Bears week 6: Commanders on Thursday night

[UMFan83]

It’s crazy when you think about it. All these things had to happen to lose the game:

 

-Throw an INT off a players helmet at the 5 yard line

-Stopped short at the 1 inch line on 4th down

-Muffed punt inside the Bears 10 yard line leading to the only Washington TD of the game

-dropped pass in the end zone on 3rd and goal from the 5

-stopped short at the 1 inch line on 4th down

 

If any of those 5 things go differently the Bears probably win

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It’s crazy when you think about it. All these things had to happen to lose the game:

 

-Throw an INT off a players helmet at the 5 yard line

-Stopped short at the 1 inch line on 4th down

-Muffed punt inside the Bears 10 yard line leading to the only Washington TD of the game

-dropped pass in the end zone on 3rd and goal from the 5

-stopped short at the 1 inch line on 4th down

 

If any of those 5 things go differently the Bears probably win

 

Yeah I thought the Bears were the better team tonight. But not by as much as an actually good team would have been against Washington.

[UMFan83]

 

His early draft results have been real bad... Even with Brisker.

 

I’m not surprised a bunch of 4-7 round picks have not been able to step in and immediately fill key holes on a bad roster. Almost no other team in NFL history would start a 5th round rookie at LT. What do you expect?

 

Gordon seems to have improved a bit since his disastrous first 2 games, you mentioned Brisker has been solid. Jones is a disaster but hasn’t proven or not proven he can be an NFL receiver yet as he’s missed so much time. I mean horsefeathers him for botching 2 critical punts that had a major effect in losses but he was drafted as a receiver too.

 

No one forced him to go DB-DB-KR with his first three picks when he knew full well what the offense needed.

 

The fact that he can't make the field as a receiver consistently on *this* roster is the most damning thing you could say about VJJ.

 

I’m not arguing for the picks he made. I’m talking about being disappointed at the performance of late round draft picks thrown into key roles out of necessity

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Forgot to mention Reiff and Schofield too. Pringle, etc. St. Brown, Pettis, etc

Letting Daniels go was horsefeathering stupid. You can't tell me he wouldn't be a better C than Mustipher. Daniels was drafted with the idea of possibly becoming a C

He's not even playing C now for a team with a similarly bad OL

I realize that but it just doesn't seem possible that he'd be a worse choice than SM. SM either completely whiffs on pass blocks or gets stood straight up on a bull rush, either way it causes catastrophic results

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Fields has hit that threshold twice in 15 career starts. Seems right in line

 

190 yards tonight. 2 for 16

[UMFan83]

 

Yikes. I mean I know some of the pressures are self inflicted but that’s terrible.

[UK]

 

I’m not surprised a bunch of 4-7 round picks have not been able to step in and immediately fill key holes on a bad roster. Almost no other team in NFL history would start a 5th round rookie at LT. What do you expect?

 

Gordon seems to have improved a bit since his disastrous first 2 games, you mentioned Brisker has been solid. Jones is a disaster but hasn’t proven or not proven he can be an NFL receiver yet as he’s missed so much time. I mean horsefeathers him for botching 2 critical punts that had a major effect in losses but he was drafted as a receiver too.

 

No one forced him to go DB-DB-KR with his first three picks when he knew full well what the offense needed.

 

The fact that he can't make the field as a receiver consistently on *this* roster is the most damning thing you could say about VJJ.

 

I’m not arguing for the picks he made. I’m talking about being disappointed at the performance of late round draft picks thrown into key roles out of necessity

 

I'm disappointed with the product on the field, regardless of experience.

 

I agree it says more that veterans like Patrick, Reiff and Schofield who were brought in to secure this line have been awful.

 

I get they want to get worse before better but doing so at the expense of Fields puts them back further compared to giving him some protection and weapons.

 

It's not a coincidence the current run of bad QBs runs parallel to the current run of shitty GMs and Poles is looking like another one.

 

The opportunity to improve this team is there, they have cap space.

 

OBJ

Daryl Williams

Quinton Spain

 

They would immediately improve this team and give Fields a chance.

 

It's not about the playoffs or anything like that but they're going to Tim Couch his career and for the next year or two, they need to see what they have. With this crap supporting cast, you'll still have no clue.

[Derwood]

Three trips inside the five and not a single roll out/bootleg called. Fields should have been able to walk into the end zone at least once. That’s just terrible play calling

[Soul]

That 4th and 1 limp dick run up the middle…. Holy effing horsefeathers Getsy.

