Bears offseason

[Guest]

I don't get it.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Bears are very bad and usually end up wasting/dragging down most promising offensive talent they stumble across.

 

The movement to have them relocated to St. Louis starts here.

[Guest]

I mean, Sumerian references are always funny, though. I just don't see why he's automatically bad. he looks pretty good and Pace has been a good talent evaluator thus far, and knows what a good QB looks like and needs to have.

[Sammy Sofa]

I mean, Sumerian references are always funny, though. I just don't see why he's automatically bad. he looks pretty good and Pace has been a good talent evaluator thus far, and knows what a good QB looks like and needs to have.

 

It's probably the general idea, fair or not, that so many players or coaches look good in NE and then magically aren't once they end up elsewhere on much worse teams with much worse coaching staffs and front offices.

[Guest]

I mean, Sumerian references are always funny, though. I just don't see why he's automatically bad. he looks pretty good and Pace has been a good talent evaluator thus far, and knows what a good QB looks like and needs to have.

 

It's probably the general idea, fair or not, that so many players or coaches look good in NE and then magically aren't once they end up elsewhere on much worse teams with much worse coaching staffs and front offices.

 

I get that, but he was highly thought of coming out of college. And just because some QB's look good coming out of NE and suck afterwards doesn't mean that they're going to suck away from NE.

[Sammy Sofa]

I mean, Sumerian references are always funny, though. I just don't see why he's automatically bad. he looks pretty good and Pace has been a good talent evaluator thus far, and knows what a good QB looks like and needs to have.

 

It's probably the general idea, fair or not, that so many players or coaches look good in NE and then magically aren't once they end up elsewhere on much worse teams with much worse coaching staffs and front offices.

 

I get that, but he was highly thought of coming out of college. And just because some QB's look good coming out of NE and suck afterwards doesn't mean that they're going to suck away from NE.

 

Sure, it's obviously not a lock, but the guy has really limited playing time he had was as part of a truly phenomenal offense under a great coaching staff. That doesn't mean he's an illusion, but any hope for future success with a team like the Bears is little more than a wish and a prayer. Regardless of how injuries sidetracked everything this year, the Bears are still potentially stuck in cycle not conducive at all to developing QB talent; if they stink again next year, you're likely looking at more coaching (and possibly FO) turnover yet again. Sure, if they were smart they ride out Cutler next year, especially if things go south in a hurry yet again, but how likely is that? If they go get Garoppolo do you really see them not trying to get him in there ASAP?

 

Basically I don't trust the Bears not to screw it up.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see why it's assumed he's going to be bad. he hasn't given any proof that he's not good.

 

I'd be okay with trading down to the Jets' pick, getting pick 39, flipping that to the Pats, along with maybe another later pick in 2018 for Garoppolo. That gives us the chance to draft Lattimore and King as well, which improves the team immensely.

 

But if that doesn't work, forget it, there are other options out there, unlike what happened with the Vikings and Eagles last year.

I'm not assuming he will be bad, I'm assuming the team that trades with New England for him will have done it poorly.

 

 

 

And if he comes to the Bears I will assume he will be bad.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Dude has Trump hands

 

I wouldn't mind him if you could get him for a late 1st Rd pick, but anything more then that forget it

[Guest]

I don't see why it's assumed he's going to be bad. he hasn't given any proof that he's not good.

 

I'd be okay with trading down to the Jets' pick, getting pick 39, flipping that to the Pats, along with maybe another later pick in 2018 for Garoppolo. That gives us the chance to draft Lattimore and King as well, which improves the team immensely.

 

But if that doesn't work, forget it, there are other options out there, unlike what happened with the Vikings and Eagles last year.

I'm not assuming he will be bad, I'm assuming the team that trades with New England for him will have done it poorly.

 

 

 

And if he comes to the Bears I will assume he will be bad.

 

for what reason? history?

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see why it's assumed he's going to be bad. he hasn't given any proof that he's not good.

 

I'd be okay with trading down to the Jets' pick, getting pick 39, flipping that to the Pats, along with maybe another later pick in 2018 for Garoppolo. That gives us the chance to draft Lattimore and King as well, which improves the team immensely.

 

But if that doesn't work, forget it, there are other options out there, unlike what happened with the Vikings and Eagles last year.

I'm not assuming he will be bad, I'm assuming the team that trades with New England for him will have done it poorly.

 

 

 

And if he comes to the Bears I will assume he will be bad.

 

for what reason? history?

no faith in coaching staff (in many things) especially when it comes to developing a QB. And when they are eventually replaced the next staff will have to deal with him and that turnover never works.

[Guest]

I'm not assuming he will be bad, I'm assuming the team that trades with New England for him will have done it poorly.

 

 

 

And if he comes to the Bears I will assume he will be bad.

 

for what reason? history?

no faith in coaching staff (in many things) especially when it comes to developing a QB. And when they are eventually replaced the next staff will have to deal with him and that turnover never works.

