Chicago Bears offseason

[Hairyducked Idiot]

17 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

this is idiotic, but right  on que

cue.  Queue means a line. Que is not an english word.

Edited February 18, 2024 by Hairyducked Idiot

[minnesotacubsfan]

Just now, Hairyducked Idiot said:

cue.  Queue means a line. Que is not an english word.

dude, I dont give a horsefeathers

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

1 minute ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

dude, I dont give a horsefeathers

 

 

That's probably true, but it's irrelevant. You aren't capable of doing better whether you want to or not.

[minnesotacubsfan]

1 minute ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

That's probably true, but it's irrelevant. You aren't capable of doing better whether you want to or not.

and you are an Idiot. it's in you're name

 

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

3 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

and you are an Idiot. it's in you're name

 

 

I put it there to help you spell it.  No shot you get it otherwise.

[BigbadB]

13 hours ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

but if its anything other than Fields vs Williams, god knows what will happen, and I would be disappointed with anything other that those 2

I wouldn't be disappointed if Poles' scout team valued Maye and/or Daniels equally or fairly equal, and then they took a tremendous haul to move down one spot. 

Washington has a new ownership group that wants to make a splash, and getting Caleb would be a splash. He's from DC, they already know what he looks like in their team colors, they hired his QB coach at USC and they still have plenty of capital to build the team around him even after giving up a haul.

I'm guessing offers might already be getting exchanged. Washington has to be thinking that if the Bears had any interest in trading the first pick, they may not want to trade Fields too, so offers need to be coming in before Pittsburgh and Atlanta or a mystery team start coming in for Fields. 

Washington has their first rounders for the next 3 years, 2 second rounders this year and one next year among other capital that Poles might not be able to pass up. The question is how much Washington is willing to trade to move one spot, and how much Poles is willing to listen to offers that "blow him away" (his words), and if any other QB is a nice consolation prize with the haul.

 

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14 hours ago, SpongeWorthy said:

williams does hold the ball too long and that needs to be coached out of him

but he believed usc had to score TDs on every possession to compete because the defense was so ass so he was always looking for the home run play

even in his first year at sc when the defense was merely bad instead of basically the worst in the country he didn’t hold the ball as long

It's one thing to hold onto the ball because you're trying to make a play, it's another thing to hold onto the ball because you can't pull the trigger on an open target. Not going to pretend Caleb doesn't have some turn downs that cause him to hold onto the ball, but it's far less frequent than Fields (based on my eye test). And Caleb has the quick release that makes this less of a deal than w/ Fields. If you're going to be late getting rid of the ball, you better be able to take that 1/2 second off your release to get the ball there quicker, Caleb can do this. Not a perfect prospect by any means, but I feel much more confident in Caleb as his TTT issues don't appear to be as much of a product of not seeing the field well enough.

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11 minutes ago, BigbadB said:

I wouldn't be disappointed if Poles' scout team valued Maye and/or Daniels equally or fairly equal, and then they took a tremendous haul to move down one spot. 

Washington has a new ownership group that wants to make a splash, and getting Caleb would be a splash. He's from DC, they already know what he looks like in their team colors, they hired his QB coach at USC and they still have plenty of capital to build the team around him even after giving up a haul.

I'm guessing offers might already be getting exchanged. Washington has to be thinking that if the Bears had any interest in trading the first pick, they may not want to trade Fields too, so offers need to be coming in before Pittsburgh and Atlanta or a mystery team start coming in for Fields. 

Washington has their first rounders for the next 3 years, 2 second rounders this year and one next year among other capital that Poles might not be able to pass up. The question is how much Washington is willing to trade to move one spot, and how much Poles is willing to listen to offers that "blow him away" (his words), and if any other QB is a nice consolation prize with the haul.

 

I don't think there's a realistic offer Washington could offer to make me want to take Drake Maye. I like Maye a lot, but to me, the decision is either you take Caleb 1, or you get a haul that makes last year's trade for the 1st pick look like a steal for Carolina. Getting neither Caleb nor a huge trade haul does nothing. 

The closest comparison to a huge 1 spot trade was the Chargers trading for Ryan Leaf in 1998, they gave up a 2nd and a future 1st to move up from 3 to 2 to take Leaf. Much different league these days, but I think that's the best possible offer you can get. And you only take that if you have Maye rate equally or better than Williams. Which if that is the case, I honestly question the Bears scouting. Caleb is a clear notch ahead, IMO. 

[BigbadB]

24 minutes ago, raw said:

I don't think there's a realistic offer Washington could offer to make me want to take Drake Maye. I like Maye a lot, but to me, the decision is either you take Caleb 1, or you get a haul that makes last year's trade for the 1st pick look like a steal for Carolina. Getting neither Caleb nor a huge trade haul does nothing. 

The closest comparison to a huge 1 spot trade was the Chargers trading for Ryan Leaf in 1998, they gave up a 2nd and a future 1st to move up from 3 to 2 to take Leaf. Much different league these days, but I think that's the best possible offer you can get. And you only take that if you have Maye rate equally or better than Williams. Which if that is the case, I honestly question the Bears scouting. Caleb is a clear notch ahead, IMO. 

I don't think there is an offer good enough, either. Poles words were that he'd have to be "blown away" with an offer, and 2 firsts and a 2nd isn't getting blown away. Blown away might be 2 firsts, both of their seconds this year and a player, or 3 firsts and at least one of their seconds. Whatever it is will likely be too expensive for Washington, so it may not matter. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's not fields vs Williams.

 

It's "fields is gone because he's awful, ok let's look for a replacement, oh cool Williams is there."