[raw]

Letting Daniels go was horsefeathering stupid. You can't tell me he wouldn't be a better C than Mustipher. Daniels was drafted with the idea of possibly becoming a C

He's not even playing C now for a team with a similarly bad OL

I realize that but it just doesn't seem possible that he'd be a worse choice than SM. SM either completely whiffs on pass blocks or gets stood straight up on a bull rush, either way it causes catastrophic results

 

He wouldn't be a worse choice than Mustipher, but he also wouldn't be an actual choice. They have the guy they hand-picked (no pun) to be their C and they would be playing him over their best OL right now if Whitehair was healthy. Hell, Whitehair would be a better choice at C too, and he would never be an option to move back there either. They either really like Mustipher or are really overly concerned about continuity of a really bad group. Both of which are disturbing thoughts.

[raw]

That 4th and 1 limp dick run up the middle…. Holy effing horsefeathers Getsy.

 

Getsy is fine. You have one of the best run games in the league. Your OL should be able to get you 1/2 a yard.

 

Plus, it's weird to feel for Justin not having anything to work with and then blame Getsy, who is working with the same people (plus Justin).

[Sammy Sofa]

Effectively making Amazon have to pay for this game is the greatest thing the Bears have done in decades.

[raw]

 

No one forced him to go DB-DB-KR with his first three picks when he knew full well what the offense needed.

 

The fact that he can't make the field as a receiver consistently on *this* roster is the most damning thing you could say about VJJ.

 

I’m not arguing for the picks he made. I’m talking about being disappointed at the performance of late round draft picks thrown into key roles out of necessity

 

I'm disappointed with the product on the field, regardless of experience.

 

I agree it says more that veterans like Patrick, Reiff and Schofield who were brought in to secure this line have been awful.

 

I get they want to get worse before better but doing so at the expense of Fields puts them back further compared to giving him some protection and weapons.

 

It's not a coincidence the current run of bad QBs runs parallel to the current run of horsefeathers GMs and Poles is looking like another one.

 

The opportunity to improve this team is there, they have cap space.

 

OBJ

Daryl Williams

Quinton Spain

 

They would immediately improve this team and give Fields a chance.

 

It's not about the playoffs or anything like that but they're going to Tim Couch his career and for the next year or two, they need to see what they have. With this crap supporting cast, you'll still have no clue.

 

This is a sentiment that many people share. I went back and forth with a dude that wants Reiff in there now for Braxton Jones. And I think the disconnect is our goals as fans aren't the same as the goals of the front office. Fans want to build up Fields to be the next great QB in this league. Poles' goal isn't to build up Fields, it's to build up the 53-man roster. That's why you saw him taking what he thought were BPAs over pigeonholing picks to OL or WR in Round 2. That's probably a big reason why you have Jones, Jenkins and Borom starting on the OL.

 

Guys like Beckham, Williams, Spain, Reiff and Schofield don't really serve a purpose. They are all 1-year guys. Granted, Beckham could be more, but that simply isn't happening. He isn't going from SB ring to the worst team in the league even if he could potentially put up astronomical numbers as the only good player on the team. But there's really no reason for a rebuilding team to bring in a bunch of 1-year veterans to salvage what we already knew was going to be a lost season.

 

Poles is trying to develop 53 players, or at the least 22-35 long-term starters and contributors to the overall team. Bears fans are trying to develop 1 great QB. Granted, the best way to win games in the NFL is to develop 1 great QB.....but clearly Poles feels like he needs to build this thing from the ground-up, at every position at the same time. And if the QB he didn't pick doesn't survive it, so be it (his opinion).

[minnesotacubsfan]

That 4th and 1 limp dick run up the middle…. Holy effing horsefeathers Getsy.

 

Getsy is fine. You have one of the best run games in the league. Your OL should be able to get you 1/2 a yard.

 

Plus, it's weird to feel for Justin not having anything to work with and then blame Getsy, who is working with the same people (plus Justin).

It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

I’m not arguing for the picks he made. I’m talking about being disappointed at the performance of late round draft picks thrown into key roles out of necessity

 

I'm disappointed with the product on the field, regardless of experience.

 

I agree it says more that veterans like Patrick, Reiff and Schofield who were brought in to secure this line have been awful.

 

I get they want to get worse before better but doing so at the expense of Fields puts them back further compared to giving him some protection and weapons.

