Bears offseason

[UMFan83]

So I decided to play around with the fanspeak Manage the Cap and On The Clock

 

Any way to play around with those things without paying?

 

Signed,

 

Cheapass

[davell]

I did the mock draft part of that site and wound up with.....

 

3) Edge- Myles Garrett

36) QB- Deshaun Watson

67) S- Justin Evans

109) TE- Jake Butt

115) CB- Cameron Sutton

148- WR Malachi Dupree

224- LB Ben Boulware

 

I'll take it and run.....

Ha, any time I get Garret I just do it over figuring its not realistic.

 

Would love Watson at 36, but I do think you'd have to trade up into late round 1 if he starts falling.

 

Yeah, I should have done that too lol.

 

With the QB's, it seems to me that the current buzz is Trubisky is a top 5 lock. Mahomes looks like he's gained a lot of buzz as the big upside/great makeup type that looks like a top 20 lock.

 

Watson and Kizer aren't getting talked about a lot. It won't shock me to see one of these 4,(likely one of Watson/Kizer) to be on the board at 33 for Cleveland to pick or trade out.

[David]

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[WrigleyField 22]

So I decided to play around with the fanspeak Manage the Cap and On The Clock

 

Any way to play around with those things without paying?

 

Signed,

 

Cheapass

Both are free as separate games. I think thete is a preium version that combines it into one game and has advanced features like draft trades...

 

http://fanspeak.com/mtc/

http://fanspeak.com/ontheclock/

[raw]

So I decided to play around with the fanspeak Manage the Cap and On The Clock

 

Re-Signed

Alshon Jeffery, WR

Ted Larsen, OG

Brian Hoyer, QB

Cornelius Washington, DL

Deonte Thompson, WR

Connor Shaw, QB

Bringing back Jeffery is a must if we want any chance at decent offense next year. Thompson and Washington are good ST and depth guys. Larsen a good OL depth guy. Not much else worth keeping after this. (Cut - Cutler, Houston, Royal)

 

FA Signings

DJ Swearinger, S

Dontari Poe, NT

Melvin Ingram, OLB

Logan Ryan, CB

Kai Forbath, K

Mychal Rivera, TE

-Honestly, felt a bit unrealistic, even with all the money they have to burn. But getting another top notch rusher to go with our current group, filling two secondary gaps, and a big time DL... all would be great gets. Hindsight though, the big money Poe will command probably wouldnt be worth it and you could get a couple mid range guys at positions like WR, S, CB, and DL. Rivera is a decent young TE. Looked at WR and couldn't come to terms with any, but adding one, particularly one to stretch the field, would be my goal. Probably would look for some other depth signings as well (RB, OT, LB, DL).

 

The Draft

3: QB Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina

-What can I say, I'm coming around. Could still be Watson. Or no QB at all. Lots of time left to figure out this pick.

36: CB Cordrea Tankersley, Clemson

-Good value and the size Fangio likes to see... should be plenty of good CB prospects around at this slot...

67: OT Roderick Johnson, Florida State

-Projection pick here. Nice and long frame and can run block, just needs some time and coaching.

109: WR Juju Smith-Schuster, USC

-Fit wise, not exactly what you'd say we need in a WR. Still the value felt right.

115: OLB Daeshon Hall, Texas A&M

-Sure, not the edge rusher you want from Texas A&M, but always good to add some pass rush prospects

148: LB Connor Harris, Lindenwood

-The small school guy may project as a special teamer and reserve, but gotta love the production, all time NCAA tackles leader

224: OLB/DE Trey Hendrickson, Florida Atlantic

-Another good production guy. Might be an akward 3-4 scheme fit, but get him on board and plan to stash him on the Practice squad while you try and figure it out.

