Bears Week 8 @ Cowboys, Sunday 10/30 1pm

[UMFan83]

 

Obviously teams will adapt so hopefully Getsy has got ideas not reliant on stealing from the Ravens run game.

 

If you build an offense to Fields's strengths, the question is will they be able to stop it even with adjustments? Like you can build a great game plan to stop prime Tom Brady but he's still going to beat you because he knows what his strengths are and plays to them perfectly. Guys like Lamar and Hurts have been running offenses that frequently use a variety of QB runs to a lot of success. Watching that O'Sullivan video last night, what stood out to me was him pointing out areas where Fields is uber-elite while running. For example, the implication was that a lesser running QB would not have scored on that 3 yard QB misdirection TD. But the fact that Fields was able to find the hole, cut and go upfield without losing much if any speed is an elite trait and is what allowed him to score. Lamar and Hurts are better passers (but not by a ton in Lamar's case) so maybe they are better equipped when teams take away the run.

 

I could be way off base here. There are teams (like Dallas probably) that can limit this part of the game and rely on their elite secondary to cover up any gaps in the pass game but I'm not sure they will be able to completely eliminate it.

[WrigleyField 22]

Bears 0.5 games out of a playoff spot.

 

I know the most likely scenario is they fizzle out to 5-12 or something like that, but there's a lot of dogpoop in the NFC and sometimes you get to be the luckiest dog poop and a bunch of close games go your way. The 7th seed in the NFC is going to a bad team.

What's going to play a huge factor I think is how teams respond to this new offensive play mix.

 

Through six games, teams basically conceded the RB run game and the Bears couldn't really make them pay in the air.

 

If teams are still conceding the RB run game, are they also just going to concede 80 yards on the QB run game too? While it's not necessarily my favorite long term play for Fields development, it could lead to short term results.

 

So if Cowboys adjust to the RB and/or QB run game, does it finally open up the receiving game enough?

 

Right now the intermediate passing game of the Bears is good enough I don't think teams can ignore it. If they somehow design their scheme to basically concede the short passing game though, can they also combat a combined the QB/RB run game package? Or can the Bears be at a position that teams are gonna give them something that they just need to be patient and take over and over.

 

Obviously teams will adapt so hopefully Getsy has got ideas not reliant on stealing from the Ravens run game.

 

 

I would also like to see how well the game plan works in games where you don't get a +3 turnover ratio and recover all 6 fumbles. That's not gonna happen every time.

Well 6 fumbles is a lot. I kind of expect them to get a higher than average amount of fumbles with Fields having to do some much escaping and improvising, but not 6 either.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Obviously teams will adapt so hopefully Getsy has got ideas not reliant on stealing from the Ravens run game.

 

If you build an offense to Fields's strengths, the question is will they be able to stop it even with adjustments? Like you can build a great game plan to stop prime Tom Brady but he's still going to beat you because he knows what his strengths are and plays to them perfectly. Guys like Lamar and Hurts have been running offenses that frequently use a variety of QB runs to a lot of success. Watching that O'Sullivan video last night, what stood out to me was him pointing out areas where Fields is uber-elite while running. For example, the implication was that a lesser running QB would not have scored on that 3 yard QB misdirection TD. But the fact that Fields was able to find the hole, cut and go upfield without losing much if any speed is an elite trait and is what allowed him to score. Lamar and Hurts are better passers (but not by a ton in Lamar's case) so maybe they are better equipped when teams take away the run.

 

I could be way off base here. There are teams (like Dallas probably) that can limit this part of the game and rely on their elite secondary to cover up any gaps in the pass game but I'm not sure they will be able to completely eliminate it.

For sure his athleticism and innate ability are just gonna win often. But to the extent scheme is unlocking a more productive tier on that run game, it doesn't seem ideal if you're ripping a gameplan from elsewhere rather than having a deeper concept of why it works.

 

Maybe the more they steal the better they understand it and incorporate into their natural package, but the element of surprise must have had some impact on a team not prepared for what they were seeing.

[UMFan83]

 

Obviously teams will adapt so hopefully Getsy has got ideas not reliant on stealing from the Ravens run game.