 

Fair enough, but I'm willing to give them a chance. historically, the Bears offensive staff has been unable to develop a QB, but the jury's still out on the current staff for me.

[davell]

Anyone think Glennon at 12 mill a year and keeping all your picks is conceivably as good of an option as trading assets for Garoppolo?

[UMFan83]

Anyone think Glennon at 12 mill a year and keeping all your picks is conceivably as good of an option as trading assets for Garoppolo?

 

Meh Glennon is low ceiling QB. Not saying he's bad but if you're signing him you are still looking for your QB of the future.

[Sammy Sofa]

Obviously this applies to more teams than just the Bears, but WTF:

 

http://deadspin.com/nflpa-to-steer-players-away-from-bears-if-illinois-pass-1792002975

 

The NFL Players Association will warn free agents not to sign with the Bears if the Illinois State Senate passes a new bill designed to cut off workers’ compensation disability benefits to professional athletes at age 35, rather than the current mark of age 67.

 

The bill is reportedly backed by the Bears’ owners, the McCaskey family, according to NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. The McCaskey family has not made a public statement.

 

“I will tell you from the bottom of my heart that this union will tell every potential free-agent player, if this bill passes, to not come to the Bears,” Smith told Chicago radio station 670-AM. “Because, think about it, if you’re a free-agent player and you have an opportunity to go play somewhere else where you can get lifetime medical for the injury you’re going to have, isn’t a smarter financial decision to go to a team where a bill like this hasn’t passed?”

 

Is there anything about the McCaskeys that doesn't suck?

[davell]

Obviously this applies to more teams than just the Bears, but WTF:

 

http://deadspin.com/nflpa-to-steer-players-away-from-bears-if-illinois-pass-1792002975

 

The NFL Players Association will warn free agents not to sign with the Bears if the Illinois State Senate passes a new bill designed to cut off workers’ compensation disability benefits to professional athletes at age 35, rather than the current mark of age 67.

 

The bill is reportedly backed by the Bears’ owners, the McCaskey family, according to NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. The McCaskey family has not made a public statement.

 

“I will tell you from the bottom of my heart that this union will tell every potential free-agent player, if this bill passes, to not come to the Bears,” Smith told Chicago radio station 670-AM. “Because, think about it, if you’re a free-agent player and you have an opportunity to go play somewhere else where you can get lifetime medical for the injury you’re going to have, isn’t a smarter financial decision to go to a team where a bill like this hasn’t passed?”

 

Is there anything about the McCaskeys that doesn't suck?

 

Am I reading that wrong? It seems that's an Illinois state bill, not a national one.

 

If so......Good horsefeathering God.

[Sammy Sofa]

Obviously this applies to more teams than just the Bears, but WTF:

 

http://deadspin.com/nflpa-to-steer-players-away-from-bears-if-illinois-pass-1792002975

 

The NFL Players Association will warn free agents not to sign with the Bears if the Illinois State Senate passes a new bill designed to cut off workers’ compensation disability benefits to professional athletes at age 35, rather than the current mark of age 67.

 

The bill is reportedly backed by the Bears’ owners, the McCaskey family, according to NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith. The McCaskey family has not made a public statement.

 

“I will tell you from the bottom of my heart that this union will tell every potential free-agent player, if this bill passes, to not come to the Bears,” Smith told Chicago radio station 670-AM. “Because, think about it, if you’re a free-agent player and you have an opportunity to go play somewhere else where you can get lifetime medical for the injury you’re going to have, isn’t a smarter financial decision to go to a team where a bill like this hasn’t passed?”

 

Is there anything about the McCaskeys that doesn't suck?

 

Am I reading that wrong? It seems that's an Illinois state bill, not a national one.

 

Right; the "more teams" part is referring to other teams based in Illinois. This wouldn't just impact football.

[davell]

Anyone think Glennon at 12 mill a year and keeping all your picks is conceivably as good of an option as trading assets for Garoppolo?

 

Meh Glennon is low ceiling QB. Not saying he's bad but if you're signing him you are still looking for your QB of the future.

 

I'm not necessarily arguing that. But, he was considered a rather high upside type as a 3rd round pick. He's just 27 and hasn't played in 2 seasons, after being average prior to that. On a team that wasn't exactly good. Are we SURE he is as good as he's going to be?

 

Its more of a question for me of how SURE we are on Garoppolo. If he's average(or worse), we're STILL likely stuck with him for 2 years AND you're out some solid picks too.

 

I'd rather just be stuck with an average QB and not having already spent up pick collateral on the position, than the opposite.

 

I'm asking. I haven't watched Glennon since college, where I kind of liked him. If the upside of these guys is even close to the same, I'd rather take the guy that just costs money. Because it'd at least be easier to stomach making a high pick at the spot the following year, if you haven't already done it the prior one too.