 

Projected 53 man/depth (bubble players/camp bodies/PS)

QB Brian Hoyer, Mitch Trubisky, (Connor Shaw)

RB Jordan Howard, Jeremy Langford, Ka'Deem Carey, (Bralon Addison, David Cobb)

FB (Paul Lasike)

WR Cameron Meredith, Juju Smith Shuster, Deonte Thompson, (Reuben Randle)

WR Alshon Jeffery, Kevin White, Josh Bellamy, (Daniel Braverman)

TE Zach Miller, Mychal Rivera, Daniel Brown, (Mycole Pruitt, Ben Braunecker)

LT Charles Leno Jr., Roderick Johnson

LG Josh Sitton, Ted Larsen

C Cody Whitehair (Hroniss Grasu)

RG Kyle Long, Eric Kush, (Cornelius Edison)

RT Bobby Massie, Mike Adams

 

DE Eddie Goldman, Cornelius Washington, Jonathan Bullard

NT Dontari Poe, Will Sutton, (CJ Wilson)

DE Akiem Hicks, Mitch Unrein (Ego Ferguson)

OLB Melvin Ingram, Willie Young, Daeshon Hall

OLB Pernell McPhee, Leonard Floyd, (Trey Hendrickson)

ILB Jerrell Freeman, Connor Harris, (Christian Jones)

ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Danny Trevathan*, John Timu (Jonathan Anderson)

CB Logan Ryan, Cre'Von LeBlanc, Bryce Callahan, (Kyle Fuller)

CB Cordrea Tankersly, Tracy Porter, Deiondre' Hall, (Sherrick McManis, Jacoby Glenn)

S DJ Swearinger, Harold Jones-Quartey, (Demontre Hurst)

S Adrian Amos, Deon Bush, DeAndre Houston-Carson

 

K Kai Forbath

P Pat O'Donnell

LS Patrick Scales

 

*counting Trevanthan as PUP

 

Re-signed

Alshon Jeffery

Brian Hoyer

Deonte Thompson

Sam Acho

Cornelius Washington

 

FA Signings

CB, AJ Bouye, Houston

TE, Jack Doyle, Indianapolis

S, Duron Harmon, New England

DT, Ian Williams, San Francisco

 

 

Draft

3- Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina

36- Adoree Jackson, CB, USC

67- Obi Melifonwu, S, UConn

109- Taiwan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky

115- Dalvin Tomlinson, DL, Alabama

148- Daeshon Hall, OLB, Texas A&M

224- Elijah McGuire, RB, UL Lafayette

 

QB Brian Hoyer, Mitch Trubisky, Connor Shaw

RB Jordan Howard, Jeremy Langford, Ka'Deem Carey, Elijah McGuire

WR Cameron Meredith, Taywan Taylor, Deonte Thompson,

WR Alshon Jeffery, Kevin White, Daniel Braverman

TE Zach Miller, Jack Doyle, Daniel Brown, Mycole Pruitt

LT Charles Leno Jr.,

LG Josh Sitton,

C Cody Whitehair, Hroniss Grasu

RG Kyle Long, Eric Kush,

RT Bobby Massie,

 

DE Eddie Goldman, Cornelius Washington,

NT Ian Williams, Dalvin Tomlinson

DE Akiem Hicks, Jonathan Bullard

OLB Willie Young, Sam Acho, Daeshon Hall

OLB Pernell McPhee, Leonard Floyd,

ILB Jerrell Freeman, John Timu

ILB Nick Kwiatkoski, Danny Trevathan*,

CB AJ Bouye, Cre'Von LeBlanc, Bryce Callahan

CB Deiondre' Hall, Adoree Jackson, Kyle Fuller

S Obi Melifonwu, Deon Bush,

S Duron Harmon, Adrian Amos, DeAndre Houston-Carson

[davell]

Cut- QB Cutler, WR Royal, Edge Houston, RT Massie, CB Porter

 

Re-Sign

 

WR Jeffery

WR/ST Thompson

OL Larsen

Edge Washington

QB Hoyer

 

Free Agency

 

DT Dontari Poe

LT Andrew Whitworth

CB AJ Bouye, Stephon Gilmore

S Tony Jefferson

 

Draft

3) S Jamal Adams

36) QB Deshone Kizer

67) TE Jordan Leggett

109) OT Taylor Moton

115) WR Noah Brown

148) TE Gerald Everett

224) S David Jones

 

QB Hoyer, Kizer

RB Howard, Carey, Langford

WR Jeffery, White, Thompson

WR Meredith, Brown, Bellamy

TE Miller, Everett, Rivera

TE Leggett, Pruitt, Brown

LT Whitworth, Adams

RT Leno, Moton

LG Sitton, Larsen

RG Long, Kush

C Whitehair, Grasu

 

Edge Goldman, Washington, Bullard

NT Poe, Sutton

Edge Hicks, Unrein

OLB McPhee, Young

OLB Floyd, FA backup

ILB Freeman, Jones

ILB kwiatkowski, Timu, Trevathan

CB Bouye, Leblanc, Callahan

CB Gilmore, Fuller, Hall

S Adams, Amos, Jones-Quartey

S Jefferson, Bush, Jones

 

I got too cute with Whitworth, who I love. I doubt we move Leno to pick him up, and cut Massie. But, if we could somehow add Bouye, Gilmore, Jefferson, and Poe in FA.....I'd be ecstatic.

