Winter Meetings 2017 thread

[squally1313]

The only way I can see equal value is by the Padres throwing in Gore, and the Cubs in their current position trading for an 18 year pitcher doesn't make much sense.

 

That's for Baez or Russell at least. I guess I could see Happ for Hand + a top ten prospect or two.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

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Meh

 

i'd be ok with this, depending on the price.

Edited December 12, 2017 by Bobson Dugnutt

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[CaliforniaRaisin]

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This helps them with their luxury tax situation.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

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Meh

 

i'd be ok with this, depending on the price.

 

Just sign Cobb if you want to pay a bunch of money to a guy who won't throw 200 IP.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

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Meh

 

i'd be ok with this, depending on the price.

 

Just sign Cobb if you want to pay a bunch of money to a guy who won't throw 200 IP.

 

i'm fine with that outcome, but i like duffy more than cobb pretty easily. he's also younger and his contract is better than what I think Cobb is likely to get.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

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Meh

 

i'd be ok with this, depending on the price.

 

Just sign Cobb if you want to pay a bunch of money to a guy who won't throw 200 IP.

 

This is my initial reaction, Duffy is getting 4/60 so it's not a money saver, and certainly the cost for Duffy is greater than the comp pick forfeited for Cobb. Knowing that the front office knows that too, brainstorming some theories why it would still make sense.

 

- This is part of the Cobb negotiation, either to pressure him to sign or as a contingency if some team shows up with 5/95 for him

- Duffy is a year younger, and while his injury history isn't pristine, it's fair to say he's a slightly healthier arm than Cobb, especially when you consider that age.

- Duffy might have more room for growth than Cobb, Duffy hasn't yet worked with Hickey and he has better fielding-independent numbers

- Since Duffy is getting near market rates, maybe his trade cost isn't all that high.

 

I'm still skeptical, but I can see a path to it making sense.

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it won't be as fun to make fun of the cardinals' drunk driving if we get duffy

[JennieGarthAlgar]

If we are going to trade a MIF I sincerely hope its the one who was accused of beating up the mother of one of his dozen children, but thats just me.

 

edit: Id actually like to trade him regardless. Sell him while value is still somewhat high, cause im not so sure he's ever going to come close to the barry larkin clone we were told

Edited December 12, 2017 by JennieGarthAlgar

[Guancous]

The only way I can see equal value is by the Padres throwing in Gore, and the Cubs in their current position trading for an 18 year pitcher doesn't make much sense.

 

That's for Baez or Russell at least. I guess I could see Happ for Hand + a top ten prospect or two.

 

I could see the Cubs accepting Russell or Baez for Hand, Manuel Margot and a prospect. Can't imagine the Padres agreeing to that.

[squally1313]

The only way I can see equal value is by the Padres throwing in Gore, and the Cubs in their current position trading for an 18 year pitcher doesn't make much sense.

 

That's for Baez or Russell at least. I guess I could see Happ for Hand + a top ten prospect or two.

 

I could see the Cubs accepting Russell or Baez for Hand, Manuel Margot and a prospect. Can't imagine the Padres agreeing to that.

 

Margot only makes sense if you dump Happ, Almora, or Schwarber. Him and Almora appear to be pretty identical players, and not really something we need two of at this point.

[champaignchris]

Baez or Russell to the Padres only seems to make sense to me if there’s a second move following that up, such as a trade with the Rays or Jays for Archer or Stroman.

[David]

edit: Id actually like to trade him regardless. Sell him while value is still somewhat high, cause im not so sure he's ever going to come close to the barry larkin clone we were told

 

he's not some case of unrealized potential, a down injury-plagued 2017 aside (you think this is the time to sell high??). he had accrued damn near 7 fWAR before his 23rd birthday. he's an elite defensive SS who walks and has power, and he's not even 24 yet.

[Bull]

Baez or Russell to the Padres only seems to make sense to me if there’s a second move following that up, such as a trade with the Rays or Jays for Archer or Stroman.

I'm a little slow, but I'm not following.

 

How does trading away a middle infielder make more sense if followed up by a trade for a starting pitcher (whom you'd likely need to use a bat to trade for). It seems it would make it less likely.

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[Bobson Dugnutt]

Baez or Russell to the Padres only seems to make sense to me if there’s a second move following that up, such as a trade with the Rays or Jays for Archer or Stroman.

I'm a little slow, but I'm not following.

 

How does trading away a middle infielder make more sense if followed up by a trade for a starter pitcher (whom you'd likely need to use a bat to trade for). It seems it would make it less likely.

 

by using the prospects you acquire in a Russell/Baez trade to acquire a starting pitcher.

