Cubs offseason chit chat...

[Jason Ross]

Braves have been the most connected here, but it does say "finalists". Wonder if the Cubs are in any way involved.

[LBiittner]

4 minutes ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Braves have been the most connected here, but it does say "finalists". Wonder if the Cubs are in any way 

Jed needs to be in on this. 

 

[Rcal10]

8 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Jed needs to be in on this. 

 

Cubs aren’t getting Cease. I don’t see the Sox trading him back to us.

[chibears55]

2 hours ago, Stratos said:

If they sign Ohtani, with the extra revenue there's no excuse not to go over the 2nd threshold and get close to 277 and take advantage of that signing while he's still in his prime years, along with Swanson.

If they sign Ohtani, and also have Swanson who both will be in early 30s, they've got to do some spending to not waste those early years of contract. They can't just say ok we spent X amount on a couple big time players,  now enjoy them for 162 games and hopefully a playoff round or two.

Also

This will likely be Bote last season with the cubs, he owed 5.5 mil, has club options for 25 and 26 for 7 mil each.  Kinda sucks to be paying a guy that much to play in AAA, I wonder if Counsell will give him an opportunity to make team in ST.

[LBiittner]

17 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Cubs aren’t getting Cease. I don’t see the Sox trading him back to us.

Agreed.

I'd rather have Cease than Glasgow though 

[Rcal10]

7 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Agreed.

I'd rather have Cease than Glasgow though 

Not a fair comparison. Glasnow will cost a lot less as far as prospects go. If they are going to aim high and lose prospects I would take Gilbert over either of those guys.  If they are going to go as far as Cease and what the Sox would want for him, give me Gilbert. 

[LBiittner]

10 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Not a fair comparison. Glasnow will cost a lot less as far as prospects go. If they are going to aim high and lose prospects I would take Gilbert over either of those guys.  If they are going to go as far as Cease and what the Sox would want for him, give me Gilbert. 

Cease is available. I haven't seen Gilbert's availability? 

I'd be willing to.trade 2 top 10 prospects

 Leave it to Jed to decide which 2

[Tryptamine]

15 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Not a fair comparison. Glasnow will cost a lot less as far as prospects go. If they are going to aim high and lose prospects I would take Gilbert over either of those guys.  If they are going to go as far as Cease and what the Sox would want for him, give me Gilbert. 

 

Yes, this is a more reasonable comparison than the Glasnow to Gilbert one earlier. I'd much rather add an additional big prospect and have Gilbert than pony up 2 of the top 10 for Cease.

[LBiittner]

9 minutes ago, Tryptamine said:

 

Yes, this is a more reasonable comparison than the Glasnow to Gilbert one earlier. I'd much rather add an additional big prospect and have Gilbert than pony up 2 of the top 10 for Cease.

Do you have a link that Gilbert is on the market?

[Bertz]

1 minute ago, LBiittner said:

Do you have a link that Gilbert is on the market?

There have been rumblings since the trade deadline that the Mariners would like to do a young SP for young hitter swap.  I don't know if there's been anything that Gilbert is specifically more available than the others or if he's just the most popular amongst fans.

[LBiittner]

2 minutes ago, Bertz said:

There have been rumblings since the trade deadline that the Mariners would like to do a young SP for young hitter swap.  I don't know if there's been anything that Gilbert is specifically more available than the others or if he's just the most popular amongst fans.

So its more like fanatic dream ability over actual reality?

Well darn I'm gonna dream Tom Seaver signs with the Cubs but hes dead.

[JHBulls]

8 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

So its more like fanatic dream ability over actual reality?

Well darn I'm gonna dream Tom Seaver signs with the Cubs but hes dead.

In the future, Greg Maddux will be rolling over in his grave. 

[Rcal10]

32 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Cease is available. I haven't seen Gilbert's availability? 

I'd be willing to.trade 2 top 10 prospects

 Leave it to Jed to decide which 2

Cease to the Cubs is probably marginally more likely than Gilbert. Sox aren’t going to trade him to the Cubs unless it is an extreme overpay. 

[LBiittner]

3 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Cease to the Cubs is probably marginally more likely than Gilbert. Sox aren’t going to trade him to the Cubs unless it is an extreme overpay. 

Cubs overpaid for Quintana.

Am I right?

[LBiittner]

5 minutes ago, JHBulls said:

In the future, Greg Maddux will be rolling over in his grave. 

After reading how Maddux took a crap on the after game meal table in front of everyone in the Braves clubhouse, nothing he surprises me

[JHBulls]

2 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

After reading how Maddux took a crap on the after game meal table in front of everyone in the Braves clubhouse, nothing he surprises me

Yep, weirdest dude in the Hall of Fame. 

