Bears offseason

[minnesotacubsfan]

The Chicago Bears will make a strong, concerted effort to acquire quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo from the Patriots, according to sources with knowledge of the situation. The Illinois native is far and away their top offseason priority.

 

Terrible idea

 

 

 

horsefeathers pace

[WrigleyField 22]

Meh.

[Sammy Sofa]

Hahahahah!

[Brian707]

Is Trump running the Bears?

[David]

Without knowing what they would actually have to give up for him, I'm not going to pretend I have an extreme opinion on this. Obviously, if it's a ton, it's not so attractive given his contract status.

 

His numbers in his limited action most certainly do not suck, and I'm not gonna pretend I've seen enough of him to have any opinion beyond that. I trust Pace's talent evaluation pretty well, though.

 

I did see somewhere that Kyle Shanahan wanted him or Derek Carr in Cleveland when they took Manziel.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixrLtgGKS-8

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUI6YmBkj1w

[David]

He's also a handsome devil

 

 

Would anyone be able to access his PFF grades from his starts?

[davell]

If Cleveland or San Fran wants him, they pick in front of us and can outbid us. Garoppolo obviously isn't worth a HIGH 1st rounder under any circumstance.

 

So, if a team that's also looking for a QB, like Houston, likes him.....They can move pick 25. Which also beats us.

 

The good news is barring a massive overpay, which I don't see Pace doing, is we're kind of in no mans land with picks, for acquiring him anyway.

[WrigleyField 22]

If Cleveland or San Fran wants him, they pick in front of us and can outbid us. Garoppolo obviously isn't worth a HIGH 1st rounder under any circumstance.

 

So, if a team that's also looking for a QB, like Houston, likes him.....They can move pick 25. Which also beats us.

 

The good news is barring a massive overpay, which I don't see Pace doing, is we're kind of in no mans land with picks, for acquiring him anyway.

Yea I would think #36 and a 2nd or 3rd 2018 would be our base offer.

[jersey cubs fan]

best case scenario is a kirk cousins situation where he'll have a pretty decent showing on a mediocre team in need of coaching turnover and the front office will have to make a decision on a huge financial commitment.

 

and they won't have a 2nd round pick in 2017 and maybe 2018 to put on the field with him, so new england will get to do it all over again with another team.

[UMFan83]

Maybe trade down from #3 into the 18-24 range and gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or 2nd this year and 2nd next year). Then trade that 1st rounder for Garoppolo and a 4th or something.

 

Trade

 

#3 pick and #20 pick

 

Receive

 

Garoppolo, 2nd rounder (2017), 2nd rounder (2018), 4th rounder (2017)

 

I have no feel for proposing NFL trades so that might sound stupid.

 

Either way, huge red flags when a team with a 40 year old QB wants to trade a highly regarded heir apparent, especially a team that's been known to fleece others in the past

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe trade down from #3 into the 18-24 range and gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or 2nd this year and 2nd next year). Then trade that 1st rounder for Garoppolo and a 4th or something.

 

Trade

 

#3 pick and #20 pick

 

Receive

 

Garoppolo, 2nd rounder (2017), 2nd rounder (2018), 4th rounder (2017)

 

I have no feel for proposing NFL trades so that might sound stupid.

 

Either way, huge red flags when a team with a 40 year old QB wants to trade a highly regarded heir apparent, especially a team that's been known to fleece others in the past

 

I'm not sure the accounting adds up on this one.

[UMFan83]

Maybe trade down from #3 into the 18-24 range and gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or 2nd this year and 2nd next year). Then trade that 1st rounder for Garoppolo and a 4th or something.

 

Trade

 

#3 pick and #20 pick

 

Receive

 

Garoppolo, 2nd rounder (2017), 2nd rounder (2018), 4th rounder (2017)

 

I have no feel for proposing NFL trades so that might sound stupid.

 

Either way, huge red flags when a team with a 40 year old QB wants to trade a highly regarded heir apparent, especially a team that's been known to fleece others in the past

 

I'm not sure the accounting adds up on this one.

 

What do you mean? I combined 2 trades into 1. The first is acquiring pick 20(estimate) then shipping it to NE for Garoppolo. Or are you saying I'm over/undervaluing that pick?

 

Edit: or are you saying I should just leave out the 20 pick from the ledger?

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe trade down from #3 into the 18-24 range and gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or 2nd this year and 2nd next year). Then trade that 1st rounder for Garoppolo and a 4th or something.

 

Trade

 

#3 pick and #20 pick

 

Receive

 

Garoppolo, 2nd rounder (2017), 2nd rounder (2018), 4th rounder (2017)

 

I have no feel for proposing NFL trades so that might sound stupid.

 

Either way, huge red flags when a team with a 40 year old QB wants to trade a highly regarded heir apparent, especially a team that's been known to fleece others in the past

 

I'm not sure the accounting adds up on this one.