[Cubswin11]

edit: Id actually like to trade him regardless. Sell him while value is still somewhat high, cause im not so sure he's ever going to come close to the barry larkin clone we were told

Yeah, no. This is just wrong

[champaignchris]

Baez or Russell to the Padres only seems to make sense to me if there’s a second move following that up, such as a trade with the Rays or Jays for Archer or Stroman.

I'm a little slow, but I'm not following.

 

How does trading away a middle infielder make more sense if followed up by a trade for a starter pitcher (whom you'd likely need to use a bat to trade for). It seems it would make it less likely.

 

The Padres really only have a relief pitcher and prospects to trade back for one of the Cubs’ middle infielders. While they might like the reliever, that’s nowhere near enough return for the middle infielder. The Cubs are in “win now” mode. So the best reason to trade a current MLB asset for non-MLB ready prospects is if you’re going to turn those prospects into something the Cubs need now at the MLB level. Mainly a starting pitcher.

 

So the idea would be Baez to the Padres for Hand, Margot plus prospect followed by Margot or Happ plus Padres prospect plus Cubs prospects to Rays/Jays for Archer/Stroman.

[JennieGarthAlgar]

edit: Id actually like to trade him regardless. Sell him while value is still somewhat high, cause im not so sure he's ever going to come close to the barry larkin clone we were told

 

he's not some case of unrealized potential, a down injury-plagued 2017 aside (you think this is the time to sell high??). he had accrued damn near 7 fWAR before his 23rd birthday. he's an elite defensive SS who walks and has power, and he's not even 24 yet.

 

I dont care what his WAR is if hes an abuser, I dont want to root for him. Trade him for Archer if he so valuable.

[Cubswin11]

edit: Id actually like to trade him regardless. Sell him while value is still somewhat high, cause im not so sure he's ever going to come close to the barry larkin clone we were told

 

he's not some case of unrealized potential, a down injury-plagued 2017 aside (you think this is the time to sell high??). he had accrued damn near 7 fWAR before his 23rd birthday. he's an elite defensive SS who walks and has power, and he's not even 24 yet.

 

I dont care what his WAR is if hes an abuser, I dont want to root for him. Trade him for Archer if he so valuable.

I’m not going to argue he’s a scumbag, he likely is for what he did with the cheating alone. But the abuse stuff never had charges pressed or MLB suspension, it was all an allegation from a 3rd party. I’m willing to give the benefit of doubt there since nothing ever came of it.

[David]

edit: Id actually like to trade him regardless. Sell him while value is still somewhat high, cause im not so sure he's ever going to come close to the barry larkin clone we were told

 

he's not some case of unrealized potential, a down injury-plagued 2017 aside (you think this is the time to sell high??). he had accrued damn near 7 fWAR before his 23rd birthday. he's an elite defensive SS who walks and has power, and he's not even 24 yet.

 

I dont care what his WAR is if hes an abuser, I dont want to root for him. Trade him for Archer if he so valuable.

 

an unsubstantiated instagram comment from his wife's friend is all we have to go off. not saying it's not true that something happened, but regardless, am i misunderstanding the reason you made your edit?

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don't do this

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Just like John Oliver said to Dustin Hoffman (paraphrased), "why would these women lie?" He was called out online by the best friend of his wife, I tend to believe she was coming from an honest place. Just because the victim probably realized her child would have less money if she pursued charges against Russell and his earning potential suffers doesnt mean it didnt happen.

 

I'd just rather not deal with it, thats just me. I think we can still win multiple world series without him, so long as we still get good value from him.

 

And the reason I made my edit was after I thought about it more, I just came to the realization that I'd rather not have him on the team if we could replace him with another asset.

[David]

don't do this

 

im just not even sure how this issue can even be talked about when we literally have next to nothing to go off of, which i realize is often the complicated thing about these situations.

 

and i still don't understand how starlin gets a pass as half the board's lovable mascot. i felt gross about that until he was traded.

[Bull]

 

he's not some case of unrealized potential, a down injury-plagued 2017 aside (you think this is the time to sell high??). he had accrued damn near 7 fWAR before his 23rd birthday. he's an elite defensive SS who walks and has power, and he's not even 24 yet.

 

I dont care what his WAR is if hes an abuser, I dont want to root for him. Trade him for Archer if he so valuable.

 

an unsubstantiated instagram comment from his wife's friend is all we have to go off. not saying it's not true that something happened, but regardless, am i misunderstanding the reason you made your edit?

Its nice to be important, but its more important to be nice.

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i'm just saying we probably shouldn't start a conversation about the validity of a domestic abuse accusation to figure out if we should trade a baseball guy Edited December 12, 2017 by 17 Seconds