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Bobson Dugnutt

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if that happens, i wonder if it'd be two players going in the same deal to land one of the top flight pitchers out there, or separately to address both closer and the rotation.

 

I'm starting to think it'd take 2 of them, if you're actually going to convince Tampa or Toronto to deal Archer or Stroman.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking for one of those two, it'd take two of Happ/Almora/Schwarber and prospects (or just Russell plus some prospects?). The alternative would be the Happ-for-closer type trade that was being discussed here a few days ago, and then one of the other two for a mid/back of the rotation controllable starter (ideally a younger pitcher with upside).

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A few general thoughts, from articles heading into the GM meetings, from Gordo, Mooney, and Levine....

 

We were mentioned on Morrow and McGee again.

 

We supposedly have between 65-75 mill to spend. (Assuming arb guys included there)

 

Seems like less spending this year, to open up next years checkbook

 

Cobb mentioned as a guy we could sign very early, so we head into the Winter Meetings in a strengthier position for trading.

 

One or TWO of our position player group could be dealt.

 

 

I love all of this, pending who the one or two guys are. McGee's my favorite reliever target and assuming Morrow's medicals look good he's even better.

 

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Cobb signs this weekend. It seems so inevitable on both his side and ours that I wonder if they're just waiting for the qualifying offer period to end before making it official.

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if that happens, i wonder if it'd be two players going in the same deal to land one of the top flight pitchers out there, or separately to address both closer and the rotation.

 

I'm starting to think it'd take 2 of them, if you're actually going to convince Tampa or Toronto to deal Archer or Stroman.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking for one of those two, it'd take two of Happ/Almora/Schwarber and prospects (or just Russell plus some prospects?). The alternative would be the Happ-for-closer type trade that was being discussed here a few days ago, and then one of the other two for a mid/back of the rotation controllable starter (ideally a younger pitcher with upside).

 

I'd go for Schwarber and Russell instead of Happ or Almora. Schwarber needs to be in the AL because he was born to DH. Russell can be replaced by moving Baez to SS with Happ/Zobrist playing 2B & LF. Almora has shown me enough to be a solid CF and Happ has the power, speed, and versatility to be a valuable member of the team for the next decade.

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I'm starting to think it'd take 2 of them, if you're actually going to convince Tampa or Toronto to deal Archer or Stroman.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking for one of those two, it'd take two of Happ/Almora/Schwarber and prospects (or just Russell plus some prospects?). The alternative would be the Happ-for-closer type trade that was being discussed here a few days ago, and then one of the other two for a mid/back of the rotation controllable starter (ideally a younger pitcher with upside).

 

I'd go for Schwarber and Russell instead of Happ or Almora. Schwarber needs to be in the AL because he was born to DH. Russell can be replaced by moving Baez to SS with Happ/Zobrist playing 2B & LF. Almora has shown me enough to be a solid CF and Happ has the power, speed, and versatility to be a valuable member of the team for the next decade.

 

You keep saying this and it's not getting any less ridiculous. That's a gigantic downgrade defensively and just an outrageous kneejerk undersell of a pre-prime cost-controlled Russell.

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I'm starting to think it'd take 2 of them, if you're actually going to convince Tampa or Toronto to deal Archer or Stroman.

 

Yeah, I'm thinking for one of those two, it'd take two of Happ/Almora/Schwarber and prospects (or just Russell plus some prospects?). The alternative would be the Happ-for-closer type trade that was being discussed here a few days ago, and then one of the other two for a mid/back of the rotation controllable starter (ideally a younger pitcher with upside).

 

I'd go for Schwarber and Russell instead of Happ or Almora. Schwarber needs to be in the AL because he was born to DH. Russell can be replaced by moving Baez to SS with Happ/Zobrist playing 2B & LF. Almora has shown me enough to be a solid CF and Happ has the power, speed, and versatility to be a valuable member of the team for the next decade.

 

weird

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http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/11/13/report-cubs-topped-the-luxury-tax-limit-again-which-would-have-offseason-consequences/

 

According to Nightingale, we went over the LT in 2017. I don't see how and he's an idiot anyway.

 

If we did, I'd say we'd be likely to stay under this season. But, I really don't think we went over.

 

MLBTR says the teams that went over were the Dodgers, Yankees, Nationals, Giants, and Tigers. So, Nightingale has us and the Red Sox, and not the Nationals.

 

I think MLBTR is correct.

 

If we ARE in the LT, it means we lose our 2nd and 5th rounders for signing a QO player and it'd mean we lose a million, instead of 500,000 in IFA money.

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Russell’s a solid starting ML SS with an elite pedigree entering peak prime power years. That’s...even if you don’t buy him becoming a superstar that is a wildly valuable player. It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018.

