Kimbrel traded to the White Sox

[Derwood]

Madrigal a heck of a player but he and Nico are the same profile (contact over power, solid defense). It's not a bad return but it is confusing.

 

No one on this team could hit, so maybe Jed is going for average over power? Who knows

[squally1313]

Remember when we had too many shortstops who hit dongs? Can I interest you in too many second basemen that slap oppo singles?

[David]

FWIW, Madrigal was playing at a 4+ win pace through 1/3 of this season.

[sneakypower]

Somebody tell me what to think because I don't know.

well, how well did you enjoy the Tommy La Stella experience

[sneakypower]

FWIW, Madrigal was playing at a 4+ win pace through 1/3 of this season.

on the strength of smoke & mirrors offensive output, considering his .287 expected wOBA

[David]

FWIW, Madrigal was playing at a 4+ win pace through 1/3 of this season.

on the strength of smoke & mirrors offensive output, considering his .287 expected wOBA

 

yep. (hence the fwiw)

[toonsterwu]

So after a few years of "we need contact to stop being so one-dimensional" and " we could use a better top of the order option", it looks like the Cubs are trying to corner the market on those types of players as best as possible? I'm joking, obviously. Elite power, middle of the order prospects tend not to be moved unless it's a monster deal, and I get that.

 

I get the value, but I don't love this deal. Same goes for the Mets trade, but PCA might have some more pop in him.

[17 Seconds]

i don't mind this at all

[Bertz]

Madrigal was #42 on Fangraphs' Trade Value series like a week ago

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

With an intact hamstring, Madrigal would certainly be a bit higher on this list, though not significantly so — in terms of ability, he is what he is, and while what he is is good, he’s not a superstar, and there are few paths to that level for a player with his profile. On pace for a four-win campaign before the season-ending injury, Madrigal’s skillset, which revolves around extreme contact ability, should provide tremendous year-to-year stability, and barring an unexpected deal, he should be a fixture on West 35th Street through 2026.

 

While his defense has been less superlative than expected, this is still a 23-year-old player with just a half season under his belt and all of the tools for him to be a solid, and maybe even plus, defender at second base. He will be among the best bets in baseball to hit .300-plus every year, and even if it’s a bit of an empty-average profile with an OPS ceiling in the .800 range, the assuredness of Madrigal’s value provides tremendous comfort in terms of roster construction.

 

He also projects north of 2 WAR each of the next five years. I'm very okay getting immediate safe value to contrast all the teenagers with limitless potential we're getting in other deals.

[squally1313]

Madrigal was #42 on Fangraphs' Trade Value series like a week ago

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-trade-value-41-to-50/

 

With an intact hamstring, Madrigal would certainly be a bit higher on this list, though not significantly so — in terms of ability, he is what he is, and while what he is is good, he’s not a superstar, and there are few paths to that level for a player with his profile. On pace for a four-win campaign before the season-ending injury, Madrigal’s skillset, which revolves around extreme contact ability, should provide tremendous year-to-year stability, and barring an unexpected deal, he should be a fixture on West 35th Street through 2026.

 

While his defense has been less superlative than expected, this is still a 23-year-old player with just a half season under his belt and all of the tools for him to be a solid, and maybe even plus, defender at second base. He will be among the best bets in baseball to hit .300-plus every year, and even if it’s a bit of an empty-average profile with an OPS ceiling in the .800 range, the assuredness of Madrigal’s value provides tremendous comfort in terms of roster construction.

 

He also projects north of 2 WAR each of the next five years. I'm very okay getting immediate safe value to contrast all the teenagers with limitless potential we're getting in other deals.

 

Unfortunately he was hurt his senior year of college, missed half the 'season' last year, and is out for the rest of this year. Going to be interesting having his profile of Theriot 2.0 (ie dumb fan favorite) mixed in with the KB-esque trait of always being banged up.

[David]

[17 Seconds]

imagine being told before the season that we'd get a chance to turn kimbrel into madrigal and heuer

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Aren't Madrigal and Hoerner the same thing?

Does Madrigal also get hurt twice a month?

[BigSlick]

I’m kind of shocked how little Kimbrel netted us. Perhaps the best reliever in baseball with an option year with a lot of suitors. What the heck?

[David]

Aren't Madrigal and Hoerner the same thing?

Does Madrigal also get hurt twice a month?

 

yes

[NOLA]

My favorite thing about Madrigal is he wants to dominate every single time. Really fun player to watch and at least IMO has an edge that would be nice to see from this loser org

An edge would have looked good with Castellanos too.

[17 Seconds]

I’m kind of shocked how little Kimbrel netted us. Perhaps the best reliever in baseball with an option year with a lot of suitors. What the heck?

 

i dont really get this take tbh. the kb trade is the one to be mad about.

Edited July 30, 2021 by 17 Seconds

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Remember when we had too many shortstops who hit dongs? Can I interest you in too many second basemen that slap oppo singles?

 

No, you cannot.

[Guancous]

All worth it for Madrigal's inevitable (failed) run at .400.

[Tim]

imagine being told before the season that we'd get a chance to turn kimbrel into madrigal and heuer

Before the season it would have actually been much more exciting.

[17 Seconds]

imagine being told before the season that we'd get a chance to turn kimbrel into madrigal and heuer

Before the season it would have actually been much more exciting.

 

the point is that it was unrealistic

[Cubswin11]

Madrigal horsefeathering sucks and this trade sucks. His batting average is all empty calories and he needs to make contact and BABIP at crazy levels to be worth anything. And he blew his hamstring out already and is done for the year, which certainly should be good for a slappy/defense first type.

[Tim]

Madrigal horsefeathering sucks and this trade sucks. His batting average is all empty calories and he needs to make contact and BABIP at crazy levels to be worth anything. And he blew his hamstring out already and is done for the year, which certainly should be good for a slappy/defense first type.

4 WAR pace with only a .324 babip this year.

[17 Seconds]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/nick-madrigal-is-good-can-he-be-great/

[Cubswin11]

Madrigal horsefeathering sucks and this trade sucks. His batting average is all empty calories and he needs to make contact and BABIP at crazy levels to be worth anything. And he blew his hamstring out already and is done for the year, which certainly should be good for a slappy/defense first type.

4 WAR pace with only a .324 babip this year.

And last year with a .360 BABIP he was playing at like a .6 win pace. Hope I’m wrong, but just don’t see much upside here and think it wasn’t the proper use of Kimbrel as an asset to get a guy like this.

 

The contact/batted ball profile seems pretty bad and he’s not too fast. I just don’t see how he sustains being like a .310+ hitter. And even if he regresses to like a .270 hitter there is little value.

Edited July 31, 2021 by Cubswin11