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2024/02/17/trubisky-mason-rudolph-tomlin-omar-khan-nfl-draft-free-agency/stories/202402120144

 

Steelers not looking to trade for a starting qb

[BigSlick]

21 hours ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

https://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2024/02/17/trubisky-mason-rudolph-tomlin-omar-khan-nfl-draft-free-agency/stories/202402120144

 

Steelers not looking to trade for a starting qb

It's impossible to know really, there are all sorts of conflicting reports. Some say that Tomlin absolutely loves Fields and wants him 

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-mike-tomlin-interested-justin-fields

All of it is tea leaves reading, unfortunately, until the trades start flying. Its of course in every teams best interest to keep their motives secret and have a bunch of contradictory reports out.

But....I am concerned that the market for Fields might not be very strong. Its a great draft for QBs, there are a handful of decent free agent QBs...its not great timing to try to unload him. 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

2 hours ago, BigSlick said:

It's impossible to know really, there are all sorts of conflicting reports. Some say that Tomlin absolutely loves Fields and wants him 

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/news/pittsburgh-steelers-mike-tomlin-interested-justin-fields

All of it is tea leaves reading, unfortunately, until the trades start flying. Its of course in every teams best interest to keep their motives secret and have a bunch of contradictory reports out.

But....I am concerned that the market for Fields might not be very strong. Its a great draft for QBs, there are a handful of decent free agent QBs...its not great timing to try to unload him. 

This isn't down on you specfiically because 95% of sports fan do it, but it bugs me how much people don't really read the specifics of these reports.  It all just gets jumbled into a generic mish-mash.

The report you linked says that Adam Schefter reported that Tomlin "likes" Justin Fields.  That is the entirety of the reporting that is done.  Schefter then goes on to *speculate* that the Steelers might be interested in FIelds in a trade because they presumably need a QB and Tomlin likes Fields.  At no point is it actually reported that the Steelers are interested in trading for Fields.

The link I posted directly states that the Pittsburgh front office is not interested in trading for a potential starting QB.  That could be a lie by either the reporter or the front office, but it's not speculation, it's an actual report.

The two links don't contradict each other. It's perfectly possible that Tomlin likes Fields and the Steelers don't intend on trading for him.

The following are all different statements but people treat them as identical:

"Team X has a need at Player A's position, they could try to make a deal"

"Industry sources think Team X might explore a trade for player A, it seems like a good fit"

"Team X intends to upgrade at this position and Player A is on their radar"

"Team X is hoping to trade for Player A"

"Team X is in talks about trading for player A"

Those all mean completely different things, but sports fans treat them like they all mean the exact same thing.  There's a certain amount of smokescreening going on in pro sports, but part of the reason it feels like reporters don't know anything is because people don't read what the reporters actaully write.  

 

[UMFan83]

People on Twitter are claiming that Fields (and his dog?) unfollowed the Bears on Instagram lol so we’ve reached that part of the offseason

[Brian707]

7 minutes ago, UMFan83 said:

People on Twitter are claiming that Fields (and his dog?) unfollowed the Bears on Instagram lol so we’ve reached that part of the offseason

Uno is his dog's name.  Must have accounts for him

[minnesotacubsfan]

I was under the impression that Tomlin liked Fields when he was drafted, and Schafer is extrapolating that he may still like Fields. Who knows what the Steelers are thinking now

Edited February 20, 2024 by minnesotacubsfan

[Thusly Boned]

The draft can't get here soon enough. The "discussion" about what the Bears are going to do was already tired a couple months ago. Now it's insufferable, and I'm barely exposed to it.

The "Keep Justin vs. Draft Williams" civil war is one of the dumber things I've seen in ages, and given the usual level of discourse among football fans, that is really saying something.

[Brian707]

Some more offseason nonsense for you all

 

 

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I just spent another season watching Desmond Ridder. You have no idea how spoiled you were at the QB position.

[minnesotacubsfan]

4 minutes ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

I just spent another season watching Desmond Ridder. You have no idea how spoiled you were at the QB position.

I dont think Fields is ever going to be a worldbeater until he is in a Ravens style office that utilizes his talents, including running the ball. I know people say/feel that will just shorten his career, but its what he excels at

[Hairyducked Idiot]

46 minutes ago, Ding Dong Johnson said:

I just spent another season watching Desmond Ridder. You have no idea how spoiled you were at the QB position.

Adjusted net yards/attempt in 2023

 

Ridder - 5.58

Fields - 5.50

Fields comes out a little ahead on tds vs turnovers, but not a lot.

 

Fields is in the same tier of QBs as the Ridders and Picketts of the NFL 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

44 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

I dont think Fields is ever going to be a worldbeater until he is in a Ravens style office that utilizes his talents, including running the ball. I know people say/feel that will just shorten his career, but its what he excels at

The ravens offense relies on qbs making correct rpo reads.  Fields is one of the worst I've ever seen at making rpo reads.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

2 minutes ago, Hairyducked Idiot said:

Adjusted net yards/attempt in 2023

 

Ridder - 5.58

Fields - 5.50

Fields comes out a little ahead on tds vs turnovers, but not a lot.

 

Fields is in the same tier of QBs as the Ridders and Picketts of the NFL 

Shut your face. You don't know Desmond.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Fields wasnt playing in the Ravens offense, he was playing in Getsy's 1, 2nd down halfback dive offense

[Hairyducked Idiot]

5 minutes ago, minnesotacubsfan said:

Fields wasnt playing in the Ravens offense, he was playing in Getsy's 1, 2nd down halfback dive offense

The bears ran rpos.  Fields was awful at rpos. The ravens run more rpos.