 

Adams at 3 seems like a long term Pro Bowler. Kizer falling to 36 is a steal. If one of the 4 QB's hadn't fell, I'd have reached in the 3rd for Webb. Leggett in the 3rd was a nice get too. Moton is there in the 4th to develop behind Whitworth. Brown was a decent value at WR in the 4th. Everett in the 5th wouldn't happen, with Leggett already drafted. But he was an excellent value and liked the idea of multiple TE sets longterm, so I took him. Jones in the 7th was depth/ST.

 

Edit- The general idea is this for me.....Go with Hoyer at QB and use 36 and a pick from next year, to secure one of Mahomes, Kizer, or Watson. Assuming you've got to move back into the 20's to get one of them.

 

Forget the Whitworth move and just keep Massie. It'd be really nice to add Cordarelle Patterson, to give us a great returner again. If you can do that, I wouldn't mind packaging the 2 4ths to move into the 3rd and add Andrew Garcia as a Tackle. Then use the 5th and 7th on the secondary.

 

At any rate, if you can address the D in FA in a way similar to what was added, it allows for the offense to be the focus in the draft, after taking Adams. Our D, with the additions of a brand new secondary and a NT.....I do think that's a top 5 defense, even if Trevathan misses the season.

 

Can Hoyer take this team to the playoffs? With a really good D, I guess its possible. Especially if White or Patterson comes out OK as the 3rd WR. If he looks bad, you can conceivably throw the non Trubisky QB out there in the 2nd half of the season to give him experience and see if he can win some games that Hoyer couldn't.

[Guest]

Bouye and Gilmore would be a ridiculous offseason. If Pace can get Whitworth, too, then the Bears are in business.

[jumbo]

I think EDGE is either a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB

[Guest]

I think EDGE is either a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB

 

Considering Goldman is listed as an edge, I really doubt that.

[raw]

So, would anyone do a trade of the #3 pick Brandin Cooks and the 11th overall pick (maybe a couple other picks exchanged, with NO giving up more value)?

 

There was the rumor late in the season that Brandin Cooks could be on the trade block from New Orleans. Cooks made a big stink after a game in which he had 0 targets, and the rumors started. But they could be pretty legit. Cooks is a FA after 2017, and he was surpassed by rookie, Michael Thomas as the team's leading WR. The Saints also have Willie Snead who has put up strong numbers 2 years in a row. The Saints are constantly up against the cap and there is little chance they pay Cooks #1 WR money when he was a legitimate 3rd option for many games this past season.

 

For the Saints, they get something for Cooks instead of letting him walk after the season. At 11, they probably just miss out on the top defensive game-changing talents in the draft. So, if they could move up to #3 they could get their pick of any defensive prospect other than Garrett. They have huge needs at DE (Solomon Thomas), CB (Marshon Lattimore), LB (Foster), and could use a S to replace the bust signing that has been Jairus Byrd (Hooker, Adams), and could get their hands on a player that otherwise won't be there if they stand pat. Trading Cooks also gives them a means to move up in the draft without giving up another high draft pick.

 

For the Bears, Cooks would provide an alternative to re-signing Alshon Jeffery. He'd be cheap for this year, before you'd have to re-sign him to a similar deal as Jeffery. But Cooks has been completely healthy the last 2 years, has great speed and big play ability. Pace was with the Saints when they drafted Cooks and presumably likes him as a player. Not to mention there should be a natural opening for trade talks with Pace and his former team. Unfortunately though, this trade only makes sense for the Bears if they have already traded their 2nd for Jimmy Garoppolo or signed Kirk Cousins.

 

But if the Bears are dead set on not paying Jeffery the money he wants and don't love any of the QB prospects, I think I'd be OK with a haul of Garoppolo, Cooks, #11 and a 4th round pick for #3, #36, and a 2018 conditional pick.

