Are we getting Black Monday II? No, but we got a Black QB!!!

[UMFan83]

Anybody aware of the timeline of previous Bears blood lettings in the offseason? From Fox, to Emery/Trestman, Angelo, Lovie, Jauron. For some reason I'm thinking they are rarely "day after season announcements" but is that true? I'm pretty sure Lovie was a Black Monday situation and in my opinion he's the closest to what firing these guys would be - competent with relative success but not good enough being the justification.

 

lovie was fired on new year's eve 2012-13, which was a monday.

 

The season before, Jerry Angelo was fired on a Tuesday after the season, but Monday was New Year's Day so that may be why

[gflore34]

Putting my beliefs about ownership aside, wouldn't you think the approach has to be build an overwhelming or super good offense with an average defense? With all the built in advantages an offense has in today' NFL, the great defense, TOP offense has little chance of succeeding. Sure the Ram defense has been fantastic and, I despise the Packers, however, is there any doubt the Rams will lose by double digits next week? They've got about as much a chance as the Bears had yesterday. It's got to be offense, offense, offense, starting with the OL, thinking the Bears should go OL in the first round.

[WrigleyField 22]

Putting my beliefs about ownership aside, wouldn't you think the approach has to be build an overwhelming or super good offense with an average defense? With all the built in advantages an offense has in today' NFL, the great defense, TOP offense has little chance of succeeding. Sure the Ram defense has been fantastic and, I despise the Packers, however, is there any doubt the Rams will lose by double digits next week? They've got about as much a chance as the Bears had yesterday. It's got to be offense, offense, offense, starting with the OL, thinking the Bears should go OL in the first round.

Option 1. Luck into a superstar QB, never let him go, and build a well rounded team every year.

Option 2. Cycle through rookie scale QBs and alternate recurring cycles of elite Ds with strong offense supporting casts with the occasional blow up/reset offseason.

 

So basically pursue option 2, but it you get supremely lucky, divert plans to option 1.

[gflore34]

Putting my beliefs about ownership aside, wouldn't you think the approach has to be build an overwhelming or super good offense with an average defense? With all the built in advantages an offense has in today' NFL, the great defense, TOP offense has little chance of succeeding. Sure the Ram defense has been fantastic and, I despise the Packers, however, is there any doubt the Rams will lose by double digits next week? They've got about as much a chance as the Bears had yesterday. It's got to be offense, offense, offense, starting with the OL, thinking the Bears should go OL in the first round.

Option 1. Luck into a superstar QB, never let him go, and build a well rounded team every year.

Option 2. Cycle through rookie scale QBs and alternate recurring cycles of elite Ds with strong offense supporting casts with the occasional blow up/reset offseason.

 

So basically pursue option 2, but it you get supremely lucky, divert plans to option 1.

 

Given have Bears never lucked into a superstar QB, makes it feel as if it's nearly impossible for them, I know the overall chances of lucking into that QB are slim. Just seems especially improbable when considering the Bears and, of course, the Packers will just pull another franchise QB out their asses once Rodgers retires. Be it Love or whatever, other QB they draft in the twenties, Love was 26th.

[raw]

Putting my beliefs about ownership aside, wouldn't you think the approach has to be build an overwhelming or super good offense with an average defense? .

 

I don't like this line of thinking. The goal shouldn't be average anywhere. People have suggested getting rid of Fuller and Hicks, trading whoever you can on D to built the offense, but that's not how you build a team. If you have good players, keep them. Offense, defense, special teams. If you have to build the Rams, build the Rams rather than chasing a pipe dream of mirroring KCs talent.

 

Obviously if the choice is a potentially great edge rusher vs a potentially great QB, you go with offense but you can't ignore the defense or you end up with Trestman's Bears.

 

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[gflore34]

Putting my beliefs about ownership aside, wouldn't you think the approach has to be build an overwhelming or super good offense with an average defense? .

 

I don't like this line of thinking. The goal shouldn't be average anywhere. People have suggested getting rid of Fuller and Hicks, trading whoever you can on D to built the offense, but that's not how you build a team. If you have good players, keep them. Offense, defense, special teams. If you have to build the Rams, build the Rams rather than chasing a pipe dream of mirroring KCs talent.

