Article: A Trade a Day: Ok, Let's Talk About Jeimer Candelario

[chopsx9]

24 minutes ago, Derwood said:

Made of glass? He hit 550 PA's in 4 of his 6 seasons. He had one major injury that he has now recovered from

Yeah I'd be making every attempt in the world to push the theory of the rejuvenating ivy of Wrigley Field and sign him to a big deal. 

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[chopsx9]

Nay on Candalerio...short of suddenly being in serious contention and even then...maybe...I guess.

Morel has shown some offensive progression - stick him at a position for 50 games and lets see if we see some defensive progression.  I wonder if the reason he's not playing 3B now is that the Cubs don't think he's viable at all at 3B.  I mean there isn't a scenario where he ends up at 2b I don't think.

Also lots of chatter in the Toronto media about Bellinger today.  Lots of talk of benching Varsho and his sub 180 OBP over the last 30 days.  He's been a black hole offensively all season - basically an Owar of 0 and Toronto feels they need more offense.  The questioning of the that trade has bubbled up periodically all season but lots of hate on it currently.  Even a mention of sending him down and giving it a try again next year.

[Tim]

48 minutes ago, chopsx9 said:

Yeah I'd be making every attempt in the world to push the theory of the rejuvenating ivy of Wrigley Field and sign him to a big deal. 

Would you sign him to a Nimmo-size deal?

The statcast numbers freak me out when thinking about making a long-term commitment. I think I'd opt on the sell-high side of things if the offer is out there.

[chibears55]

i think I'd rather see what Jake Slaughter can do for 2 months then spend assets on a rental.

[chopsx9]

51 minutes ago, Tim said:

Would you sign him to a Nimmo-size deal?

The statcast numbers freak me out when thinking about making a long-term commitment. I think I'd opt on the sell-high side of things if the offer is out there.

I would - I'd be all in - we can't possibly "Heyward" twice...right?  He's 28 - can reasonably expect to still be producing at a high level through the next window.  You don't have to give up any prospects.  Who can the Cubs reasonably expect to get that's going to be better than him?  He'd be the cornerstone to build around.

[chibears55]

12 minutes ago, chopsx9 said:

I would - I'd be all in - we can't possibly "Heyward" twice...right?  He's 28 - can reasonably expect to still be producing at a high level through the next window.  You don't have to give up any prospects.  Who can the Cubs reasonably expect to get that's going to be better than him?  He'd be the cornerstone to build around.

Agree, id rather trade Suzuki and move Bellinger to RF

[CubUgly]

15 hours ago, Matt Trueblood said:

Mastro, Mancini, and Wisdom in right! Yes, they’ve done some wild horsefeathers that way. The difference is that I think they felt they had no choice in those situations, but they *are* fairly comfortable with Wisdom, Mastro, and Madrigal as defensive 3B even while still trying to contend. Again, I’m with you. I just see a distinction they might be drawing there, between being cornered and proactively choosing a risky alignment. 

Ironically, Madrigal has been the best of them all defensively at third, no one could have predicted that.  He worked his tail off and made himself a servicable 3rd basemen in a relatively short amount of time.   Of course he lacks the power you would like at that corner and only in the last few weeks before he got  hurt did he start hitting anywhere near the player we thought we would be getting.

And therein lies the rub, how much are you willing to risk defensively to get the hitting and power you want and need at 3rd?  I agree the risk is there defensively more with Morel than the others - but honestly none are really great there.  

[Tryptamine]

I don't know we've ever seen a 3B with as little power as Madrigal, but very limited power 3B aren't entirely unprecedented. I can kind of see Madrigal being a budget Placido Polanco. 

[CubinNY]

1 hour ago, Tryptamine said:

I don't know we've ever seen a 3B with as little power as Madrigal, but very limited power 3B aren't entirely unprecedented. I can kind of see Madrigal being a budget Placido Polanco. 

He can't stay healthy. I think that's his number 1 problem. He has no value on the DL

[CubUgly]

3 hours ago, Tryptamine said:

I don't know we've ever seen a 3B with as little power as Madrigal, but very limited power 3B aren't entirely unprecedented. I can kind of see Madrigal being a budget Placido Polanco. 

I know BA is an outdated stat that few give credence to anymore, but for someone who rarely walks or hits for power like Madrigal, it's important.  He almost has to hit .300 or more to justify playing him anywhere.

[Tryptamine]

12 minutes ago, CubUgly said:

I know BA is an outdated stat that few give credence to anymore, but for someone who rarely walks or hits for power like Madrigal, it's important.  He almost has to hit .300 or more to justify playing him anywhere.

Even with his horrendous start to the year and his modest .278/.335/.364 line so far he has put up .7 fWAR in 53 games. That's 2.13fWAR per 162 which isn't awful. If he's a .300 hitter he's more like a 3 fWAR guy. The biggest issue is will he ever get anywhere near 100 MLB games, let alone 162 to build up that value. 

[chibears55]

6 hours ago, CubUgly said:

I know BA is an outdated stat that few give credence to anymore, but for someone who rarely walks or hits for power like Madrigal, it's important.  He almost has to hit .300 or more to justify playing him anywhere.

Right, he needs to have a high OBP and that starts with his batting average because he doesn't walk much.. he just not a guy you want on a contending team, he useful for a team rebuilding or going through the motion of putting a team together. 

 

[KCCub]