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So, would anyone do a trade of the #3 pick Brandin Cooks and the 11th overall pick (maybe a couple other picks exchanged, with NO giving up more value)?

 

There was the rumor late in the season that Brandin Cooks could be on the trade block from New Orleans. Cooks made a big stink after a game in which he had 0 targets, and the rumors started. But they could be pretty legit. Cooks is a FA after 2017, and he was surpassed by rookie, Michael Thomas as the team's leading WR. The Saints also have Willie Snead who has put up strong numbers 2 years in a row. The Saints are constantly up against the cap and there is little chance they pay Cooks #1 WR money when he was a legitimate 3rd option for many games this past season.

 

For the Saints, they get something for Cooks instead of letting him walk after the season. At 11, they probably just miss out on the top defensive game-changing talents in the draft. So, if they could move up to #3 they could get their pick of any defensive prospect other than Garrett. They have huge needs at DE (Solomon Thomas), CB (Marshon Lattimore), LB (Foster), and could use a S to replace the bust signing that has been Jairus Byrd (Hooker, Adams), and could get their hands on a player that otherwise won't be there if they stand pat. Trading Cooks also gives them a means to move up in the draft without giving up another high draft pick.

 

For the Bears, Cooks would provide an alternative to re-signing Alshon Jeffery. He'd be cheap for this year, before you'd have to re-sign him to a similar deal as Jeffery. But Cooks has been completely healthy the last 2 years, has great speed and big play ability. Pace was with the Saints when they drafted Cooks and presumably likes him as a player. Not to mention there should be a natural opening for trade talks with Pace and his former team. Unfortunately though, this trade only makes sense for the Bears if they have already traded their 2nd for Jimmy Garoppolo or signed Kirk Cousins.

 

But if the Bears are dead set on not paying Jeffery the money he wants and don't love any of the QB prospects, I think I'd be OK with a haul of Garoppolo, Cooks, #11 and a 4th round pick for #3, #36, and a 2018 conditional pick.

I think I'd rather take my choice of impact player at 3 and possibly at QB at 36. Though, it largely depends on your evaluation of Garappolo. If you're really sold on Garappolo, a lot makes sense, though in your scenario, the Cooks thing can still be totally independent of that.

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I think EDGE is either a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB

 

Considering Goldman is listed as an edge, I really doubt that.

I dont think hes supposed to be though. Seems like user error.

[raw]

So, would anyone do a trade of the #3 pick Brandin Cooks and the 11th overall pick (maybe a couple other picks exchanged, with NO giving up more value)?

 

There was the rumor late in the season that Brandin Cooks could be on the trade block from New Orleans. Cooks made a big stink after a game in which he had 0 targets, and the rumors started. But they could be pretty legit. Cooks is a FA after 2017, and he was surpassed by rookie, Michael Thomas as the team's leading WR. The Saints also have Willie Snead who has put up strong numbers 2 years in a row. The Saints are constantly up against the cap and there is little chance they pay Cooks #1 WR money when he was a legitimate 3rd option for many games this past season.

 

For the Saints, they get something for Cooks instead of letting him walk after the season. At 11, they probably just miss out on the top defensive game-changing talents in the draft. So, if they could move up to #3 they could get their pick of any defensive prospect other than Garrett. They have huge needs at DE (Solomon Thomas), CB (Marshon Lattimore), LB (Foster), and could use a S to replace the bust signing that has been Jairus Byrd (Hooker, Adams), and could get their hands on a player that otherwise won't be there if they stand pat. Trading Cooks also gives them a means to move up in the draft without giving up another high draft pick.

 

For the Bears, Cooks would provide an alternative to re-signing Alshon Jeffery. He'd be cheap for this year, before you'd have to re-sign him to a similar deal as Jeffery. But Cooks has been completely healthy the last 2 years, has great speed and big play ability. Pace was with the Saints when they drafted Cooks and presumably likes him as a player. Not to mention there should be a natural opening for trade talks with Pace and his former team. Unfortunately though, this trade only makes sense for the Bears if they have already traded their 2nd for Jimmy Garoppolo or signed Kirk Cousins.

 

But if the Bears are dead set on not paying Jeffery the money he wants and don't love any of the QB prospects, I think I'd be OK with a haul of Garoppolo, Cooks, #11 and a 4th round pick for #3, #36, and a 2018 conditional pick.

