I'll admit that when I saw the boxing match start to percolate on twitter my immediate reaction was "this is horsefeathered up and wrong to let a man step into the ring with this woman" 

And then I read up on it more and found nuance through things like that Reddit post and I've completely flip flopped and now that poor woman is being destroyed for it.

But now it's just crystallized for me how much this hellish asymmetric information warfare dystopia (now turbocharged by AI) being played by Putin et. al. we are entering is going to destroy everything and I don't really know if there's a way to stop it or even slow it down. Really depressing stuff.

[Sammy Sofa]

2 minutes ago, SpongeWorthy said:

I'll admit that when I saw the boxing match start to percolate on twitter my immediate reaction was "this is horsefeathered up and wrong to let a man step into the ring with this woman"

Honest question: why would you think that scenario would be even remotely likely in the Olympics?

[SpongeWorthy]

Just now, Sammy Sofa said:

Honest question: why would you think that scenario would be even remotely likely in the Olympics?

A million little reasons

1) I'm not one of these people who thinks the algo has no affect on me (which is just the new version of advertising doesn't work on me which is a theory disproven by advertising's very existence). I have tried to curate twitter to a point, especially post elon-takeover, where my feed is usable. If I didn't I'd see Nazi propaganda all the time (as opposed to some of the time). But when this story broke, the zone was absolutely flooded by The Narrative and the counter programming, which to me looks broadly correct now, was left in the dust

2) I don't associate the IOC with being something kind of moral authority on competitive fairness. They're probably jus as corrupt as any other monied interest with a lot of power.

3) When the story first broke, I saw "well the IBA banned her so what's the IOC's deal" all over the place without knowing the IBA is basically a Russian propaganda outlet

4) A propaganda campaign has to have some degree of plausibility to work right? There's a reason why say, climate change is a hoax, has some currency with huge segments of the world population and "birds aren't real" doesn't.

 

[jersey cubs fan]

My I thought the story was legit for some reason t-shirt is raising a lot of questions already answered by the shirt