NFL Week 15

[WrigleyField 22]

Didn't even watch tye game last night, but enjoying the meatballs meltdown on Staleys agressive decision making.

 

The most interesting dynamic is the "smash em in the mouth" meatball fan not supporting agressive tactics.

[raw]

Didn't even watch tye game last night, but enjoying the meatballs meltdown on Staleys agressive decision making.

 

The most interesting dynamic is the "smash em in the mouth" meatball fan not supporting agressive tactics.

 

Ironically, the failure to be aggressive probably hurt their chances to win more than the opposite. 14-13 Chargers lead. Score a TD to go up 20-13, they kick the PAT instead of going for 2. That kept it a 1-score game, 21-13. If they go for 2 and get it, they're up 9 and the Chiefs have to score twice (which they did), but they'd also need two 2pt conversions once the Chargers scored again late. If they go for 2 and they fail, they're up 7 and the game is tied anyway as the Chiefs just kick PATs and don't have to go for 2 unless they are being super aggressive. So, there was really no difference between being up 7 or 8 points in the long run.

[WrigleyField 22]

Didn't even watch tye game last night, but enjoying the meatballs meltdown on Staleys agressive decision making.

 

The most interesting dynamic is the "smash em in the mouth" meatball fan not supporting agressive tactics.

 

Ironically, the failure to be aggressive probably hurt their chances to win more than the opposite. 14-13 Chargers lead. Score a TD to go up 20-13, they kick the PAT instead of going for 2. That kept it a 1-score game, 21-13. If they go for 2 and get it, they're up 9 and the Chiefs have to score twice (which they did), but they'd also need two 2pt conversions once the Chargers scored again late. If they go for 2 and they fail, they're up 7 and the game is tied anyway as the Chiefs just kick PATs and don't have to go for 2 unless they are being super aggressive. So, there was really no difference between being up 7 or 8 points in the long run.

Yea, the 2 pt analytic wave hasn't even really hit yet even though many coaches have gotten better on the 4th down analytics. Except for of course our own Matt Nagy.

[jersey cubs fan]

[WrigleyField 22]

Didn't even watch tye game last night, but enjoying the meatballs meltdown on Staleys agressive decision making.

 

The most interesting dynamic is the "smash em in the mouth" meatball fan not supporting agressive tactics.

 

Ironically, the failure to be aggressive probably hurt their chances to win more than the opposite. 14-13 Chargers lead. Score a TD to go up 20-13, they kick the PAT instead of going for 2. That kept it a 1-score game, 21-13. If they go for 2 and get it, they're up 9 and the Chiefs have to score twice (which they did), but they'd also need two 2pt conversions once the Chargers scored again late. If they go for 2 and they fail, they're up 7 and the game is tied anyway as the Chiefs just kick PATs and don't have to go for 2 unless they are being super aggressive. So, there was really no difference between being up 7 or 8 points in the long run.

Yea, the 2 pt analytic wave hasn't even really hit yet even though many coaches have gotten better on the 4th down analytics. Except for of course our own Matt Nagy.

Addendum to that. Actually I'm okay going up 8 in that situation. Still value in forcing the 2PTA and if you do go up 9 you just signal KC to go into hurry up. But it seems to be one of those close call situations from a model sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

[Cubswin11]

Didn't even watch tye game last night, but enjoying the meatballs meltdown on Staleys agressive decision making.

 

The most interesting dynamic is the "smash em in the mouth" meatball fan not supporting agressive tactics.

Going for it on 4th inside the 5 going in to halftime I felt was kinda stupid. Could’ve gone up 7, didn’t get the benefit of field position if you don’t get it and then can stop the Chiefs where you at least can get the ball back around the 50. The other 4th down attempts all seemed reasonable to me though.

[raw]

 

Ironically, the failure to be aggressive probably hurt their chances to win more than the opposite. 14-13 Chargers lead. Score a TD to go up 20-13, they kick the PAT instead of going for 2. That kept it a 1-score game, 21-13. If they go for 2 and get it, they're up 9 and the Chiefs have to score twice (which they did), but they'd also need two 2pt conversions once the Chargers scored again late. If they go for 2 and they fail, they're up 7 and the game is tied anyway as the Chiefs just kick PATs and don't have to go for 2 unless they are being super aggressive. So, there was really no difference between being up 7 or 8 points in the long run.

Yea, the 2 pt analytic wave hasn't even really hit yet even though many coaches have gotten better on the 4th down analytics. Except for of course our own Matt Nagy.

Addendum to that. Actually I'm okay going up 8 in that situation. Still value in forcing the 2PTA and if you do go up 9 you just signal KC to go into hurry up. But it seems to be one of those close call situations from a model sense.

 

Nah, I'd rather KC is in hurry up. Mahomes had been prone to mistakes the last few weeks and even earlier in that game. Also, I think you have to take into account how good each offense is, in general. You have a top 5 offense in LA, going against a top 5 offense. You "trust your defense" but you also give them any wiggle room you can get. You have to operate under the assumption that the Chiefs (a top 3 offense themselves) will be able to score. You also are in the 4th quarter, so you trust that either your offense can control the clock (with likely a 2pt lead if you go up 9) or they can score again if KC ties it.