I think I'd rather take my choice of impact player at 3 and possibly at QB at 36. Though, it largely depends on your evaluation of Garappolo. If you're really sold on Garappolo, a lot makes sense, though in your scenario, the Cooks thing can still be totally independent of that.

 

I'm not sold on Garoppolo, but where there's smoke there's fire and it sure seems like Pace has been sold on him since his days in NOLA.

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So, would anyone do a trade of the #3 pick Brandin Cooks and the 11th overall pick (maybe a couple other picks exchanged, with NO giving up more value)?

 

There was the rumor late in the season that Brandin Cooks could be on the trade block from New Orleans. Cooks made a big stink after a game in which he had 0 targets, and the rumors started. But they could be pretty legit. Cooks is a FA after 2017, and he was surpassed by rookie, Michael Thomas as the team's leading WR. The Saints also have Willie Snead who has put up strong numbers 2 years in a row. The Saints are constantly up against the cap and there is little chance they pay Cooks #1 WR money when he was a legitimate 3rd option for many games this past season.

 

For the Saints, they get something for Cooks instead of letting him walk after the season. At 11, they probably just miss out on the top defensive game-changing talents in the draft. So, if they could move up to #3 they could get their pick of any defensive prospect other than Garrett. They have huge needs at DE (Solomon Thomas), CB (Marshon Lattimore), LB (Foster), and could use a S to replace the bust signing that has been Jairus Byrd (Hooker, Adams), and could get their hands on a player that otherwise won't be there if they stand pat. Trading Cooks also gives them a means to move up in the draft without giving up another high draft pick.

 

For the Bears, Cooks would provide an alternative to re-signing Alshon Jeffery. He'd be cheap for this year, before you'd have to re-sign him to a similar deal as Jeffery. But Cooks has been completely healthy the last 2 years, has great speed and big play ability. Pace was with the Saints when they drafted Cooks and presumably likes him as a player. Not to mention there should be a natural opening for trade talks with Pace and his former team. Unfortunately though, this trade only makes sense for the Bears if they have already traded their 2nd for Jimmy Garoppolo or signed Kirk Cousins.

 

But if the Bears are dead set on not paying Jeffery the money he wants and don't love any of the QB prospects, I think I'd be OK with a haul of Garoppolo, Cooks, #11 and a 4th round pick for #3, #36, and a 2018 conditional pick.

I think I'd rather take my choice of impact player at 3 and possibly at QB at 36. Though, it largely depends on your evaluation of Garappolo. If you're really sold on Garappolo, a lot makes sense, though in your scenario, the Cooks thing can still be totally independent of that.

 

I'm not sold on Garoppolo, but where there's smoke there's fire and it sure seems like Pace has been sold on him since his days in NOLA.

Right- the general "you"... I cant imagine any fan can really have that strong of a view on Garappolo, youre basically just counting on Pace having access to info that fans just wouldn't have.

 

So if we take Garappolo as a "given", its just

 

#11, Cooks, and round 4 pick

V

#3, Jeffery

 

We'll kind of assume Jeffery or Cooks is around for a multi year deal, though thats obviously not certain.

 

If Cooks represents big play ability, it doesnt necessarily show in the stats, at least in regards to Y/Rec. Y/Tgt looks like he edges Jeffery just slightly. Considering whos been throwing the passes though, that doesn't comfort me.

 

At the end of the day though, a deal like that could be happening on draft day where youve already lost Alshon and the question is;

 

#11 and Cooks, Meredith, White, Bellamy, etc

V

#3 and Meredith, White, Bellamy, etc.

V

Maybe another slight trade down to say 6 and targeting Mike Williams, while picking up another draft pick still.

[davell]

I like Cooks, but 3 to 11 is a huge drop. That's worth around the 17th pick on its own, by the chart. Even if its outdated, is a year of Cooks worth that? When you can keep Alshon for just money? Sure, it saves on the cap this year, but that's kind of irrelevant. Because that cap savings will be fairly hard to spend. We're way under the cap and there's other teams in the same situation. So, as much as I do think we'll be very active, I don't see us using ALL the space we have.

 

So, I think I'd pass. Just keep Alshon instead.

