NFL Offseason 2023

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Paytons’ response to the incident personal coach situation is hardly a dictator type response. There is no reason for a personal coach to be in the building. You can’t have that. Wilson walked all over a rookie coach and destroyed any power and influence he had in that building with a terrible season coming off a subpar season.

 

While this is true, the dictator coach stuff is also true. I doubt it will be a problem either way. Payton has won, is a big name, and will have the respect of Russ and the rest of the time. But he is Parcells 2.0.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

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Paytons’ response to the incident personal coach situation is hardly a dictator type response. There is no reason for a personal coach to be in the building. You can’t have that. Wilson walked all over a rookie coach and destroyed any power and influence he had in that building with a terrible season coming off a subpar season.

 

It is amazing that he had to answer that question. Sounds like it didn't come up in the interview process...

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The NFL got stuff right and elected Revis (first ballot) and Klecko to the HOF

 

Here’s to the league’s offseason script featuring Lamar Jackson to the Jets too

 

The great Joe Thomas was first ballot too, duh…DeMarcus Ware too, nice…Ronde Barber got in, game changing CB before it was cool…Don Coryell…Zach Thomas was always annoying, he and Jason Taylor were ridiculous with the Dolphins

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-hall-of-fame-selections-darrelle-revis-joe-thomas-highlight-2023-class-034758693.html

 

They did NOT get it right as Devin Hester did not get in. 2023 and #23 didn't get in. Literally undisputed as the best at what he did.

[BigbadB]

The NFL got stuff right and elected Revis (first ballot) and Klecko to the HOF

 

Here’s to the league’s offseason script featuring Lamar Jackson to the Jets too

 

The great Joe Thomas was first ballot too, duh…DeMarcus Ware too, nice…Ronde Barber got in, game changing CB before it was cool…Don Coryell…Zach Thomas was always annoying, he and Jason Taylor were ridiculous with the Dolphins

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-hall-of-fame-selections-darrelle-revis-joe-thomas-highlight-2023-class-034758693.html

 

They did NOT get it right as Devin Hester did not get in. 2023 and #23 didn't get in. Literally undisputed as the best at what he did.

 

Maybe he can go in with teammate Julius Peppers next year.

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Good idea, as I think the NFL prefers true starters+ to be traded then extended (or just extended) rather than hitting FA. Still, there’s also a reason the machine is letting him hit FA: he’s 32 next season, an “ordinary” athlete in the league, and just had his worst season in several years. Carr’s probably a weaker FA than Cousins was but the non-Falcons NFC South or Detroit in the NFC North should be pretty riveted

 

So this is kind of an interesting scenario for Carr. On one hand, he stood to get 121Mil over the next 3 years. But on the other, he only had 5M in guarantees. Obviously, he's going for more guaranteed money and putting himself in position to have a bidding war over him with every team having a shot at him before the rest of the FAs have a chance to hit the market. I have no idea what his value is on the open market, though I'd imagine it'd be closer to Jared Goff money (33.5M AAV) than to the 40M AAV he was set to make over the next 3 years. But he was never going to see that money anyway. But then again, he would at least have had his 34M+ 2023 salary paid as the Saints weren't going to trade for him and then not pay him. Seems like the Saints would though, renegotiate to guarantee him a 2nd season at least. So, this kind of feels like Carr sticking it to Vegas and not allowing them to get any assets for him.

[WrigleyField 22]

I'm guessing every team approached him with basically an offer to guarantee his remaining money but spread it over 23 and 24 and then reduce his 25 salary.

 

So he can take his chance in a totally open market. Maybe not 3/120, but I can see 3/100.

 

So all in all a pretty good extension he negotiated last year. Was pit in a situation to either make bank or dictate his future, with the guarantee date and no trade clause.

[BigbadB]

What team do we feel can most afford him given he probably wants to sign with a playoff caliber team?

[WrigleyField 22]

What team do we feel can most afford him given he probably wants to sign with a playoff caliber team?

Commanders? They're probably the combo of closest to playoffs in 2022 with the most cap space (without restructures)

 

But any team, even the Saints can figure out the cap hit part of it all.