 

The difference between 7 and 8 is KC has to make 1 more play. The difference between 7 and 9 is KC has to make 1 more DRIVE, with the clock on your side.

[raw]

Didn't even watch tye game last night, but enjoying the meatballs meltdown on Staleys agressive decision making.

 

The most interesting dynamic is the "smash em in the mouth" meatball fan not supporting agressive tactics.

Going for it on 4th inside the 5 going in to halftime I felt was kinda stupid. Could’ve gone up 7, didn’t get the benefit of field position if you don’t get it and then can stop the Chiefs where you at least can get the ball back around the 50. The other 4th down attempts all seemed reasonable to me though.

 

I disagree with this too. IDK if the Chargers were underdogs or not, but I know they were behind in the division. They needed this win in order to stay alive for a playoff home game. They should be throwing out all the stops and going for the W. I'd understand if they were getting the ball back after halftime and had 2 shots to score before the Chiefs touched the ball again, but I particularly loved this decision more than all the others, just because most teams would have just taken the 3 and been OK with it. Top 5 offense should be able to get 3 yards.

[Wilson A2000]

The Jaguars are trying not to pay Meyer what’s left on his contract. They are claiming Meyer was fired for cause.

[gflore34]

That was roughing the passer? horsefeathering GB did that to Justin Fields on almost every passing attempt, no call. The inconsistency of this horse horsefeathers called NFL officiating is mind boggling.

[Soul]

That was roughing the passer? horsefeathering GB did that to Justin Fields on almost every passing attempt, no call. The inconsistency of this horse horsefeathers called NFL officiating is mind boggling.

There’s clearly two sets of rules.

[Soul]

Heck, Huntley could start for several other teams and be a solid upgrade.

[gflore34]

Heck, Huntley could start for several other teams and be a solid upgrade.

 

I think you're correct at the very least, his having success against more than just the Bears.

[Derwood]

Lions over Cardinals, just like we all predicted

 

What a weird year

[Soul]

Gutsy call by Baltimore. Unfortunately didn’t work.

[Derwood]

Gutsy call by Baltimore. Unfortunately didn’t work.

 

Weird call. They just played their way back into a tie for first instead of giving themselves OT to stay a game up

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Gutsy call by Baltimore. Unfortunately didn’t work.

 

Weird call. They just played their way back into a tie for first instead of giving themselves OT to stay a game up

What?

[Derwood]

Gutsy call by Baltimore. Unfortunately didn’t work.

 

Weird call. They just played their way back into a tie for first instead of giving themselves OT to stay a game up

What?

 

The risk of missing the 2 pt conversion (instead of trying their luck in OT) was that by missing it, the Ravens fell to 8-6, which is a tie with the Bengals (who own the tie-breaker). Was going for 2 worth that risk?

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

 

Weird call. They just played their way back into a tie for first instead of giving themselves OT to stay a game up

What?

 

The risk of missing the 2 pt conversion (instead of trying their luck in OT) was that by missing it, the Ravens fell to 8-6, which is a tie with the Bengals (who own the tie-breaker). Was going for 2 worth that risk?

Are you saying they should not have gone for it because they could have tied?

[Derwood]

What?

 

The risk of missing the 2 pt conversion (instead of trying their luck in OT) was that by missing it, the Ravens fell to 8-6, which is a tie with the Bengals (who own the tie-breaker). Was going for 2 worth that risk?

Are you saying they should not have gone for it because they could have tied?

 

No, I'm saying that risking winning or losing on one play (rather than playing it out in OT) seemed like a bad gamble

[soccer10k]

 

The risk of missing the 2 pt conversion (instead of trying their luck in OT) was that by missing it, the Ravens fell to 8-6, which is a tie with the Bengals (who own the tie-breaker). Was going for 2 worth that risk?

Are you saying they should not have gone for it because they could have tied?

 

No, I'm saying that risking winning or losing on one play (rather than playing it out in OT) seemed like a bad gamble

 

And if you just kick the extra point, you’re giving Rodgers a free shot at a game winning drive with 40 seconds and a timeout.

 

And if you stop them then, you either

 

-lose the toss and have to stop Rodgers

-win the toss and need a touchdown again or kick a FG/don’t score and then have to stop Rodgers

 

The more chances you give Aaron Rodgers to beat you, the less likely you are to win. Harbaugh chose to go for 2 which if he gets, forces Rodgers to rush the ball down the field. Sure, you still might lose even if you convert, but you’re more likely to win that way.

[bukie]

If you aren't playing for the tie, the better move would have been to go for 2 when down 8. Then if you miss the conversion you still have a chance at the end. If you get the conversion you know where you stand for the last score.

[NOLA]

It’s too bad this Saints defense can’t be paired with a decent offense.

[Derwood]

The Ravens' playoff odds dropped from 78% to 50%, and their odds to win the division dropped to 28%

 

Worth it?