Reds Hire Kyle Boddy

[Cubswin11]

This is a huge horsefeathering blow, imo. Got outsold by the [expletive] Reds for a guy we badly needed in an area of the organization we are so far behind in. Seriously bringing in Boddy was probably the most impactful move we could’ve made all offseason.

 

 

[Cubswin11]

Damn yo, they just bodied us

 

OTOH Boddy's got a weird reputation as a loudmouth so maybe it just wasn't a personality fit. Also also not sure he's ever been with a ML org officially? I don't have much issue pursuing a Callaway or Farrell for a more ML oriented pitching guru role

He has a tough personality which yeah maybe that was part of it but he’s the best at what he does. He’s only consulted with teams and players as far as I recall. Callaway and Farrell are fossils compared to what he’s doing. We badly needed Boddy and now need to find someone like him to take on this new pitching role (I’m sure there’s plenty of suitable gurus out there like him, I just doubt we can identify them properly or pry them away from whatever they’re doing).

 

And again, we got outbid/out sold by the [expletive] Reds.

[Cubswin11]

He has a tough personality which yeah maybe that was part of it but he’s the best at what he does. He’s only consulted with teams and players as far as I recall. Callaway and Farrell are fossils compared to what he’s doing. We badly needed Boddy and now need to find someone like him to take on this new pitching role (I’m sure there’s plenty of suitable gurus out there like him, I just doubt we can identify them properly or pry them away from whatever they’re doing).

 

It sucks to say but, now that he's drawn the attentions of 30 billionaires who would either want to hire him or send him into the sun, probably not for long. He was the first and a legend. Callaway's 43 to Boddy's 36, just started coaching in 2010, actually has significant MiL and ML coaching experience and success. He may not be shiny and new anymore, but my dude Schwarber proved that's not necessarily the worst thing while you're young

 

The part about outbid/outsold on the Reds is speculation. They didn't hire a niche name who doesn't have any experience outside his niche world, a great one he built himself so awesome but still

Maybe as the day to day major league guy Callaway is better. But the pitching development role for mostly the minor leaguers we’re talking here, the in the lab stuff using technology, techniques and methodology he basically created, Boddy is leaps and bounds better.

 

And we offered him a job and he picked the Reds, we got out pitches or out bid and that’s a horsefeathering disgrace.

[We Got The Whole 9]

We can strike back and hire Derek Johnson as Manager

[CubinNY]

OTOH I love the Reds' earnestness, hope they finish second in the division next year. OTOOH they keep hiring guys who worked for the Cubs or the Cubs are interviewing to handle their pitching and with results so far. Why not look at their 2019 ML pitching storyline - they hire the Cubs' former minor league pitching coordinator to run their ML program after a huge year for MIL's big club, Reds get outstanding SP for the first time in forever, and then hire a guy the Cubs offered a job to to run their entire MiL program - as some signs we should be confident in where the pitching is going behind the scenes?

horsefeathers every team in the division who aren't the Cubs.

[ConstableRabbit]

There’s no way we got *outbid* by the reds. He was likely offered a bigger role that we were not willing to offer.

[Cubswin11]

There’s no way we got *outbid* by the reds. He was likely offered a bigger role that we were not willing to offer.

We either got outbid or outsold with a better pitch. The pitching development infrastructure is non existent, I can’t imagine we weren’t willing to give him whatever role he wanted in pitcher development.

[Cubswin11]

We either got outbid or outsold with a better pitch. The pitching development infrastructure is non existent, I can’t imagine we weren’t willing to give him whatever role he wanted in pitcher development.

 

Who actually belives this? I'm not even sure you believe this

This was the first year it seemed we’ve done anything on the development front since 2015-16. I’m not entirely uncertain it was just dumb and random luck. Theo admitted they still are way behind in this development stuff the last few years.

[Cubswin11]

This was the first year it seemed we’ve done anything on the development front since 2015-16. I’m not entirely uncertain it was just dumb and random luck. Theo admitted they still are way behind in this development stuff the last few years.

 

Even if this is true, and we've been ballwashing Alzolay since 2017 when he came out of nowhere, who cares? If there's a year to pick, right?

 

I think they are clearly behind, there's no Cole and Verlander stories here and the velocity's not exciting, but Epstein also pointed out that not so long ago they were one of the best pitching teams in the MLs

So you think everything has just been luck good or bad and we should just keep the status quo? You don’t think things need fixing on the development side?

[ConstableRabbit]

There’s no way we got *outbid* by the reds. He was likely offered a bigger role that we were not willing to offer.

We either got outbid or outsold with a better pitch. The pitching development infrastructure is non existent, I can’t imagine we weren’t willing to give him whatever role he wanted in pitcher development.

Whatever role he wanted? No way. Boddy is the kind of guy you bring in to run the pitch lab, and maybe give insight in scouting, mechanics, etc. There’s no way I’m giving him free reign over the entire pitching program.

[SouthSideRyan]

Was hoping their interest was just a red herring.

[Cubswin11]

There’s no way we got *outbid* by the reds. He was likely offered a bigger role that we were not willing to offer.

We either got outbid or outsold with a better pitch. The pitching development infrastructure is non existent, I can’t imagine we weren’t willing to give him whatever role he wanted in pitcher development.

Whatever role he wanted? No way. Boddy is the kind of guy you bring in to run the pitch lab, and maybe give insight in scouting, mechanics, etc. There’s no way I’m giving him free reign over the entire pitching program.

That’s pretty much what he’s doing with the Reds. Theo said we’re adding a minor league pitching coordinator or whatever, yesterday. You let a guy like Boddy have free reign over that whole thing when it comes to development, that’s all I mean.

