Bears offseason

[davell]

Mayock says Trubisky is going to measure out at 6'1, instead of 6'3. Its not going to shock me if he's there at or near our 2nd rounder......

[WrigleyField 22]

Mayock says Trubisky is going to measure out at 6'1, instead of 6'3. Its not going to shock me if he's there at or near our 2nd rounder......

Interesting... I'd be more concerned about his one year experience, but all those little knocks add up.

 

Saw some quotes from Pace yesterday that game experience and raising the level of his team around him are two traits important in a QB. Both those things could be knocks on Trubisky and Kizer. Both bode well for Watson. All his other picks indicates he values measurables...

[David]

if he actually fell to the 2nd i'd be all for that pick, obviously

 

the nfl draft is freaking crazy.

[UMFan83]

if he actually fell to the 2nd i'd be all for that pick, obviously

 

the nfl draft is freaking crazy.

 

Same, would definitely take in 2nd...maybe even consider trading into the mid-20's for him. Definitely do not want any of the QBs at 3.

[David]

also i will be very disappointed if we take watson at #3

 

would be happy to be wrong, obviously

[David]

 

 

would this guy be a quality addition to the Bears staff?

 

I wanted him at coach, but I'd love him as OC. But didn't he get demoted in favor of Earl Bennett?

 

He'd be a great addition to work with QB's.

 

I still think Loggains did a pretty good job with what he had.

 

i was so so so confused by this post then i realized edgar bennett is a coach for gb

[jersey cubs fan]

i was so so so confused by this post then i realized edgar bennett is a coach for gb

I had no idea Edgar Bennett, former GB and Bears RB, was the GB OC. Seems like I should have know that one.

[WrigleyField 22]

also i will be very disappointed if we take watson at #3

 

would be happy to be wrong, obviously

I still want him, but certainly like some of the other options. So I guess I dont like him enough to come say I told you so if he is the next great QB and we pass.

[minnesotacubsfan]

also i will be very disappointed if we take watson at #3

 

would be happy to be wrong, obviously

 

 

What

[David]

also i will be very disappointed if we take watson at #3

 

would be happy to be wrong, obviously

 

 

What

 

What are you asking?

[minnesotacubsfan]

I don't understand why'd you be happy to be wrong, as in if you found yourself happy to draft Watson

 

I think I know what you're saying, it just reads funny

[David]

I don't understand why'd you be happy to be wrong, as in if you found yourself happy to draft Watson

 

I think I know what you're saying, it just reads funny

 

i'm saying i would be happy to be wrong about my disappointment.

[davell]

If the Pats offer you Garoppolo straight up for pick 36, do you take it?

 

There's differing opinions on what his value is, but I think I'd take this and be happy.

[David]

If the Pats offer you Garoppolo straight up for pick 36, do you take it?

 

There's differing opinions on what his value is, but I think I'd take this and be happy.

 

Wouldn't think twice about saying yes.

[jersey cubs fan]

If the Pats offer you Garoppolo straight up for pick 36, do you take it?

 

There's differing opinions on what his value is, but I think I'd take this and be happy.

 

Wouldn't think twice about saying yes.

I wouldn't even consider that move.

[davell]

If the Pats offer you Garoppolo straight up for pick 36, do you take it?

 

There's differing opinions on what his value is, but I think I'd take this and be happy.

 

Wouldn't think twice about saying yes.

I wouldn't even consider that move.

 

Pats produced system type? No confidence it translates elsewhere, I guess?

 

I have gone round and round trying to figure out my ideal 2017 QB situation....

 

1. Sign Taylor and take a developmental guy in the 3rd or 4th

2. Get Garoppolo for a 2nd.(Have this over option 3 strictly because he can play immediately)

3. Resign Hoyer, get Trubisky, Kizer, or Mahomes at 36.(Watson too, but truly think he's safely off the board)

4. Trade down in the 1st, to 10-15 range, accumulate picks, and still get 1 of those 4 QBs, at that spot.

5. Sign Romo, after he's been cut. Draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th.

[jersey cubs fan]

Garopolo is garapalarbage

[minnesotacubsfan]

Garopolo is garapalarbage

 

 

I loved it, and I'll quote it

[raw]

The thing about Garoppolo isn't that he's necessarily terrible. He's only started twice in 3 years and he's been pretty good when he's been on the field (over 100 QB rating), but he only has 94 career passes thrown. He would cost the 36th pick (at least) and he's also a FA after the 2017 season. Which means you either have to negotiate a contract extension (along with or right after the trade) to pay a guy 18M/year that you don't even know can actually play. Based on the contracts of Tyrod Taylor and Brock Osweiler, 18M is the going rate for a likely middle of the road at best QB that doesn't have much starting experience. And this doesn't get into the unsuccessful history of A) teams trading for Patriots QBs that have looked good in limited duty (Cassel, Mallett) or B) the Bears trading for another team's QB instead of picking their own. Oh yeah, and he could actually be terrible.