 

It's not a coincidence the current run of bad QBs runs parallel to the current run of horsefeathers GMs and Poles is looking like another one.

 

The opportunity to improve this team is there, they have cap space.

 

OBJ

Daryl Williams

Quinton Spain

 

They would immediately improve this team and give Fields a chance.

 

It's not about the playoffs or anything like that but they're going to Tim Couch his career and for the next year or two, they need to see what they have. With this crap supporting cast, you'll still have no clue.

 

This is a sentiment that many people share. I went back and forth with a dude that wants Reiff in there now for Braxton Jones. And I think the disconnect is our goals as fans aren't the same as the goals of the front office. Fans want to build up Fields to be the next great QB in this league. Poles' goal isn't to build up Fields, it's to build up the 53-man roster. That's why you saw him taking what he thought were BPAs over pigeonholing picks to OL or WR in Round 2. That's probably a big reason why you have Jones, Jenkins and Borom starting on the OL.

 

Guys like Beckham, Williams, Spain, Reiff and Schofield don't really serve a purpose. They are all 1-year guys. Granted, Beckham could be more, but that simply isn't happening. He isn't going from SB ring to the worst team in the league even if he could potentially put up astronomical numbers as the only good player on the team. But there's really no reason for a rebuilding team to bring in a bunch of 1-year veterans to salvage what we already knew was going to be a lost season.

 

Poles is trying to develop 53 players, or at the least 22-35 long-term starters and contributors to the overall team. Bears fans are trying to develop 1 great QB. Granted, the best way to win games in the NFL is to develop 1 great QB.....but clearly Poles feels like he needs to build this thing from the ground-up, at every position at the same time. And if the QB he didn't pick doesn't survive it, so be it (his opinion).

Can't wait to see the noodle armed oaf he drafts to replace Fields who sets the franchise back once again.

 

 

For the first time in a long time, I had a strange, overhanging feeling that I hadn't had since Wannstadt was coach. This org is a disgrace - they have no idea what they are doing or where they are going

[WrigleyField 22]

[CubinNY]

 

I’m not arguing for the picks he made. I’m talking about being disappointed at the performance of late round draft picks thrown into key roles out of necessity

 

I'm disappointed with the product on the field, regardless of experience.

 

I agree it says more that veterans like Patrick, Reiff and Schofield who were brought in to secure this line have been awful.

 

I get they want to get worse before better but doing so at the expense of Fields puts them back further compared to giving him some protection and weapons.

 

It's not a coincidence the current run of bad QBs runs parallel to the current run of horsefeathers GMs and Poles is looking like another one.

 

The opportunity to improve this team is there, they have cap space.

 

OBJ

Daryl Williams

Quinton Spain

 

They would immediately improve this team and give Fields a chance.

 

It's not about the playoffs or anything like that but they're going to Tim Couch his career and for the next year or two, they need to see what they have. With this crap supporting cast, you'll still have no clue.

 

This is a sentiment that many people share. I went back and forth with a dude that wants Reiff in there now for Braxton Jones. And I think the disconnect is our goals as fans aren't the same as the goals of the front office. Fans want to build up Fields to be the next great QB in this league. Poles' goal isn't to build up Fields, it's to build up the 53-man roster. That's why you saw him taking what he thought were BPAs over pigeonholing picks to OL or WR in Round 2. That's probably a big reason why you have Jones, Jenkins and Borom starting on the OL.

 

Guys like Beckham, Williams, Spain, Reiff and Schofield don't really serve a purpose. They are all 1-year guys. Granted, Beckham could be more, but that simply isn't happening. He isn't going from SB ring to the worst team in the league even if he could potentially put up astronomical numbers as the only good player on the team. But there's really no reason for a rebuilding team to bring in a bunch of 1-year veterans to salvage what we already knew was going to be a lost season.

 

Poles is trying to develop 53 players, or at the least 22-35 long-term starters and contributors to the overall team. Bears fans are trying to develop 1 great QB. Granted, the best way to win games in the NFL is to develop 1 great QB.....but clearly Poles feels like he needs to build this thing from the ground-up, at every position at the same time. And if the QB he didn't pick doesn't survive it, so be it (his opinion).

I agree. It will also be the reason he doesn't get a contract extension.

[raw]

That 4th and 1 limp dick run up the middle…. Holy effing horsefeathers Getsy.

 

Getsy is fine. You have one of the best run games in the league. Your OL should be able to get you 1/2 a yard.