 

If you build an offense to Fields's strengths, the question is will they be able to stop it even with adjustments? Like you can build a great game plan to stop prime Tom Brady but he's still going to beat you because he knows what his strengths are and plays to them perfectly. Guys like Lamar and Hurts have been running offenses that frequently use a variety of QB runs to a lot of success. Watching that O'Sullivan video last night, what stood out to me was him pointing out areas where Fields is uber-elite while running. For example, the implication was that a lesser running QB would not have scored on that 3 yard QB misdirection TD. But the fact that Fields was able to find the hole, cut and go upfield without losing much if any speed is an elite trait and is what allowed him to score. Lamar and Hurts are better passers (but not by a ton in Lamar's case) so maybe they are better equipped when teams take away the run.

 

I could be way off base here. There are teams (like Dallas probably) that can limit this part of the game and rely on their elite secondary to cover up any gaps in the pass game but I'm not sure they will be able to completely eliminate it.

For sure his athleticism and innate ability are just gonna win often. But to the extent scheme is unlocking a more productive tier on that run game, it doesn't seem ideal if you're ripping a gameplan from elsewhere rather than having a deeper concept of why it works.

 

Maybe the more they steal the better they understand it and incorporate into their natural package, but the element of surprise must have had some impact on a team not prepared for what they were seeing.

 

I didn't think much about the ripping from the Ravens angle, maybe I should. I saw it as more the Bears recognizing that a Fields run heavy offense was the best way to find consistent success, and the mini-bye was the perfect time to implement, and the patriots the perfect opponent to kick it off against. We'll see what happens next week. It would be so Bears to get everyone excited on MNF and then come out Sunday and watching fields take the snap under center 80% of the time and no designed runs.

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

If you build an offense to Fields's strengths, the question is will they be able to stop it even with adjustments? Like you can build a great game plan to stop prime Tom Brady but he's still going to beat you because he knows what his strengths are and plays to them perfectly. Guys like Lamar and Hurts have been running offenses that frequently use a variety of QB runs to a lot of success. Watching that O'Sullivan video last night, what stood out to me was him pointing out areas where Fields is uber-elite while running. For example, the implication was that a lesser running QB would not have scored on that 3 yard QB misdirection TD. But the fact that Fields was able to find the hole, cut and go upfield without losing much if any speed is an elite trait and is what allowed him to score. Lamar and Hurts are better passers (but not by a ton in Lamar's case) so maybe they are better equipped when teams take away the run.

 

I could be way off base here. There are teams (like Dallas probably) that can limit this part of the game and rely on their elite secondary to cover up any gaps in the pass game but I'm not sure they will be able to completely eliminate it.

For sure his athleticism and innate ability are just gonna win often. But to the extent scheme is unlocking a more productive tier on that run game, it doesn't seem ideal if you're ripping a gameplan from elsewhere rather than having a deeper concept of why it works.

 

Maybe the more they steal the better they understand it and incorporate into their natural package, but the element of surprise must have had some impact on a team not prepared for what they were seeing.

 

I didn't think much about the ripping from the Ravens angle, maybe I should. I saw it as more the Bears recognizing that a Fields run heavy offense was the best way to find consistent success, and the mini-bye was the perfect time to implement, and the patriots the perfect opponent to kick it off against. We'll see what happens next week. It would be so Bears to get everyone excited on MNF and then come out Sunday and watching fields take the snap under center 80% of the time and no designed runs.

 

 

eh, it would be so Bears for them to come out in the first half with designed runs and change back to their same-old offense at half time. Or after the scripted plays. But after a whole game of the new way, and having success with it the ENTIRE game, can you really see them regressing this week? I cant...this isn't Nagy Part 2....I hope

[jersey cubs fan]

[UMFan83]

 

About that imminent playoff run....Cant wait to see what we got

 

Edit: Ok a 4th....about what I was expecting

 

[UMFan83]

[Old Style]

I read that we are picking up most of his salary too. I’m not thrilled with the return.

[jersey cubs fan]

Any 26 year old returners expected to be available in the 4th round?

[raw]

I'll take it. May be the last pick of the 4th at this point, but I honestly was expecting a 5th and change. And even that was a whole lot better than letting him walk after the season for nothing in return.

[raw]

I read that we are picking up most of his salary too. I’m not thrilled with the return.

 

IDK why that matters. They were picking up ALL the salary if they kept him on the team, plus carrying whatever dead cap next year when they inevitably cut him after this season. A 4th is perfectly fine.

[BigSlick]

Football is so wild that last years leading pass rusher nets you a 4th rounder, but that also probably makes about sense.