[jersey cubs fan]

I know a guy they could have for $16m and no loss of draft picks.

[raw]

 

Wouldn't think twice about saying yes.

I wouldn't even consider that move.

 

Pats produced system type? No confidence it translates elsewhere, I guess?

 

I have gone round and round trying to figure out my ideal 2017 QB situation....

 

1. Sign Taylor and take a developmental guy in the 3rd or 4th

2. Get Garoppolo for a 2nd.(Have this over option 3 strictly because he can play immediately)

3. Resign Hoyer, get Trubisky, Kizer, or Mahomes at 36.(Watson too, but truly think he's safely off the board)

4. Trade down in the 1st, to 10-15 range, accumulate picks, and still get 1 of those 4 QBs, at that spot.

5. Sign Romo, after he's been cut. Draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th.

 

Developmental QBs in the 3rd or 4th don't typically work out. All the options that include a 3rd or 4th round pick, would be better served if the Bears either go after Mahomes at 36 or just take an actual player with one of those top 110 picks with a chance to be something. Also, Romo is dead. If you get him (and pay him several millions of dollars) you'd need a much better backup QB than a mid-round pick, who is likely going to play several games for a team that will likely be really bad because of this fact.

 

The trade down makes no sense. Why not just actually make a pick at QB at 3 instead of settling for 1 of 4 who may/may not be there?

[raw]

I know a guy they could have for $16m and no loss of draft picks.

 

Mike Glennon also sucks.

 

Oh as does Jay Cutler, who you need to seriously get over trying to keep as a thing.

[WrigleyField 22]

I know a guy they could have for $16m and no loss of draft picks.

 

Mike Glennon also sucks.

 

Oh as does Jay Cutler, who you need to seriously get over trying to keep as a thing.

He's not a "thing". He is our only QB under contract though.

[davell]

I know a guy they could have for $16m and no loss of draft picks.

 

Mike Glennon also sucks.

 

Oh as does Jay Cutler, who you need to seriously get over trying to keep as a thing.

 

I'm not advocating keeping Jay. But he's on a contract that allows for him to be cut at any point with no true cap hit. That alone has value for us right now. Especially if you don't think one of these QBs is worth the 3rd pick.

 

It doesn't make any sense that you don't want to take a flyer on a QB later, where you site wanting to find a guy that can play. Yet, are willing to reach on one at 3, where its obvious none of them are BPA at THAT spot, nor know for sure(even remotely) that any of THIS group is an actual franchise type.

 

Plus, as has been mentioned, its highly unlikely that the Pace/Fox tandem take one at 3, since its unlikely they'll be of much impact in a very important season for each of them. A later pick allows POSSIBLE development, and flexibility moving forward to using another much higher pick on one.

[raw]

I know a guy they could have for $16m and no loss of draft picks.

 

Mike Glennon also sucks.

 

Oh as does Jay Cutler, who you need to seriously get over trying to keep as a thing.

 

I'm not advocating keeping Jay. But he's on a contract that allows for him to be cut at any point with no true cap hit. That alone has value for us right now. Especially if you don't think one of these QBs is worth the 3rd pick.

 

It doesn't make any sense that you don't want to take a flyer on a QB later, where you site wanting to find a guy that can play. Yet, are willing to reach on one at 3, where its obvious none of them are BPA at THAT spot, nor know for sure(even remotely) that any of THIS group is an actual franchise type.

 

Plus, as has been mentioned, its highly unlikely that the Pace/Fox tandem take one at 3, since its unlikely they'll be of much impact in a very important season for each of them. A later pick allows POSSIBLE development, and flexibility moving forward to using another much higher pick on one.

 

You're speaking as if this stuff is fact. It's not "obvious" none of the QBs are BPA at the 3rd pick. Even if it that part was obvious, it is FACTUAL that QB is the most important position on any football team anywhere on Earth. So, reaching for the most important position in sports is certainly more beneficial than taking the BPA at say, safety, if both players work out. And if the player you pick doesn't work out, the reason won't be because it is a reach....but because the GM sucked at drafting, the coaching staff sucked at developing, or a combination thereof.

 

I also don't know where you're getting your "highly unlikely" thing from. I think this season is much more important to Fox than it is to Pace. Pace just drafted the 2nd leading rusher in the league, a lineman with pro bowl upside as soon as next year, a potential double digit sack edge rusher, the year after drafting a pro bowl potential DL and starting S. I don't think Pace is going to be fired without having a chance to take a franchise QB, especially after he inherited Cutler's contract situation and a team at rock bottom. And strangely enough, Fox doesn't make draft picks.