 

What do you mean? I combined 2 trades into 1. The first is acquiring pick 20(estimate) then shipping it to NE for Garoppolo. Or are you saying I'm over/undervaluing that pick?

 

I think from a what did you give up and what did you get stand point, you have to list the #3 vs whatever you end up with.

 

And I'm not sure I see how they trade the #3 and end up with Garoppolo, a 2nd rounder in 2017 and 2018 and a 4th rounder in 2017.

[Splendid Splinter]

Maybe trade down from #3 into the 18-24 range and gain a 2nd and 3rd round pick (or 2nd this year and 2nd next year). Then trade that 1st rounder for Garoppolo and a 4th or something.

 

Trade

 

#3 pick and #20 pick

 

Receive

 

Garoppolo, 2nd rounder (2017), 2nd rounder (2018), 4th rounder (2017)

 

I have no feel for proposing NFL trades so that might sound stupid.

 

Either way, huge red flags when a team with a 40 year old QB wants to trade a highly regarded heir apparent, especially a team that's been known to fleece others in the past

 

Going from 3 to 18-24 (let's say 20 like you suggested) will get you the 20th, their 2nd, and 2018 1st at the very least and most likely more (Pace probably have to throw in one of this year 4th rounders).

 

I honestly wouldn't be opposed to trading for Garoppolo with the 20th pick in that situation. Yeah, you trade away your 1st for a QB with limited action and only have 1 year left on his deal, but you gain picks in the other rounds plus got a future 1st. You could build around him pretty quickly to compete. If he's not who they thought he would be after 1 year of starting, let him go and draft a QB with one of the 1st in 2018.

 

But then again, why not just draft Watson/Kizer/etc at 20 instead of Garoppolo?

Edited February 2, 2017 by Splendid Splinter

[UMFan83]

Yeah maybe a stretch. Just looking at what the Titans and Browns got for 1 and 2 next year. I think the Rams gave up 15th pick, two 2nds and a 3rd. But I'm guessing on second thought that you can't get an overpay like that unless It's a team targeting a QB and none of the QBs in this draft are worth overpaying for especially with trading for Garoppolo an option

[jersey cubs fan]

FWIW, 19/20/21 are tampa, denver, detroit

 

what are they trading up for?

[davell]

If you move from 3 to 20, you're very likely going to pick up a 1st from next year in the package. A package of 20, 52, a 4th, and next years 1st is decently in line, value-wise.

 

If you then trade for Garoppolo, I'd think 36, a 4th(you'd have 3 at this stage) and a future 3rd, that could move to another 2nd with performance, conceivably would be enough to get him.

 

You'd then have Garoppolo, pick 20, pick 52, your normal picks the rest of this draft, and an extra 1st next year. I could be OK with a scenario like that.

 

But most huge draft deals involve either the 1st or 2nd pick.

[Splendid Splinter]

If you move from 3 to 20, you're very likely going to pick up a 1st from next year in the package. A package of 20, 52, a 4th, and next years 1st is decently in line, value-wise.

 

If you then trade for Garoppolo, I'd think 36, a 4th(you'd have 3 at this stage) and a future 3rd, that could move to another 2nd with performance, conceivably would be enough to get him.

 

You'd then have Garoppolo, pick 20, pick 52, your normal picks the rest of this draft, and an extra 1st next year. I could be OK with a scenario like that.

 

But most huge draft deals involve either the 1st or 2nd pick.

 

Yep. The only huge deal I know of that wasn't top 2 was Falcons getting Julio Jones. They went up 21 picks to #6 and traded their 1st, 2nd, and 4th that year plus 1st and 4th the following year.

[minnesotacubsfan]

FWIW, 19/20/21 are tampa, denver, detroit

 

what are they trading up for?

 

A hot Brazilian

 

BA DA CHI

[Chocolate Milk]

I'm on the Jimmy G bandwagon (as long as it's not the #3 pick)! He's got the handsomeness I'm looking for in a QB.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Isn't that Nuts argument? If you're going to suck, suck handsomely?

[Sammy Sofa]

It is now.

[Sammy Sofa]

My new status should be "sucks handsomely."

[Guest]

I don't see why it's assumed he's going to be bad. he hasn't given any proof that he's not good.

 

I'd be okay with trading down to the Jets' pick, getting pick 39, flipping that to the Pats, along with maybe another later pick in 2018 for Garoppolo. That gives us the chance to draft Lattimore and King as well, which improves the team immensely.

 

But if that doesn't work, forget it, there are other options out there, unlike what happened with the Vikings and Eagles last year.

[Sammy Sofa]

I don't see why it's assumed he's going to be bad. he hasn't given any proof that he's not good.

 

The Bears going after him is pretty damning. Actually ending up on the Bears might as well be an ancient Sumerian curse carved into his chest by a sea hag.