[Cuzi]

Nothing is going to help in landing Gilbert. It would help in landing Miller, Woo, or Hancock.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Cuzi

[Stratos]

6 hours ago, 1908_Cubs said:

Braves have been the most connected here, but it does say "finalists". Wonder if the Cubs are in any way involved.

Hard to see them making a deal like this before Ohtani is signed.

If they lose out on Ohtani the Cubs can pivot to a FA TORP as an option.  If they land Ohtani then trading for a 1-year SP seems more likely and acquiring a SP who has a multiyear deal less likely.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Stratos

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, chibears55 said:

This will likely be Bote last season with the cubs, he owed 5.5 mil, has club options for 25 and 26 for 7 mil each.  Kinda sucks to be paying a guy that much to play in AAA, I wonder if Counsell will give him an opportunity to make team in ST.

Like last year, i think they'd rather have the best players on the MLB roster than worry about who is owed what.

[thawv]

8 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

 

Yes, this is a more reasonable comparison than the Glasnow to Gilbert one earlier. I'd much rather add an additional big prospect and have Gilbert than pony up 2 of the top 10 for Cease.

What did I miss??  Why is Gilbert mentioned in trade conversations.  That just doesn't seem like a guy Seattle would trade.  No?

[Cuzi]

14 minutes ago, thawv said:

What did I miss??  Why is Gilbert mentioned in trade conversations.  That just doesn't seem like a guy Seattle would trade.  No?

Its been a while now that the Mariners have been expected to trade one of their pitchers for a bat. I have no idea where the thought of them trading Gilbert came from, though. I suppose its because he's their #3 pitcher right now and if they signed a guy like Snell he would become their #4. But, the guy is a 3 WAR pre-arb pitcher, even if he were available the cost is probably so far above any bat the Cubs can offer that its not feasible a trade happens. Meanwhile, they have 3 other pitchers that would be fighting for 1 rotation spot in Miller, Woo, and Hancock. Miller or Woo seem to be the more likely to be traded because either one of them carries enough value to get a decent bat and then Hancock becomes injury depth.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Cuzi

[thawv]

11 minutes ago, Cuzi said:

Its been a while now that the Mariners have been expected to trade one of their pitchers for a bat. I have no idea where the thought of them trading Gilbert came from, though. I suppose its because he's their #3 pitcher right now and if they signed a guy like Snell he would become their #4. But, the guy is a 3 WAR pre-arb pitcher, even if he were available the cost is probably so far above any bat the Cubs can offer that its not feasible a trade happens. Meanwhile, they have 3 other pitchers that would be fighting for 1 rotation spot in Miller, Woo, and Hancock. Miller or Woo seem to be the more likely to be traded because either one of them carries enough value to get a decent bat and then Hancock becomes injury depth.

I think Logan would cost PCA plus a Mervis type.  Young, really good, cheap, and controlled goes a long way.

But is PCA considered a "bat" yet?  It's going to be quite awhile until we know how he is as a major league hitter.

But, great explanation how how Gilbert may have been deduced as a trade piece. 

[Cuzi]

18 minutes ago, thawv said:

I think Logan would cost PCA plus a Mervis type.  Young, really good, cheap, and controlled goes a long way.

But is PCA considered a "bat" yet?  It's going to be quite awhile until we know how he is as a major league hitter.

But, great explanation how how Gilbert may have been deduced as a trade piece. 

Even if PCA were a bat, the chances the Mariners are looking for a CFer is most certainly 0%.

Edited November 30, 2023 by Cuzi

[Rcal10]

4 hours ago, Stratos said:

Hard to see them making a deal like this before Ohtani is signed.

If they lose out on Ohtani the Cubs can pivot to a FA TORP as an option.  If they land Ohtani then trading for a 1-year SP seems more likely and acquiring a SP who has a multiyear deal less likely.

Cease actually has 2 years left. I don’t think the Cubs trade for him, but he isn’t a one year guy. So far the only 1 year guys mentioned are Glasnow and Bieber(a little) That sort of guy makes sense with Ohtani. Whether anyone wants either or not, is another discussion. 

 

[LBiittner]

21 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

I know they aren’t going close to $300M. But they have to go over the LT this year. It makes too much sense as long as they are back under in 25’. That said, for me, I think it is wrong for a large market to worry about that sort of thing. But based on past experience, I am certainTR won’t live over the LT too long even if they go over in 24(which IMO, they have to). 

I've found the LT system in MLB an interesting self imposed governor by ownership to keep the billionaires from going too ape-horsefeathers crazy with their toys. But with salaries going bonkers where vet starters get 20-25m,  long relievers and spot starters like pagan, martinez and smyly getting 13m per and journeymen backup catchers can pull down 3m don't you think ownership will have to drastically raise the bars of the LT? Or quite realistically eventually phase it out altogether?