 

Of course he's valuable, which is why he would probably get us some of the big name pitchers we've been discussing. I think you're totally exaggerating by saying "It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018", when he showed that he was more than able to replace him when Russell was out with an injury. The defense would suffer at 2B, but not at SS. Also, there is some concern that his injury and off field problems might end up being a problem.

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Russell’s a solid starting ML SS with an elite pedigree entering peak prime power years. That’s...even if you don’t buy him becoming a superstar that is a wildly valuable player. It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018.

 

Of course he's valuable, which is why he would probably get us some of the big name pitchers we've been discussing. I think you're totally exaggerating by saying "It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018", when he showed that he was more than able to replace him when Russell was out with an injury. The defense would suffer at 2B, but not at SS. Also, there is some concern that his injury and off field problems might end up being a problem.

Russell is literally the best or 2nd best defensive SS in baseball, Javy is not

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Russell’s a solid starting ML SS with an elite pedigree entering peak prime power years. That’s...even if you don’t buy him becoming a superstar that is a wildly valuable player. It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018.

 

Of course he's valuable, which is why he would probably get us some of the big name pitchers we've been discussing. I think you're totally exaggerating by saying "It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018", when he showed that he was more than able to replace him when Russell was out with an injury. The defense would suffer at 2B, but not at SS. Also, there is some concern that his injury and off field problems might end up being a problem.

Russell is literally the best or 2nd best defensive SS in baseball, Javy is not

 

Third at best (Simmons and Lindor, for sure) but my God do Cubs fans underrate Russell's SS defense and overestimate Javy's.

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Russell’s a solid starting ML SS with an elite pedigree entering peak prime power years. That’s...even if you don’t buy him becoming a superstar that is a wildly valuable player. It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018.

 

Of course he's valuable, which is why he would probably get us some of the big name pitchers we've been discussing. I think you're totally exaggerating by saying "It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018", when he showed that he was more than able to replace him when Russell was out with an injury. The defense would suffer at 2B, but not at SS. Also, there is some concern that his injury and off field problems might end up being a problem.

Russell is literally the best or 2nd best defensive SS in baseball, Javy is not

 

Even so "devastating" seems a little...well alot hyperbolic.

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Of course he's valuable, which is why he would probably get us some of the big name pitchers we've been discussing. I think you're totally exaggerating by saying "It would be devastating to go from him to Baez in 2018", when he showed that he was more than able to replace him when Russell was out with an injury. The defense would suffer at 2B, but not at SS. Also, there is some concern that his injury and off field problems might end up being a problem.

Russell is literally the best or 2nd best defensive SS in baseball, Javy is not

 

Third at best (Simmons and Lindor, for sure) but my God do Cubs fans underrate Russell's SS defense and overestimate Javy's.

 

I'm certainly not underrating Russell's defense, but Baez played 26 consecutive errorless games while replacing him so it's not like we're bringing back Jeff Blauser to play SS.

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Russell is a career +13 UZR at SS while Baez is a career +1. I don't think that's the gospel truth, but there's a significant gap. Baez's 2016 and end of 2017 have obscured perceptions because 1) like most he's much better at 2B and that's where most of his defensive wizardry has been 2) he has higher highs and lower lows in terms of the plays he does and doesn't make
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I'm all for trading Happ because he doesn't really have a position and I don't completely believe in his power long-term, but this talk of trading guys like Russell for a pitcher who will probably blow his arm out at some point is ridiculous. Am I the only one left in the horsefeathers pitchers camp?
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Russell is a career +13 UZR at SS while Baez is a career +1. I don't think that's the gospel truth, but there's a significant gap. Baez's 2016 and end of 2017 have obscured perceptions because 1) like most he's much better at 2B and that's where most of his defensive wizardry has been 2) he has higher highs and lower lows in terms of the plays he does and doesn't make

 

I agree with some of what you posted, but Baez has been moved around as a very young player. I think if he was put at SS permanently, you would see him settle in to become an excellent defender in addition to the weekly highlight reel play. Obviously, if the Baez and Russell are both on the team, you don't mess with what works.

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http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/2017/11/jennings_dont_bet_on_red_sox_trading_for_giancarlo_stanton

 

A baseball source said yesterday that he’s been told Stanton will not accept a trade to either the Red Sox or the Cardinals

 

http://i.imgur.com/SfpQt.gif

 

its all fun and games until the dodgers trade joc pederson and some trash A-ball guys for stanton in late january.

 

Yep, I'm with imb. The Dodgers better not get Stanton or Ohtani.

 

MLB.com: Source: Dodgers in mix on Stanton talks

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