[BigbadB]

What team do we feel can most afford him given he probably wants to sign with a playoff caliber team?

Commanders? They're probably the combo of closest to playoffs in 2022 with the most cap space (without restructures)

 

But any team, even the Saints can figure out the cap hit part of it all.

 

Washington was the first team I thought of, also. If they sign Carr, then Payne probably walks.

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What team do we feel can most afford him given he probably wants to sign with a playoff caliber team?

Commanders? They're probably the combo of closest to playoffs in 2022 with the most cap space (without restructures)

 

But any team, even the Saints can figure out the cap hit part of it all.

 

Washington was the first team I thought of, also. If they sign Carr, then Payne probably walks.

 

I seriously think the Commanders are going to see what they have in Sam Howell. Seems like it's up to the Saints to lose Carr at this point.

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Georgia OC, Todd Monken hired for the same position with the Ravens. I really like this move.

[Old Style]

The NFL got stuff right and elected Revis (first ballot) and Klecko to the HOF

 

Here’s to the league’s offseason script featuring Lamar Jackson to the Jets too

 

The great Joe Thomas was first ballot too, duh…DeMarcus Ware too, nice…Ronde Barber got in, game changing CB before it was cool…Don Coryell…Zach Thomas was always annoying, he and Jason Taylor were ridiculous with the Dolphins

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-hall-of-fame-selections-darrelle-revis-joe-thomas-highlight-2023-class-034758693.html

 

They did NOT get it right as Devin Hester did not get in. 2023 and #23 didn't get in. Literally undisputed as the best at what he did.

 

Maybe he can go in with teammate Julius Peppers Peanut Tillman next year.

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[raw]

So, with franchise tag window starting today, I was thinking.

 

If you're the Giants, do you really want Daniel Jones back? I mean, regardless that he said he wants 45M/season (who doesn't), any realistic deal for him just seems like a bad idea to me. If you're Brian Daboll, you have on your resume that you developed Josh Allen. You made Mitch Trubisky look good enough in short stints to the point that he was signed by another team as a starting QB. And now you salvaged what was a bust of a draft pick in Jones.

 

But still, you barely let Jones throw the ball. Granted, your WRs were pretty bad, but he didn't exactly prove he's a 45 or even 30M a year QB. The non-exclusive franchise tag makes a little sense at 32M or whatever for 1 year. But then if you want Saquan back, you'd have to commit to him long-term. Which with his health history, you may be compounding a problem. And they have a decent amount of cap space, but that's eaten up quite a bit with Jones & Barkley back, considering you also have to add WR talent.

 

I know the Giants aren't in the best place (playoff win) to draft a QB this year, but they may be able to get cheaper production in free agency. Maybe a guy like Jacoby Brissett makes sense. Maybe another failed top 10 pick can be salvaged in Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold. Maybe Jimmy G if you want to tie similar (if not lesser) money to someone you know might have trade value if you can find a QB to develop over the next year or 2. But if I'm the Giants, I really don't want to tie a bunch of money/years to Daniel Jones to not be good enough. Even if it means a down year, those guys in NY aren't on any kind of hot seat anytime soon, and that puts them in position to go big in 2024 for a QB prospect.

[WrigleyField 22]

I agree raw. Something like Brisset and maybe like Hendon Hooker in Rd 2 (which wouldn't preclude a bigger swing in 2024 if there opportunity)

 

At least let Jones hit FA. I'm not sure who would really break the bank on him? Like he's somewhat interesting, but probably not a plug in system QB for a lot of teams based on what NYG looked like using him. In a "successful" season.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Jones would be playing in the USFL in very short order if he hits FA demanding $45 mil

[PackLandVA]

 

One step closer! Cooome ooooon, Jets

 

Is he worth 5/$250 million and two 1st Round picks? Seems to be injury prone the last few years. And with the running he does, I only seem him getting injured more often.

[Tim]

 

One step closer! Cooome ooooon, Jets

 

Is he worth 5/$250 million and two 1st Round picks? Seems to be injury prone the last few years. And with the running he does, I only seem him getting injured more often.

