Cubs trade Eloy, Cease, others for Quintana

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Theo's unabridged comments: https://theathletic.com/75441/2017/07/13/theo-epstein-speaks-about-trading-for-jose-quintana/

 

A few highlights:

 

- They did a lot of investigation(both scouting and analytical) on Quintana's 2017 and feel good that it's an aberration

 

- They're interested in adding more pieces at the deadline, although (paraphrasing) this deal sets them up to not feel forced into any moves

 

- Hahn admitted after the deal was done that there was no way for it to get done without both Eloy and Cease

[cubsclapp]

I understand the deal, appreciate the value assessment, but I don't particularly love the deal. It's not an issue of Quintana. Love the contract, like the pitcher enough. It's more an issue that I'm not sure this team was at an all-in move position to thin out the system this much. It's an uphill climb this year.

 

Still, Quintana was as much a buy for the next few years, allowing them to allocate financial resources with much more flexibility.

 

While there isn't much to really love about Flete, there's a little part of me that wonders if he might be Josh Harrison-ish and find himself a major league career as a late bloomer (granted, Harrison was never really a late bloomer in the way Flete was).

 

Like you said, it's about the next few years. That he can help them hopefully contend to win the whole damn thing this year is just a bonus.

 

They'd make this same trade in the offseason. To me that's the ultimate question: did they overpay now for a run at immediate success? No. He wasn't going to be able to be had for cheaper than an Eloy/Cease-led price in the winter.

[17 Seconds]

if you feel bad about losing a top hitting prospect for 3.5 years of a very good pitcher, just watch some russell/soler/baez/almora at-bats

[Ding Dong Johnson]

if you feel bad about losing a top hitting prospect for 3.5 years of a very good pitcher, just watch some russell/soler/baez/almora at-bats

then I’ll watch KB bat against a Mets pitcher and be immediately sad again

[17 Seconds]

if you feel bad about losing a top hitting prospect for 3.5 years of a very good pitcher, just watch some russell/soler/baez/almora at-bats

then I’ll watch KB bat against a Mets pitcher and be immediately sad again

 

but then imagine if kb got to bat against our pitching

[Sammy Sofa]

I understand the deal, appreciate the value assessment, but I don't particularly love the deal. It's not an issue of Quintana. Love the contract, like the pitcher enough. It's more an issue that I'm not sure this team was at an all-in move position to thin out the system this much.

 

They would have been regardless of how well the team was doing right now; there's no way around how they needed to add to upgrade the starting rotation both this year and going forward.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

if you feel bad about losing a top hitting prospect for 3.5 years of a very good pitcher, just watch some russell/soler/baez/almora at-bats

then I’ll watch KB bat against a Mets pitcher and be immediately sad again

 

but then imagine if kb got to bat against our pitching

now I’m imagining russell/soler/baez/almora batting against our pitching, and they’re awesome again

[davell]

The system seems very thin. I'm not concerned at all. We've got ML depth to trade from, if we feel the need to make ANOTHER blockbuster.

 

We've got average to above average depth in the system currently. We also have a fair amount of high upside, breakout types.

 

As much as I love prospects, I don't give a horsefeathers if the system is outside the top 25. We can still make a blockbuster. And we've got plenty of stuff to get us smaller additions too.

 

Still kind of in shock we pulled this off. Sets us up soooooo horsefeathering good for a few years.

[UMFan83]

Everyone knows theres about an 85% chance Quintana allows a run in the first inning of his first start and there will be 4 variations of "I guess he's officially a cub" jokes made in the game thread right?

[David]

That Brewerfan thread is delightful. They're so glad the Cubs traded prospects for a good player since that means the prospects can't be good players for the Cubs or be traded for a good player later. Some also seem to think Quintana-caliber pitchers are regularly reaching Free Agency.

 

esp because the cubs are so screwed for the future now, esp with position players

[17 Seconds]

i feel like we kind of glossed over the guy who is in this thread arguing with himself on 3 different accounts

[Ding Dong Johnson]

i feel like we kind of glossed over the guy who is in this thread arguing with himself on 3 different accounts

that was a hell of a twist

[Outshined_One]

i feel like we kind of glossed over the guy who is in this thread arguing with himself on 3 different accounts

 

I've kinda gotten lazy about stomping that out over the last few years. My B.

[Perd]

I love this trade. Even more so because the news was broken by KatyPerrysButtHole.

[Sammy Sofa]

Dammit, does that mean Peterman got banned? That persona was cool.

[NonProfitCow]

i feel like we kind of glossed over the guy who is in this thread arguing with himself on 3 different accounts

and he tried scamming the HR Derby contest

[Aaron_Kennelly]

i feel like we kind of glossed over the guy who is in this thread arguing with himself on 3 different accounts

and he tried scamming the HR Derby contest

 

http://i.imgur.com/uv5VX0g.gif

[treebird]

rip peterman

 

too beautiful to live

[Ding Dong Johnson]

[David]

jose's twitter and instagram

 

 

https://www.instagram.com/jose_quintana24/

 

hasn't updated his twitter yet and hasn't tweeted in a while but has updated his insta

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BWgkd2Xh6n5/?taken-by=jose_quintana24

[littleburr24]

So i am both too lazy and too drunk to go through the last 10 pages. Who is going down/getting released for this move?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So i am both too lazy and too drunk to go through the last 10 pages. Who is going down/getting released for this move?

 

With Lackey technically on the DL, the active roster is at 24.

[David]

So i am both too lazy and too drunk to go through the last 10 pages. Who is going down/getting released for this move?

 

With Lackey technically on the DL, the active roster is at 24.

 

yeah but isn't he slated to pitch one of the upcoming games

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So i am both too lazy and too drunk to go through the last 10 pages. Who is going down/getting released for this move?

 

With Lackey technically on the DL, the active roster is at 24.

 

yeah but isn't he slated to pitch one of the upcoming games

 

I went back and checked that Sharma tweet and noticed Butler wasn't a part of the schedule(which included Montgomery twice), so when Lackey does need to come back on Tuesday then he's probably going back to Iowa.

[David]

Meh trade imo. I always thought Quintana was more of a #3 on a good team and I think we paid the price of getting an ace. Would MUCH rather have Archer, who might've been available in 2 weeks. Our farm system is now in the bottom 5 in baseball. We havent had very good drafts in the past 5 years outside of the first round.

 

I hate the fact that I will have to watch Eloy become a star on another team in the same city. It sucks.

 

I think I would have traded Almora/Candelario/Cease for a different guy. Agh

Lots and lots of wrong things here.

 

Did you do that on purpose?

 

I guess he did do it on purpose.