 

Glad they got something for it, sad to see him go and how much it affects Roquan though

[Brian707]

Picking up draft capital is such a nice change of Pace compared to the last GM

[gflore34]

I like the trade as well, load up on the draft picks, a 4th isn't bad, maybe a tad low, was thinking a 3rd nevertheless, get as much draft capital as possible. With draft capital and a likely top 5 pick I could see Poles trading down to address OL, WR, DE and possibly TE with multiple high picks. Beyond a doubt there's going to be a massive influx of offense talent next offseason.

[raw]

I like the trade as well, load up on the draft picks, a 4th isn't bad, maybe a tad low, was thinking a 3rd nevertheless, get as much draft capital as possible. With draft capital and a likely top 5 pick I could see Poles trading down to address OL, WR, DE and possibly TE with multiple high picks. Beyond a doubt there's going to be a massive influx of offense talent next offseason.

 

Monday's win put top 5 on life support, IMO. They are probably going to have the best SOS of the bad teams, so they are going to have to finish a game worse than other teams to get into the top 5. IDK if no Quinn makes that much of a difference as far as making them worse. But they are probably going to finish with a better record than Detroit, Houston and Carolina for sure. Colts appear to be tanking, though they are a 1/2 game better than the Bears right now. Already beat NE, who's tied with the Bears. But it does seem likely that teams like the Raiders, Cardinals, 49ers, Browns and Saints finish with a better record.

 

Likely worse- Lions, Texans, Panthers

Likely better- Raiders, Cardinals, 49ers, Browns, Packers

Competition for top 5 spot- Steelers, Broncos, Colts, Patriots, Commanders, Jags, Saints (if Dalton gets a couple more games). The Bears are behind all of these teams in draft order already, except for Washington.

[UMFan83]

Football is so wild that last years leading pass rusher nets you a 4th rounder, but that also probably makes about sense.

 

Glad they got something for it, sad to see him go and how much it affects Roquan though

 

Yeah I mean if he was 28 and had a track record of consistent success he'd certainly get more. But he's 32, was a huge disappointment on 2020, had the amazing 2021 and has been somewhat of a disappointment this year. Obviously he's been a monster in the past too so I'm not saying 2021 was a fluke or whatever, but its fair to say he's inconsistent for whatever reason.

[raw]

I wonder if this extra pick (now gives them a full 7, and five top 140 picks), gives them some ammo/incentive to get involved in a trade for a long-term piece. I'm guessing the asking prices are too high right now for Jeudy and Claypool, but as it gets closer to Tuesday, those prices may come down. And if a bunch of teams are offering picks, the Bears pick will likely be higher than teams in competition with them.

 

I'd certainly be willing to part with a 2023 2nd and a 2024 4th for Jeudy, now that they have an extra 4th and Poles has shown the willingness to trade back.

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Picking up draft capital is such a nice change of Pace compared to the last GM

 

it's wordplay folks

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Good trade. They should now go flip another mid round pick for a young WR.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Bears currently in line to pick 14th

[We Got The Whole 9]

Too bad he bungled the comp picks so hard. Could have been really loaded with mid round picks/ammo.

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Too bad he bungled the comp picks so hard. Could have been really loaded with mid round picks/ammo.

Yep. Annoying to spend as little as they did and not design a comp strategy around ARob and Daniels departures.

 

Basically the entire FA prioritized familiarity with the coaching/FO staff. That's worth a 3/4th and 5th comp pick I guess.

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Too bad he bungled the comp picks so hard. Could have been really loaded with mid round picks/ammo.

Yep. Annoying to spend as little as they did and not design a comp strategy around ARob and Daniels departures.

 

Basically the entire FA prioritized familiarity with the coaching/FO staff. That's worth a 3/4th and 5th comp pick I guess.

 

Ah horsefeathers, I forgot all about that! Yeah kind of sucks. And they probably aren't getting a comp pick in 2024 either because they need to spend the 125M they have next year.

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They might get the very last comp pick as a net value loss pick, but the status of that pick is tenuous even.

 

So yea, pick any two of Pringle, Muhammad, Jones, Patrick, Morrow and that's the difference of maybe getting the Mr Irrelevant pick and a 3rd or 4th comp and maybe a 5th.

 

To be clear they should have just signed more better players and also not had a comp pick, but had a few more decent players.