 

Obviously if the choice is a potentially great edge rusher vs a potentially great QB, you go with offense but you can't ignore the defense or you end up with Trestman's Bears.

 

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Yeah, there's no fool proof plan, just don't think teams like the Rams and Bears have had much of a chance this year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don’t care what is optimal. I am intensely bored with defense. I actively hope our defense sucks and we have to win every game 45-38

[gflore34]

I don’t care what is optimal. I am intensely bored with defense. I actively hope our defense sucks and we have to win every game 45-38

 

Hell, I'd even take an offense that could overcome a negative play, so tried of knowing a false start means a punt in four plays. Over the last few years the Bears must be last or next to last in teams being able to overcome a negative play to get a first down, its uncanny and pathetic.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don’t care what is optimal. I am intensely bored with defense. I actively hope our defense sucks and we have to win every game 45-38

Marc Trestman. Lure Cutler out of retirement. Lfg.

[jersey cubs fan]

Given have Bears never lucked into a superstar QB, makes it feel as if it's nearly impossible for them, I know the overall chances of lucking into that QB are slim. Just seems especially improbable when considering the Bears and, of course, the Packers will just pull another franchise QB out their asses once Rodgers retires. Be it Love or whatever, other QB they draft in the twenties, Love was 26th.

I've said this before but people have to realize why the Bears haven't had that luck. It's not that they are the Bears and it will never work, but it's that for the majority of their history they have purposefully been a defense first and run the ball a very close 2nd. They spent a high first on Trubisky, but they also made the mistake of having a first time GM making that pick without any input from the head coach, or anybody with an inkling of NFL offensive smarts. The Bears need a real focus on offense, not Canadian offense, NFL offense. There is a chance Nagy is that guy. Maybe he can help pick out the right draft pick. We know Pace can't.

 

 

Also, everybody comments about the Packers but it's 2 times. They found a QB twice. It's not like they've found a QB every 5 years or something. They found two QBs who lasted a long time each. Prior to that the Packers were joke. They sucked for a very long time. They hired an absolutely Grade A offensive head coach and it changed the trajectory of the organization.

[Brian]

the fact that those 2 have been there consecutively for the last 28 years certainly skews perspective

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Could we find one that lasts 14 years plz?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Could we find one that lasts 14 years plz?

 

 

or even 2 that last 14 years

 

ok I'm starting to show my desperation

[Hairyducked Idiot]

But in order for that to happen, we have to 1) try and 2) commit resources to making an offense that one can thrive in.

 

No more "ok I know we need an offensive lineman but this edge rusher is just too sexy"

[minnesotacubsfan]

But in order for that to happen, we have to 1) try and 2) commit resources to making an offense that one can thrive in.

 

No more "ok I know we need an offensive lineman but this edge rusher is just too sexy"

 

 

not true. if you have competent qb play sexy edge rushers are easier to oogle

[raw]

Sounds like Carson Wentz is off the board with the Eagles firing Pedersen.

[WrigleyField 22]

The beats guys seemed suspiciously quiet yesterday. Waiting for some shoe to drop, it feels like.

[David]

The beats guys seemed suspiciously quiet yesterday. Waiting for some shoe to drop, it feels like.

 

yeah, biggs was on the score this morning saying he has no idea what's going on...said that the bears could have easily scheduled end of season pressers for pace and nagy with firm date/time and they haven't (just an open ended TBA), so as to suggest that it may mean something.

[gflore34]

The beats guys seemed suspiciously quiet yesterday. Waiting for some shoe to drop, it feels like.

 

yeah, biggs was on the score this morning saying he has no idea what's going on...said that the bears could have easily scheduled end of season pressers for pace and nagy with firm date/time and they haven't (just an open ended TBA), so as to suggest that it may mean something.

 

Why does anything need to happen? They've a horsefeathers-ton of excuses to retain the status quo besides the customary we tried real hard, made the playoffs, excuses for being terrible end of season press conference what more is necessary?

[gflore34]

Given have Bears never lucked into a superstar QB, makes it feel as if it's nearly impossible for them, I know the overall chances of lucking into that QB are slim. Just seems especially improbable when considering the Bears and, of course, the Packers will just pull another franchise QB out their asses once Rodgers retires. Be it Love or whatever, other QB they draft in the twenties, Love was 26th.

