Regular Season Rumors

[Cubswin11]

I do wonder if a 3 team trade would be possible if the Mets want more prospecty dudes. Maybe Almora and some stuff to the Marlins for a good prospect which goes to the Mets, Happ and some prospects from us as well to the Mets and DeGrom and Maybin to us.

 

Almora is the local kid coming home and Jeets gets his Jeets.

 

Edited July 12, 2018 by Cubswin11

[Bertz]

It's hard to say. DeGrom is likely the most valuable pitcher in baseball right now (Kluber?), but at the same time he is a pitcher. Happ and Almora both look like ~3 win guys right now with plenty of control. There's maybe not as much upside as one might like from the Mets POV, but short of like Vlad Jr. I'm not sure there are any prospects floating around more valuable than them.

 

I feel like both fanbases would justifiably feel ripped off, so I think it's in the right neighborhood.

[Cubswin11]

Let’s say Happ was blocked and never came up last year and was still down this year or just came up this year. I think we can assume he’d be putting up great numbers in AAA with positional versatility and a switch hitter, he would be like a top 7-12 prospect in baseball right now if he qualified, right?

 

 

I know it’s not the case and the dreaming of a prospect potential has worn off with him but he’s still just 23.

[Vinestal]

Seems like the Mets would want Victor Caratini included since they don’t have a decent catcher and don’t look to have one any time soon right? I hadn’t seen him mentioned at all here. They might have to make a secondary deal for a backup catcher but that shouldn’t be to hard.

[Cubswin11]

Seems like the Mets would want Victor Caratini included since they don’t have a decent catcher and don’t look to have one any time soon right? I hadn’t seen him mentioned at all here. They might have to make a secondary deal for a backup catcher but that shouldn’t be to hard.

They can have him. Just go trade for Rivera or Maldonado or someone.

[porterbela]

I don’t think Happ/Almora gets it done.

 

I 100% agree. I wish it were enough but from talking to my buddy that's a Mets fan, I doubt it's nearly enough. I'm not taking anything away from Almora or Happ here but I don't think they're the type of player the Mets want back, I could be wrong. However, if the Mets are willing to trade legit No. 1 starting pitchers with 2+ years of control left, why would they trade them for players that are already in the big leagues? If that's what they're looking for then I'd guess they'd want Schwarbs, Russell, or Baez instead. Also, if one of those pitchers are available, you bet your ass that Stearns and the Brewers aren't going to let the Cubs outbid them again.

 

I told my buddy that the 2015 Mets reminded me of the 2003 Cubs with all the young pitching and if they didn't win that year they'd have to blow it up and start building more like the 2015 Cubs...he laughed at me. :D :D

[Cubswin11]

I liked Kirby Yates as a target and even more now after seeing him pitch after last night. We should take him back with us after the trip to SD. Would think he wouldn’t take more than like Underwood and Short.

[Aaron_Kennelly]

I liked Kirby Yates as a target and even more now after seeing him pitch after last night. We should take him back with us after the trip to SD. Would think he wouldn’t take more than like Underwood and Short.

 

Trading Javy's replacement for a relief pitcher? I think not.

[Tryptamine]

Why do we want a guy who already has a partially torn UCL like Otani did when he came over? Degrom and Syndergaard absolutely, but I'll pass on giving up assets for Lugo.

[Backtobanks]

MLB.com[/url]"]July 14: Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard would be the prizes of the starting pitching market if the Mets decided to trade either of their two aces. So it's no surprise that Syndergaard was being heavily scouted on his return from the disabled list Friday at Citi Field.

 

On hand to watch the flamethrowing right-hander were the Yankees, Mariners and Cubs, among others, according to the New York Post's Ken Davidoff. All three are contending teams that could benefit greatly from adding a frontline starter to their rotation. One scout told Davidoff that Syndergaard flashed "a pretty good power selection" on Friday night.

 

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Does something like Almora, Happ, Amaya, De la Cruz, Lange, and Little get the Cubs Syndergaard and Lugo?* DeGrom and Lugo?

 

* I don't think the Mets trade Syndergaard

 

From today's Tribune: And the Cubs appear firm in their unwillingness to move any position players from their major-league roster to acquire pitching help.