[raw]

I like Cooks, but 3 to 11 is a huge drop. That's worth around the 17th pick on its own, by the chart. Even if its outdated, is a year of Cooks worth that? When you can keep Alshon for just money? Sure, it saves on the cap this year, but that's kind of irrelevant. Because that cap savings will be fairly hard to spend. We're way under the cap and there's other teams in the same situation. So, as much as I do think we'll be very active, I don't see us using ALL the space we have.

 

So, I think I'd pass. Just keep Alshon instead.

 

I think if the Bears let Jeffery go part of it will be because of WR he is. Jeffery is a great WR. But he's big and doesn't create a ton of separation. If Pace lets him walk, I think it will be to replace him with guys who are plus route runners with speed that create separation and can run after the catch. That's the type of WR the Saints have typically gone after, including when Pace was there. And the interest in Jimmy Garoppolo fits the narrative as he's from an offense that features quick WRs who create separation and get the ball on the move. Same goes for Mitch Trubisky, who recent rumors have the Bears very interested in.

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I like Cooks, but 3 to 11 is a huge drop. That's worth around the 17th pick on its own, by the chart. Even if its outdated, is a year of Cooks worth that? When you can keep Alshon for just money? Sure, it saves on the cap this year, but that's kind of irrelevant. Because that cap savings will be fairly hard to spend. We're way under the cap and there's other teams in the same situation. So, as much as I do think we'll be very active, I don't see us using ALL the space we have.

 

So, I think I'd pass. Just keep Alshon instead.

 

I think if the Bears let Jeffery go part of it will be because of WR he is. Jeffery is a great WR. But he's big and doesn't create a ton of separation. If Pace lets him walk, I think it will be to replace him with guys who are plus route runners with speed that create separation and can run after the catch. That's the type of WR the Saints have typically gone after, including when Pace was there. And the interest in Jimmy Garoppolo fits the narrative as he's from an offense that features quick WRs who create separation and get the ball on the move. Same goes for Mitch Trubisky, who recent rumors have the Bears very interested in.

I can appreciate fit to some extent, but it seems like a wasted opportunity on Pace's part, and the Cooks value just feels off. I'd rather explore FA and mid round draft fits in thae case they move on from Jeffery.

[jumbo]

I think EDGE is either a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 OLB

 

Considering Goldman is listed as an edge, I really doubt that.

I dont think hes supposed to be though. Seems like user error.

 

Bingo

[raw]

I like Cooks, but 3 to 11 is a huge drop. That's worth around the 17th pick on its own, by the chart. Even if its outdated, is a year of Cooks worth that? When you can keep Alshon for just money? Sure, it saves on the cap this year, but that's kind of irrelevant. Because that cap savings will be fairly hard to spend. We're way under the cap and there's other teams in the same situation. So, as much as I do think we'll be very active, I don't see us using ALL the space we have.

 

So, I think I'd pass. Just keep Alshon instead.

 

I think if the Bears let Jeffery go part of it will be because of WR he is. Jeffery is a great WR. But he's big and doesn't create a ton of separation. If Pace lets him walk, I think it will be to replace him with guys who are plus route runners with speed that create separation and can run after the catch. That's the type of WR the Saints have typically gone after, including when Pace was there. And the interest in Jimmy Garoppolo fits the narrative as he's from an offense that features quick WRs who create separation and get the ball on the move. Same goes for Mitch Trubisky, who recent rumors have the Bears very interested in.

I can appreciate fit to some extent, but it seems like a wasted opportunity on Pace's part, and the Cooks value just feels off. I'd rather explore FA and mid round draft fits in thae case they move on from Jeffery.

 

I know what you mean. And I hate the thought of getting rid of Jeffery just to create a hole on a team with a lot of holes. But getting Cooks would provide a semblance of lateral movement at the WR position, just with a completely different look that may benefit Pace's vision. And this is about the only way to not take a huge hit in talent at the position.

[WrigleyField 22]

 

I think if the Bears let Jeffery go part of it will be because of WR he is. Jeffery is a great WR. But he's big and doesn't create a ton of separation. If Pace lets him walk, I think it will be to replace him with guys who are plus route runners with speed that create separation and can run after the catch. That's the type of WR the Saints have typically gone after, including when Pace was there. And the interest in Jimmy Garoppolo fits the narrative as he's from an offense that features quick WRs who create separation and get the ball on the move. Same goes for Mitch Trubisky, who recent rumors have the Bears very interested in.

