Bears week 6: Commanders on Thursday night

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Why are you talking about lobs and high-points? I didn't say horsefeathers about lobbing or throwing the ball high. Just releasing the ball high. Think sidearm pitcher vs. an over the top delivery. You can throw fastballs for every arm angle. Just like you can throw a football accurately and with velocity from any arm angle. He went with the 3/4 delivery when it should have been over the top.

 

my point about not lobbing or high-pointing the throw is about the play design, I didn't say you were making that argument. He's got one throw he can make to Kmet safely, and he likely threw it from an arm slot that felt the most comfortable to him. He didnt side arm it as you suggest in your baseball analogy, the release point is at the top of his helmet - farther up then 3/4.

 

But theres also the issue of the play call. Getsy has to understand the players he has. He has to understand that his o-lineman are terrible pass blockers up the middle and either wiff or become statues far too often. He also has to understand that Justin Fields inst Peyton Manning and isnt going to stand as tall as he possibly can in the pocket while throwing directly over the top of 6'-5" guys. Why call a play that requires JF to do something he just doesn't seem to be geared up or built to do?

 

You can't design every damn play outside of the pocket. Have you seen how teams are defending him? They are keeping the backside DE from rushing and strictly in contain. Hell, it happened last night that they called a playaction roll out and he couldn't even get the ball to Kmet at the line of scrimmage.

 

He has to throw the ball from the pocket to be an NFL QB. If he isn't comfortable releasing the ball at DL helmets then he might as well quit football right now. The fact that it doesn't happen on every play, leads me to believe he's fine releasing the ball correctly, just didn't on this play. And that's his fault, not Getsy's. Not the DL for being too tall. Kyler horsefeathering Murray throws the ball over linemen or he finds a lane. Fields can do it too, and does most of the time. He didn't this time. And it was bad.

 

Kyle Murray is an odd example considering he's been ... not great... this year behind a bad oline. But honestly, I think JF is doing just fine in the NFL if your take is he should feel comfortable throwing behind a rapidly dissolving interior O-line. He's got lots of experience doing that this year! and so far, just 1 helmet hit!

[Soul]

Imagine what will happen if JF gets protection. He won't know what to do with all that time.

[UMFan83]

Imagine what will happen if JF gets protection. He won't know what to do with all that time.

 

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds.

[WrigleyField 22]

Imagine what will happen if JF gets protection. He won't know what to do with all that time.

 

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds.

Yea but his average air yards will be like 60 per attempt.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Imagine what will happen if JF gets protection. He won't know what to do with all that time.

 

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds.

it might take 5.5 seconds for this group of WR's to get open!

[BigSlick]

Imagine what will happen if JF gets protection. He won't know what to do with all that time.

 

His average time to throw will be 5.5 seconds instead of 3.5 seconds.

He generally looks pretty good when he has protection

 

I'm not jumping on this bandwagon

[WrigleyField 22]

Re pressure and no pressure.

 

Rather than passer rating, here is a chart with EPA rather than passer rating (which excludes sacks)

 

Fields looks pretty middle pack for both. Totally acceptable for a year 2 QB in a broke ass offense. Everyone is worse under pressure (largely to the same degree) , but when the relative instance of pressure increases, it's uh, not good for results.

[UMFan83]

 

[UMFan83]

actually here’s all the PFF grades

 

[JeffH]

It may not be good if an offensive lineman can play only when a rushing play is called. The defense may be able to detect the play call by whether the OL is in or not.

 

#Mustiphermustgo

[CubinNY]

Imagine what will happen if JF gets protection. He won't know what to do with all that time.

Hold the ball longer. It will be like 3 on 3 from the back yard.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yea there really isn't a good justification for any of those takes, other than perhaps being a traumatized Bears fan.

 

Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then

 

I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd.

 

I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

Weird how I said that exactly what has happened would happen then

 

I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd.

 

I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense.

Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle.

[Soul]

The bright side: enjoy your Sunday.

[WrigleyField 22]

The bright side: enjoy your Sunday.

No one remind my wife that I'm available to do house projects.

 

The bad part is this isn't like the latter Cutler years where I could just watch the first half and figure out if it was good Jay or bad Jay and then tune out and go rake if it was a bad Jay day. With Fields I'm invested in the process, good or bad, and will be back at it every Sunday unless he's hurt.

[minnesotacubsfan]

The bright side: enjoy your Sunday.