 

Plus, it's weird to feel for Justin not having anything to work with and then blame Getsy, who is working with the same people (plus Justin).

It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it

 

People were bitching that the Bears ran too much in the redzone. Well, they got what they wanted and Getsy called pass plays it 8 of the last 10 redzone plays. Granted, the ones at the end had time constraints, but again I say....if Fields is working with a bad supporting cast, how can you fault Getsy who's working the same bad cast, plus what may be a bad QB?

[minnesotacubsfan]

 

Getsy is fine. You have one of the best run games in the league. Your OL should be able to get you 1/2 a yard.

 

Plus, it's weird to feel for Justin not having anything to work with and then blame Getsy, who is working with the same people (plus Justin).

It's stunning how this team falls flat on their face inside the 20. Little stupid mistakes by players and/or Getsy. To me, Getsy isn't "fine", he's just as much a rookie and looks overmatched because of it

 

People were bitching that the Bears ran too much in the redzone. Well, they got what they wanted and Getsy called pass plays it 8 of the last 10 redzone plays. Granted, the ones at the end had time constraints, but again I say....if Fields is working with a bad supporting cast, how can you fault Getsy who's working the same bad cast, plus what may be a bad QB?

 

Well, considering he's a bad OC, he fits the role well.

[BigSlick]

In the moment, I complain a lot about play calling. But on reflection, if you have absolutely horrific personnel, wide receivers who can't get open and who can't catch the ball, and, an admittedly erratic QB, you can only blame so much on the offensive play calling. They just can't execute anything consistently, except maybe run play (but not short yardage run plays when they desperately need to pick up 2 or fewer yards, hilariously!)

[gflore34]

Blaming Fields or, Getsy for that matter, most especially on the last attempt and for last night is incorrect. Twice Fields put the ball on the receiver' hands one of them should have been caught, granted, there was a blatant PI on the Pettis attempt nevertheless, it should have caught. What's Fields supposed to do? Catch the ball for the receivers as well? That goof-ball Smith-Marsette dropped an eminently catchable ball as well, it's not about these WR's getting open, it's about their inability to catch the horsefeathering ball. Guess maybe try Harry and Jones Jr in place of Pettis and Smith-Marsette, what's the worse they can do? Drop 10 out 10 catchable passes? That's pretty much what they're getting from Pettis and Smith-Marsette.

 

I also believe Fields is nearing his breaking point with these stone-handed clowns, said something to the extent of he's really getting tired of hearing we're so close, its coming.

Edited October 14, 2022 by gflore34

[WrigleyField 22]

Yea at this point I don't have much issue with Getsy, but it's also really hard to know with the talent level.

 

The JV roster as Tony Gonzalez called them, make these evaluations tough. The D I think they can evaluate fairly, but on O... You're doing a lot of projection based on grading on a curve because of the supporting case.

 

I just hope I'm right and this was just a purported tank and Poles isn't going to suffer from some "smartest guy in the room" syndrome. First year GM tanking isn't shocking though. Hope he doesn't flop on his top 10 pick (I'd say top 5, but the SOS probably in gonna bone the Bears cuz of course it would)

Edited October 14, 2022 by WrigleyField 22

[minnesotacubsfan]

Smith-Marsette is a dbl edged sword, he gets open so Fields is able to locate him and put the ball on his face mask but S-M can't catch. It's astonishing

[UMFan83]

Justin Fields by half this year:

 

1st half - 27-59 for 388 yards, 45.8 comp%, 6.6 Y/A, 0 TD, 3 INT, 15 sacks, 46.4 QB Rating

2nd half - 36-56 for 481 yards, 64.3 comp%, 8.6 Y/A, 4 TD, 2 INT, 8 sacks, 100.4 QB Rating

 

What is the reason for these slow starts? Poor game week planning? Needs time to get into the rhythm of the game? I feel like 6 games is enough time that these splits are becoming meaningful.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

In the moment, I complain a lot about play calling. But on reflection, if you have absolutely horrific personnel, wide receivers who can't get open and who can't catch the ball, and, an admittedly erratic QB, you can only blame so much on the offensive play calling. They just can't execute anything consistently, except maybe run play (but not short yardage run plays when they desperately need to pick up 2 or fewer yards, hilariously!)

 

Yeah. I don't tend to complain about play calling much. Bad QBs make coaches look like idiots and good ones make them look like geniuses.

 

Similar to in baseball how bullpen quality determines a lot in whether a manager looks smart or dumb