I've said this before but people have to realize why the Bears haven't had that luck. It's not that they are the Bears and it will never work, but it's that for the majority of their history they have purposefully been a defense first and run the ball a very close 2nd. They spent a high first on Trubisky, but they also made the mistake of having a first time GM making that pick without any input from the head coach, or anybody with an inkling of NFL offensive smarts. The Bears need a real focus on offense, not Canadian offense, NFL offense. There is a chance Nagy is that guy. Maybe he can help pick out the right draft pick. We know Pace can't.

 

 

Also, everybody comments about the Packers but it's 2 times. They found a QB twice. It's not like they've found a QB every 5 years or something. They found two QBs who lasted a long time each. Prior to that the Packers were joke. They sucked for a very long time. They hired an absolutely Grade A offensive head coach and it changed the trajectory of the organization.

 

Yes, I slighty exaggerated and I believe you're correct regarding the hire of a Grade A offensive coach.

[jersey cubs fan]

The beats guys seemed suspiciously quiet yesterday. Waiting for some shoe to drop, it feels like.

 

yeah, biggs was on the score this morning saying he has no idea what's going on...said that the bears could have easily scheduled end of season pressers for pace and nagy with firm date/time and they haven't (just an open ended TBA), so as to suggest that it may mean something.

 

Why does anything need to happen? They've a horsefeathers of excuses to retain the status quo besides the customary we tried real hard, made the playoffs, excuses for being terrible end of season press conference what more is necessary?

 

Something needs to happen, bare minimum you'd expect coordinator turnover. I think best case is Philips retires and they announce a big president name. More likely they'd conduct a search.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

yeah, biggs was on the score this morning saying he has no idea what's going on...said that the bears could have easily scheduled end of season pressers for pace and nagy with firm date/time and they haven't (just an open ended TBA), so as to suggest that it may mean something.

 

Why does anything need to happen? They've a horsefeathers of excuses to retain the status quo besides the customary we tried real hard, made the playoffs, excuses for being terrible end of season press conference what more is necessary?

 

Something needs to happen, bare minimum you'd expect coordinator turnover. I think best case is Philips retires and they announce a big president name. More likely they'd conduct a search.

I'd be stunned if they announced any new hires today.

 

And yea I think realistically if they replace Phillips, it will be a longish search, perhaps going into the summer (unless it's been known for some time and they've been doing background work without it leaking).

[BigbadB]

I expect they replace Phillips (all the rumors seem to make this one a simple prediction) and fire Pagano. Pace and Nagy both have 2 years left on their contracts and the new president of operations doesn't need the headache of trying to replace a GM and a HC when jobs are already being filled, along with having all of that dead money on the books for GM and HC.

 

I think they find a team to trade Foles to and Trubisky walks as well. Unless Mac Jones is at #20, they draft the best available OT and find a veteran QB that fits Nagy's playbook. Whether it's Alex Smith, Carson Wentz, Derek Carr, etc... I can't predict.

 

Bring back Robinson and I think you have a nice nucleus of offensive talent with Montgomery, Cohen, Robinson, Mooney and Kmet. Just not sure they can fit Robinson and a veteran QB without giving up more than just Skrine, Massie and Graham.

[jersey cubs fan]

I expect they replace Phillips (all the rumors seem to make this one a simple prediction) and fire Pagano. Pace and Nagy both have 2 years left on their contracts

 

I don't believe there have been many rumors on that Phillips story. There was a tweet from some rando that got some play but I have not seen much of anything suggesting it's on the table, let alone imminent. It should happen, but I'm more just hoping than reading the tea leaves.

 

Also, Pace would need an extension to get 2 more years on his contract, not sure if you were just implying that would happen.

[WrigleyField 22]

I expect they replace Phillips (all the rumors seem to make this one a simple prediction) and fire Pagano. Pace and Nagy both have 2 years left on their contracts

 

I don't believe there have been many rumors on that Phillips story. There was a tweet from some rando that got some play but I have not seen much of anything suggesting it's on the table, let alone imminent. It should happen, but I'm more just hoping than reading the tea leaves.

 

Also, Pace would need an extension to get 2 more years on his contract, not sure if you were just implying that would happen.

Well there was some rumors Pace did get said extension, though it was walked back. But about the same amount of smoke as any Phillips rumor.

Edited January 12, 2021 by WrigleyField 22