Yup, I'm going crabbin', dungeness

[Hairyducked Idiot]

 

I dont think the book is written on Gordan and Brisker yet, so you cant say they were busts, even as often as I could get frustrated with Gordan myself. I do share your frustration on not drafting a WR in the 2nd.

 

I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense.

Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle.

 

Not all needs are equally important

[UMFan83]

The bright side: enjoy your Sunday.

No one remind my wife that I'm available to do house projects.

 

The bad part is this isn't like the latter Cutler years where I could just watch the first half and figure out if it was good Jay or bad Jay and then tune out and go rake if it was a bad Jay day. With Fields I'm invested in the process, good or bad, and will be back at it every Sunday unless he's hurt.

 

If anything you can get stuff done in the first half and start watching in the 2nd half per the Fields splits I posted yesterday

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I don't think they're busts. I just don't care if they're good, we needed offense.

Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle.

 

Not all needs are equally important

You still need to judge talent equally. In our division, if you don't have a strong secondary you will get eaten alive by both GB and MN. It wasn't stupid to draft DB-DB, but to not find adequate prospects for the WR position has been a miss. I'm holding out hope for Harry, but he might still become Kevin White

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Its year 1 rebuild, they needed a lot of things Kyle.

 

Not all needs are equally important

You still need to judge talent equally. In our division, if you don't have a strong secondary you will get eaten alive by both GB and MN. It wasn't stupid to draft DB-DB, but to not find adequate prospects for the WR position has been a miss. I'm holding out hope for Harry, but he might still become Kevin White

 

We get eaten alive by GB when we have a strong secondary too.

 

 

Let's be the team that the rest of the division needs a strong secondary against for once

[WrigleyField 22]

So yea, it's just your traumatized Bears Fandom speaking.

 

Yes they need an O. No, going DB-DB in the first draft (no 1st rounder) isn't necessarily some precursor that Poles won't try to build an O.

 

If he's picking Guards top 20 or RBs 1st round we can definitely talk.

 

When they have a top 5 pick in 2023, he's allowed to draft:

 

Pass rusher (DT only if super duper elite), WR, CB, or OT.

 

In rounds 2-7, it's mostly a value prop (with the exception of certain things like FB)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So yea, it's just your traumatized Bears Fandom speaking.

 

Yes they need an O. No, going DB-DB in the first draft (no 1st rounder) isn't necessarily some precursor that Poles won't try to build an O.

 

If he's picking Guards top 20 or RBs 1st round we can definitely talk.

 

When they have a top 5 pick in 2023, he's allowed to draft:

 

Pass rusher (DT only if super duper elite), WR, CB, or OT.

 

In rounds 2-7, it's mostly a value prop (with the exception of certain things like FB)

 

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O.

 

You just don't want to see what's right in front of us.

[WrigleyField 22]

So yea, it's just your traumatized Bears Fandom speaking.

 

Yes they need an O. No, going DB-DB in the first draft (no 1st rounder) isn't necessarily some precursor that Poles won't try to build an O.

 

If he's picking Guards top 20 or RBs 1st round we can definitely talk.

 

When they have a top 5 pick in 2023, he's allowed to draft:

 

Pass rusher (DT only if super duper elite), WR, CB, or OT.

 

In rounds 2-7, it's mostly a value prop (with the exception of certain things like FB)

 

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O.

 

You just don't want to see what's right in front of us.

He was tanking.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So yea, it's just your traumatized Bears Fandom speaking.

 

Yes they need an O. No, going DB-DB in the first draft (no 1st rounder) isn't necessarily some precursor that Poles won't try to build an O.

 

If he's picking Guards top 20 or RBs 1st round we can definitely talk.

 

When they have a top 5 pick in 2023, he's allowed to draft:

 

Pass rusher (DT only if super duper elite), WR, CB, or OT.

 

In rounds 2-7, it's mostly a value prop (with the exception of certain things like FB)

 

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O.

 

You just don't want to see what's right in front of us.

He was tanking.

 

The monent you make your first draft pick, you're building your vision for what comes on the other side of the tank.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

We don't have to speculate whether or not he will try to build an O. He had an entire offseason and chose not to build an O.

 

You just don't want to see what's right in front of us.

He was tanking.

 

The monent you make your first draft pick, you're building your vision for what comes on the other side of the tank.

Your right he's not allowed to pick different positions from his first draft