I can appreciate fit to some extent, but it seems like a wasted opportunity on Pace's part, and the Cooks value just feels off. I'd rather explore FA and mid round draft fits in thae case they move on from Jeffery.

 

I know what you mean. And I hate the thought of getting rid of Jeffery just to create a hole on a team with a lot of holes. But getting Cooks would provide a semblance of lateral movement at the WR position, just with a completely different look that may benefit Pace's vision. And this is about the only way to not take a huge hit in talent at the position.

If nothing else, if trade down is a possibility, I'm holding onto that until the day of the draft in case someone wants to offer up a franchise QB type offer for 3, and I'd have enough capital then to still try and make moves for more WR help.

[davell]

Watching the QB's in this draft is going to be fun. It really looks like we like Trubisky and Garoppolo. I really don't think we're a fit for Garoppolo, since both San Fran and Cleveland pick higher than we do, and appear interested too. Plus, there's rumors SF may try and trade for Cousins.

 

Garrett is surely going 1st, barring something weird happening. But, I DO think Trubisky goes 2nd or 3rd now. If he goes 2nd and Garoppolo winds up in Cleveland.....I have no idea what to expect out of us at QB. Other than retaining Hoyer.

 

I do think one of Kizer or Watson, maybe both, are available in the late 1st. Maybe even in the 2nd.

 

And yeah, Raw, I see where you're going with Cooks. I agree with us looking for route runners. I like the general premise, but think we'd need to acquire a 2nd(this year or next) to make the value even out. Because its taking us out of the elite defensive guys, by trading down that far. Multiple trade downs, to get there, would be fun though.

 

And I have to admit, part of me really would like to see OJ Howard at 11. That guys going to be a stud.

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Watching the QB's in this draft is going to be fun. It really looks like we like Trubisky and Garoppolo. I really don't think we're a fit for Garoppolo, since both San Fran and Cleveland pick higher than we do, and appear interested too. Plus, there's rumors SF may try and trade for Cousins.

 

Garrett is surely going 1st, barring something weird happening. But, I DO think Trubisky goes 2nd or 3rd now. If he goes 2nd and Garoppolo winds up in Cleveland.....I have no idea what to expect out of us at QB. Other than retaining Hoyer.

 

I do think one of Kizer or Watson, maybe both, are available in the late 1st. Maybe even in the 2nd.

 

And yeah, Raw, I see where you're going with Cooks. I agree with us looking for route runners. I like the general premise, but think we'd need to acquire a 2nd(this year or next) to make the value even out. Because its taking us out of the elite defensive guys, by trading down that far. Multiple trade downs, to get there, would be fun though.

 

And I have to admit, part of me really would like to see OJ Howard at 11. That guys going to be a stud.

Oohh I was trying to think who I might even want at 11 and forgot about Howard. Good call.

[Guest]

I'm really sold on trading down to 6, if the Jets would do it, and snagging Lattimore and then looking at another CB like King high in the second round. King's football instincts are really off the charts, and I really think he's going to be a pro-bowl player. I also like looking for Kizer with the other pick.

[davell]

I'm really sold on trading down to 6, if the Jets would do it, and snagging Lattimore and then looking at another CB like King high in the second round. King's football instincts are really off the charts, and I really think he's going to be a pro-bowl player. I also like looking for Kizer with the other pick.

 

 

It seems most analysts think King is a Safety.(as a 2nd or 3rd rounder, he'd be great) I like him and Lattimore, but I do NOT want to take a Corner inside the top 15. Too much depth at that position in this draft. 2nd or 3rd round is still going to have very solid choices available.

[Guest]

I'm really sold on trading down to 6, if the Jets would do it, and snagging Lattimore and then looking at another CB like King high in the second round. King's football instincts are really off the charts, and I really think he's going to be a pro-bowl player. I also like looking for Kizer with the other pick.

 

 

It seems most analysts think King is a Safety.(as a 2nd or 3rd rounder, he'd be great) I like him and Lattimore, but I do NOT want to take a Corner inside the top 15. Too much depth at that position in this draft. 2nd or 3rd round is still going to have very solid choices available.

 

he's been speculated at safety, but I think his true calling is CB. At the very least, you could make him a safety. I think Lattimore and Humphrey are playmakers.