“We’ve shown were really loyal to this core group for a reason,” Hoyer said. “They’ve earned that loyalty with their performance over 3½ seasons. Our focus really is on supplementing that group.”

[Agony and Ivy]

MLB.com[/url]"]July 14: Jacob deGrom and Noah Syndergaard would be the prizes of the starting pitching market if the Mets decided to trade either of their two aces. So it's no surprise that Syndergaard was being heavily scouted on his return from the disabled list Friday at Citi Field.

 

On hand to watch the flamethrowing right-hander were the Yankees, Mariners and Cubs, among others, according to the New York Post's Ken Davidoff. All three are contending teams that could benefit greatly from adding a frontline starter to their rotation. One scout told Davidoff that Syndergaard flashed "a pretty good power selection" on Friday night.

 

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Does something like Almora, Happ, Amaya, De la Cruz, Lange, and Little get the Cubs Syndergaard and Lugo?* DeGrom and Lugo?

 

* I don't think the Mets trade Syndergaard

 

From today's Tribune: And the Cubs appear firm in their unwillingness to move any position players from their major-league roster to acquire pitching help.

“We’ve shown were really loyal to this core group for a reason,” Hoyer said. “They’ve earned that loyalty with their performance over 3½ seasons. Our focus really is on supplementing that group.”

 

To me, those comments don't include Happ.

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Does something like Almora, Happ, Amaya, De la Cruz, Lange, and Little get the Cubs Syndergaard and Lugo?* DeGrom and Lugo?

 

* I don't think the Mets trade Syndergaard

 

From today's Tribune: And the Cubs appear firm in their unwillingness to move any position players from their major-league roster to acquire pitching help.

“We’ve shown were really loyal to this core group for a reason,” Hoyer said. “They’ve earned that loyalty with their performance over 3½ seasons. Our focus really is on supplementing that group.”

 

To me, those comments don't include Happ.

 

That’s a good point, depending on the question he’s answering, it could be inclusive of Happ/Almora or more like saying they aren’t going to trade Baez/Russell/Schwarber.

[Backtobanks]

 

From today's Tribune: And the Cubs appear firm in their unwillingness to move any position players from their major-league roster to acquire pitching help.

“We’ve shown were really loyal to this core group for a reason,” Hoyer said. “They’ve earned that loyalty with their performance over 3½ seasons. Our focus really is on supplementing that group.”

 

To me, those comments don't include Happ.

 

Almora is technically not from within that time range either. Baez, Russell, Bryant, Rizzo, and Schwarber all were on the 2015 squad.

 

 

My take on it is not to expect the big deal and get by with supplementary pieces (bullpen, cheaper rental SP, etc.) that can be acquired with prospects. Obviously, if they don't get to/win the WS, then some of the positional players will be available in the offseason. The FO has been saying all along that they have confidence in this team and are basically looking for pitching depth.

[Bertz]

Sounds like we're tied to Zach Britton (again). I really the idea. His velocity was down in June (he probably rushed back too fast), but in July he's been throwing 95+ again and has reverted to being amazing. But given the injury and the salary I would imagine the player cost would still be relatively low.

[Gilby]

I certainly like the idea of Britton, as you can never have enough top pen arms these days. However, I really don't know what to think about the roation and whether we need someone like JA Happ more than Britton or not.

 

I'd like to think at least one of Darvish/Montgomery/Smyly could be in a position to start games in October, but that makes me a little nervous to count on that. And it's not like the top 3 in the roation are dominant either. Maybe the best way to combat this is a super-duper bullpen? I dont know. Money-wise I suppose we could fit Eovaldi with Britton, but other teams want pitchers too.

[Backtobanks]

I certainly like the idea of Britton, as you can never have enough top pen arms these days. However, I really don't know what to think about the roation and whether we need someone like JA Happ more than Britton or not.

 

I'd like to think at least one of Darvish/Montgomery/Smyly could be in a position to start games in October, but that makes me a little nervous to count on that. And it's not like the top 3 in the roation are dominant either. Maybe the best way to combat this is a super-duper bullpen? I dont know. Money-wise I suppose we could fit Eovaldi with Britton, but other teams want pitchers too.

 

 

The last I read was that the A's were going to be buyers at the deadline, but picking up someone like Cahill would be great (and cheap). Perfect swingman to eat some innings as a spot starter in September with Montgomery and Smyly and then reverting back to the bullpen for the playoffs.