 

https://twitter.com/drivelinebases/status/1179148715560333312?s=21

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hiring Boddy would have been cool, but I don’t think he’s uniquely qualified for the role. The fact that they’re targeting someone with his skills/strengths means as much as if they’d gotten him in particular.

[Bertz]

Hiring Boddy would have been cool, but I don’t think he’s uniquely qualified for the role. The fact that they’re targeting someone with his skills/strengths means as much as if they’d gotten him in particular.

 

This. So very much this.

[Cubswin11]

Hiring Boddy would have been cool, but I don’t think he’s uniquely qualified for the role. The fact that they’re targeting someone with his skills/strengths means as much as if they’d gotten him in particular.

 

This. So very much this.

I think it likely is. But we knew Boddy was available to fill this role and likely would be very good at it. We don’t know who else is reasonably available and also if Theo can identify the right guy. It’s encouraging to be targeting it, but idk if they stick the landing. And again, we lost out to the god damn Reds this on a guy we offered a job to.

[Tim]

My guess is that we wanted him to commit full time and the reds were willing to let him continue at driveline.

[Regular Show]

My guess is that we wanted him to commit full time and the reds were willing to let him continue at driveline.

 

Yeah, same thing happened with Rany Jazayerli. The Cubs offered to hire him as a member of their FO (back in like 2012 or 2013 I believe). The problem was he would've had to quit his medical practice and commit full-time. It was an excruciating choice for him...

 

I'm glad we at least got to read some excellent articles from him on the defunct Grantland and occasionally now on The Ringer.

[jersey cubs fan]

Hiring Boddy would have been cool, but I don’t think he’s uniquely qualified for the role. The fact that they’re targeting someone with his skills/strengths means as much as if they’d gotten him in particular.

 

This. So very much this.

How many legit new wave pitching gurus are there to pick from?

 

This can't be much different than free agent baseball players. There are only a select few who will actually be very good at the job.

[Bertz]

Hiring Boddy would have been cool, but I don’t think he’s uniquely qualified for the role. The fact that they’re targeting someone with his skills/strengths means as much as if they’d gotten him in particular.

 

This. So very much this.

How many legit new wave pitching gurus are there to pick from?

 

This can't be much different than free agent baseball players. There are only a select few who will actually be very good at the job.

 

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

[jersey cubs fan]

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

 

If they didn't think he'd provide continuing value they wouldn't have offered him a job and wouldn't have committed to creating the role in the first place.

 

The Cubs clearly wanted this guy and lost out on him to a division rival that also stole the one good pitching mind they had in the organization.

 

It's a loss.

[ConstableRabbit]

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

 

If they didn't think he'd provide continuing value they wouldn't have offered him a job and wouldn't have committed to creating the role in the first place.

 

The Cubs clearly wanted this guy and lost out on him to a division rival that also stole the one good pitching mind they had in the organization.

 

It's a loss.

Why do you think Boddy went to the Reds over the Cubs?

[jersey cubs fan]

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

 

If they didn't think he'd provide continuing value they wouldn't have offered him a job and wouldn't have committed to creating the role in the first place.

 

The Cubs clearly wanted this guy and lost out on him to a division rival that also stole the one good pitching mind they had in the organization.

 

It's a loss.

Why do you think Boddy went to the Reds over the Cubs?

A preference to work either with the talent he saw in the system and/or the pitching infrastructure already in place. Or he just wanted to return to Ohio for some godforsaken reason.

[Bertz]

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

 

If they didn't think he'd provide continuing value they wouldn't have offered him a job and wouldn't have committed to creating the role in the first place.

 

The Cubs clearly wanted this guy and lost out on him to a division rival that also stole the one good pitching mind they had in the organization.

 

It's a loss.

 

I didn't say he'd provide no value, I said I question how much immediate impact he'd provide given that the team isn't starting from scratch. I think the team is far enough along that he couldn't just come in and be like "Do this one weird trick and suddenly you're the Astros." I think if there is a guy out there who could do that, it's probably Brendan Sagara's counterpart from either the Astros or Yankees. That might be why they created the new Director of Pitching position, to have a promotion to offer one of those guys.

 

Also, Derek Johnson was overseeing the minors when they were at their most butt at developing pitchers, so I'm not sure he makes your point very well.

[NonProfitCow]

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

 

If they didn't think he'd provide continuing value they wouldn't have offered him a job and wouldn't have committed to creating the role in the first place.

 

The Cubs clearly wanted this guy and lost out on him to a division rival that also stole the one good pitching mind they had in the organization.

 

It's a loss.

Why do you think Boddy went to the Reds over the Cubs?

More power.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

Probably not very many. That being said I'm not sure what kind of continuing value he provides beyond being another very intelligent voice in the room. He deserves all the plaudits for innovating in this area, but beyond the very public ways he's moved the industry forward does he provide any other immediate insight?

 

If you have a sub to The Athletic I highly recommend the article from this summer on Brailyn Marquez or the one from a few weeks ago on Ryan, Wieck, and Wick. We're doing a lot of this stuff already, just clearly not as well as the top tier of the Dodgers, Astros, and Yankees. If anything I would look to poach guys from those Orgs to move our program forward into that tier, while Boddy's value might lie more in helping team building out this system from scratch.

 

If they didn't think he'd provide continuing value they wouldn't have offered him a job and wouldn't have committed to creating the role in the first place.

 

The Cubs clearly wanted this guy and lost out on him to a division rival that also stole the one good pitching mind they had in the organization.

 

It's a loss.

If you are talking about Derek Johnson the Reds stole him from the Brewers, not the Cubs. And he left the Cubs for a big league job with the Brewers so that was understandable.