 

Is Garappolo's true upside THAT much more than Glennon's is?

[davell]

Obviously this applies to more teams than just the Bears, but WTF:

 

http://deadspin.com/nflpa-to-steer-players-away-from-bears-if-illinois-pass-1792002975

 

 

 

Is there anything about the McCaskeys that doesn't suck?

 

Am I reading that wrong? It seems that's an Illinois state bill, not a national one.

 

Right; the "more teams" part is referring to other teams based in Illinois. This wouldn't just impact football.

 

And Smith kind of insinuates this isn't something that's out there in other states yet.(My interpretation anyway). I wonder what the odds are of it passing?

 

Seriously, football kind of makes me feel dirty to watch, as it is. Adding something like this, while seeing these 80 year old goblins sitting in their boxes, eating catered five star meals, cheering while their players are shortening their lives.....And them supporting it, by tightening up medical even more? I'd probably be done.

[Guest]

Anyone think Glennon at 12 mill a year and keeping all your picks is conceivably as good of an option as trading assets for Garoppolo?

 

No. We know Glennon is bad.

[davell]

Musical chairs for QB's......

 

Teams likely to have a new QB for 2017- Buffalo, NYJ, Cleveland, Houston, Denver, Chicago, Arizona, SF

 

Denver won't take one in the draft and may use someone on their roster. Arizona is waiting to see if Palmer retires.

 

Teams with older QB's that could draft one early to groom- Pittsburgh, KC, Chargers, Giants, Saints

 

There's chatter Roethlisberger is considering retirement, although its not likely. The others have their guy, but they could look towards the future.

 

I'm not bringing up Washington, because I don't see them losing Cousins

 

Current FA that may or will land a starters job- Glennon, Schaub(rumored as a stopgap in SF), Fitzpatrick, Hoyer(obviously, a team is hating life with most of these guys)

 

Trade Options- Garoppolo and McCarron

 

Soon to be FA(or traded)

 

Romo, Taylor, Cutler, Kaepernick, Osweiler(if Houston does move on.....

 

Ranking the FA.....(obviously subjective)

 

Taylor, Romo, Glennon, Cutler, Kaepernick, Osweiler, Schaub, Hoyer, Fitzpatrick

 

Rumors on teams

 

Cleveland- Taylor, Garoppolo or draft

Buffalo-Cutler or draft

NYJ- Taylor, Glennon, or draft

Houston- Cutler, Taylor, or Romo

Chicago- Garoppolo or draft

Denver- Romo or go with Lynch

Arizona- ?????

SF- Garoppolo or draft

 

 

I don't know if I can picture a team trading for McCarron, but for the Bears sake, I hope someone does. It also helps the Bears if Denver stands pat.

 

Cleveland has plenty of ammo, so my bet would be they get Garoppolo or take a guy at 12. Currently, Buffalo looks to be the safest bet to draft a QB first, at 10. Arizona is a wild card, if Cleveland goes with a FA or trade, I can see Arizona having their choice of anyone in the draft at 13, outside of who Buffalo takes.

 

If Cleveland gets Garoppolo, I can see Buffalo, Arizona, and SF being the teams possibly looking for an immediate starter, that'd take a QB prior to the Bears in the 2nd.

 

The key to me, is whether the Steelers, Giants, Chiefs, Chargers, or Saints take a QB in the 1st. If NONE of them do, the Bears will have at least one of Watson, Trubisky, Kizer, or Mahomes available to them at 36.

 

My early guesses at QB rhoulette.....

 

Cleveland gets Garoppolo

SF signs Schaub and takes Trubisky at 34.

Chicago- Signs Romo and gets Mahomes at 36.

NYJ- sign Taylor

Buffalo- draft Watson at 10

Arizona- signs Glennon

Denver- goes with Lynch

Houston- signs Cutler

 

Pittsburgh drafts Kizer at 30

 

Giants, Chargers, Saints, and KC wait and take a QB later. (Webb, Peterman, Kayya, Evans)

[UMFan83]

The Bears signing Romo would go about as well as the Bulls signing Wade.

[Guest]

The Bears signing Romo would go about as well as the Bulls signing Wade.

 

Nah, the Bears have some young talent, and if Pace drafts lime he did last year, the Bears will be looking good.

 

Romo would be a great addition, it's not like his skills have been obviously diminishing.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears signing Romo would go about as well as the Bulls signing Wade.

 

Nah, the Bears have some young talent, and if Pace drafts lime he did last year, the Bears will be looking good.

 

Romo would be a great addition, it's not like his skills have been obviously diminishing.

 

No, but his ability to walk upright has been.

It's hard to clearly show diminishing skills when you aren't on the field to prove it.

[jersey cubs fan]

[jumbo]

For those debating how good the Bears front seven is, consider this from PFF. Bears rank 23rd

 

https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-ranking-all-32-defensive-front-sevens-this-season/