[CubinNY]

The Cubs have to get at least another starter don’t you think?

[porterbela]

The Cubs have to get at least another starter don’t you think?

 

I think most would say "yes" to that question. Not enough depth right now. I don't think the Cubs really need to get an ace type pitcher if they think Darvish will come back healthy soon. However, you have to assume the Brewers will be making a big splash to energize their team. It's also looking ahead to the playoffs. Cubs need a healthy and strong bullpen. If they don't add another starter that's better than Chatwood, they're going to struggle to keep that bullpen fresh.

[davell]

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-stroman-blue-jays-f-221800191.html

 

Steve Buffery of the Toronto Sun reports that while Stroman was initially cool, calm, and collected when speaking to the media after the game, he eventually snapped. Stroman was asked by a reporter about breaking into professional baseball with short-season Single-A Vancouver in 2012. Stroman yelled at the reporter, noting that his team had just lost to the Red Sox, and called his team “f– terrible.” Keegan Matheson’s account of the situation lines up with Buffery’s as well.

 

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I wonder if the Cubs can dump Chatwood on someone like the Angels, A’s, Twins, Phillies, or Rockies?

 

Why would anyone take him off our hands?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-stroman-blue-jays-f-221800191.html

 

Steve Buffery of the Toronto Sun reports that while Stroman was initially cool, calm, and collected when speaking to the media after the game, he eventually snapped. Stroman was asked by a reporter about breaking into professional baseball with short-season Single-A Vancouver in 2012. Stroman yelled at the reporter, noting that his team had just lost to the Red Sox, and called his team “f– terrible.” Keegan Matheson’s account of the situation lines up with Buffery’s as well.

 

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I wonder if the Cubs can dump Chatwood on someone like the Angels, A’s, Twins, Phillies, or Rockies?

 

Why would anyone take him off our hands?

 

I've heard he has a promising spin rate.

[davell]

 

Why would anyone take him off our hands?

 

I've heard he has a promising spin rate.

 

Exactly! With the right coaching and org he might develop into and fulfill his potential.

 

And that's worth taking on THAT contract? Because with Bryce coming up and everything else, we're definitely not paying his deal to make him go away. We'd work on him all winter and hope for the best again next year.

[Agony and Ivy]

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-stroman-blue-jays-f-221800191.html

 

Steve Buffery of the Toronto Sun reports that while Stroman was initially cool, calm, and collected when speaking to the media after the game, he eventually snapped. Stroman was asked by a reporter about breaking into professional baseball with short-season Single-A Vancouver in 2012. Stroman yelled at the reporter, noting that his team had just lost to the Red Sox, and called his team “f– terrible.” Keegan Matheson’s account of the situation lines up with Buffery’s as well.

 

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I wonder if the Cubs can dump Chatwood on someone like the Angels, A’s, Twins, Phillies, or Rockies?

 

Why would anyone take him off our hands?

 

None of those teams have access to MLB.tv obviously. I hate chatwood as much as anyone and in the heat of watching him suck ass on the mound I'll declare for him to be DFA'ed but he's not going anywhere.

[Backtobanks]

https://sports.yahoo.com/marcus-stroman-blue-jays-f-221800191.html

 

 

 

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I wonder if the Cubs can dump Chatwood on someone like the Angels, A’s, Twins, Phillies, or Rockies?

 

Why would anyone take him off our hands?

 

I've heard he has a promising spin rate.

 

 

Yeah, his spin rate makes the ball miss the strike zone far too often.

[sneakypower]

I don’t think Happ/Almora gets it done.

i think Happ has to be viewed similarly to a top-10 hitting prospect, at the very least

 

he's not yet 24 but totaled roughly a full-season worth of AB, and with that has 100 R, 35 HR, 94 RBI, 12 SB & .255/.350/.490 (3.3 WAR) as a switch-hitter and is average or better at 4-5 positions he's played

 

who in the minors honestly profiles better than an established ~850 OPS middle of the diamond defender? yeah i'll take Soto, Acuna, Baby Vlad, but are you really going to bet on Bo Bichette/Eloy/Adames to blow that out of the water? Happ's a headliner probably on par with what any other team will reasonably offer imo

 

edit: lol n/m somebody made this exact point i see now

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