You're just hoping the Jets bail out GB from the Rodgers end of career mushroomstravaganza with a flood of picks and other assets

[PackLandVA]

 

One step closer! Cooome ooooon, Jets

 

Is he worth 5/$250 million and two 1st Round picks? Seems to be injury prone the last few years. And with the running he does, I only seem him getting injured more often.

You're just hoping the Jets bail out GB from the Rodgers end of career mushroomstravaganza with a flood of picks and other assets

 

I would welcome another year of AR starting for the Packers. Will relish every game until he’s done playing for them. If he’s traded or retires, so be it. And as a fan, I’ll move on to rooting forJordan Love.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Is he worth 5/$250 million and two 1st Round picks? Seems to be injury prone the last few years. And with the running he does, I only seem him getting injured more often.

You're just hoping the Jets bail out GB from the Rodgers end of career mushroomstravaganza with a flood of picks and other assets

 

I would welcome another year of AR starting for the Packers. Will relish every game until he’s done playing for them. If he’s traded or retires, so be it. And as a fan, I’ll move on to rooting forJordan Love.

Sure, but the Packers will suck and the rest of us will be happy because of that

 

It's one of the few things about the future I am genuinely excited that I'll get to witness

[soccer10k]

 

One step closer! Cooome ooooon, Jets

 

Is he worth 5/$250 million and two 1st Round picks? Seems to be injury prone the last few years. And with the running he does, I only seem him getting injured more often.

 

Derek Carr got $100M guaranteed and Daniel Jones just got $82M guaranteed. As Tom said, Lamar is a former MVP. He threw 36 TD passes in a season that year while Daniel Jones threw 36 TD passes the last 3 years combined. Even the last two years he threw 16 and 17 TDs, each of which would be the second best Jones has ever done. Could Lamar be injury prone and never live up to the contract? Sure. But sometimes you need to take the risk. He's 26 and his ceiling is a top-5 QB. These guys don't become available every year so you need to do what you can do to get one. I'd much rather my team take a big chance on Lamar than spinning the QB roulette wheel in the draft every couple years and drafting Zach Wilson, Sam Darnold and Christian Hackenberg (2nd rounder).

[PackLandVA]

I agree he’s a helluva talent. And by the comparing numbers, he’s certainly worth a lot in general financial terms.I just don’t know that if I were the Jets or a fan of the Jets, I’d be willing to take on that contract for a guy with his style of play and recent injury history. And for the record, while I think Rodgers would probably make the Jets significantly better/more stable on offense, I don’t believe he is their answer either.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

One step closer! Cooome ooooon, Jets

 

Is he worth 5/$250 million and two 1st Round picks? Seems to be injury prone the last few years. And with the running he does, I only seem him getting injured more often.

You're just hoping the Jets bail out GB from the Rodgers end of career mushroomstravaganza with a flood of picks and other assets

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree he’s a helluva talent. And by the comparing numbers, he’s certainly worth a lot in general financial terms.I just don’t know that if I were the Jets or a fan of the Jets, I’d be willing to take on that contract for a guy with his style of play and recent injury history.

This is absolute nonsense thinking from a fan perspective.

The fan has nothing but upside in this scenario. If he doesn’t live up to the contract the owner eats it and you start looking for a qb again, something you’ve already been desperately doing for decades.

[squally1313]

I agree he’s a helluva talent. And by the comparing numbers, he’s certainly worth a lot in general financial terms.I just don’t know that if I were the Jets or a fan of the Jets, I’d be willing to take on that contract for a guy with his style of play and recent injury history.

This is absolute nonsense thinking from a fan perspective.

The fan has nothing but upside in this scenario. If he doesn’t live up to the contract the owner eats it and you start looking for a qb again, something you’ve already been desperately doing for decades.

90% agreed, besides that the part of 'if he doesn't live up to the contract...and you start looking for a qb again', that search gets a lot harder when you don't have those (assumedly good) first round picks to pick a new qb.