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11/2 World Series Game 7 Cubs (Hendricks) @ Cleveland (Kluber) 7:00 CDT Fox

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Bill Simmons once wrote about jd drew and his $60 million grand slam.

 

Jason Heyward has the $187 million inspirational speech. I am thrilled to take it.

 

Good stuff. Heyward has been a mess this year we can all agree on that, but the players seem to respect him greatly. I like the fact that many said JHey doesn't say much, so when he was the one who spoke up, everybody listened and it resinated much more coming from him. At least it seems he earned some of that contract back in a pretty big way.

Gonna go out on a limb and guess Heyward will never be as bad as he was this year. He'll re-work his swing and be at least a competent hitter next year and that's all the Cubs need out of him with his defensive value.

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Honestly, I'm not happy with Madden either. Games 6 & 7 reminded me very much of Dusty Baker. Dusty Baker couldn't manage a pitching staff at all. Madden was nowhere near Dusty's incompetence, but those last few games made me wonder what the hell was going through his mind.

 

I know he probably won't admit that he screwed up publicly, but I do think he needs to talk to both Lester and Hendricks, for not having confidence in them, and even Chapman for setting him up to possibly fail. Thank god Chapman willed himself into the 9th to prove he could do it.

 

And if what Miggy says is true, Joe needs to talk to him too, though I'm not sure it'll help the hurt.

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i don't think what he said was too unfair. if a veteran player who's been a starter for years is getting phased out and not playing much, the manager should probably have a conversation with him about what he can expect.
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i don't think what he said was too unfair. if a veteran player who's been a starter for years is getting phased out and not playing much, the manager should probably have a conversation with him about what he can expect.

 

Not trying to mess up a great thread but Montero is lucky he made the playoff roster.

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Did Rizzo really strip down to nothing when he started shadow boxing to the Rocky theme in the clubhouse?

 

well we asked for massive dongs

 

I hope for his g/f sake his lasts longer than your handle.

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Given all of the good vibes around how likable just about everyone on this team is... I was disappointed to see this so soon after the series. Not cool, he just lost some stock in my book. He needs to resign himself to taking over Ross's role (personal catcher for one of our stud starters, backup/mentor/clubhouse leader the rest of the time). If he can't do that, not sure I would want him on the team next year.

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I would not have made some of the moves Maddon made, but I get why he made them. And I think most of his moves were made moreso to prevent a meltdown loss, knowing that this city has already had too many of those. He was trying to do his part to protect the lead, and I can't fault him for that.

 

He didn't want the Cleveland bats to see Hendricks the third time through the line up, and the first sign of trouble, he was going to Lester. Then the ump screwed Hendricks on that call, and Joe panicked. That's the type of situation that has cost the Cubs before. Angry Hendricks for not getting the call he deserved then loses focus and gives up the long ball. Same can be said about Chapman. He didn't have good stuff that night, and it was time to get him out of there before something bad happened. In the end, it worked out. I'm a huge fan of his work.

 

It might seem crazy, but I'll bet a lot of Maddon's decisions really did hinge on the possibility of a meltdown. He just didn't want to be the guy who lost them another chance at a World Series ring, therefore he overmanaged.

 

With all that said, I have not read this thead yet. That will be on Tuesday when I have enough time in my day to enjoy it in its entirety.

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Given all of the good vibes around how likable just about everyone on this team is... I was disappointed to see this so soon after the series. Not cool, he just lost some stock in my book. He needs to resign himself to taking over Ross's role (personal catcher for one of our stud starters, backup/mentor/clubhouse leader the rest of the time). If he can't do that, not sure I would want him on the team next year.

 

I'd skip the personal catcher stuff. He's gone after 2017. He can just be the back up and give Willson some rest here and there.

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I would not have made some of the moves Maddon made, but I get why he made them. And I think most of his moves were made moreso to prevent a meltdown loss, knowing that this city has already had too many of those. He was trying to do his part to protect the lead, and I can't fault him for that.

 

He didn't want the Cleveland bats to see Hendricks the third time through the line up, and the first sign of trouble, he was going to Lester. Then the ump screwed Hendricks on that call, and Joe panicked. That's the type of situation that has cost the Cubs before. Angry Hendricks for not getting the call he deserved then loses focus and gives up the long ball. Same can be said about Chapman. He didn't have good stuff that night, and it was time to get him out of there before something bad happened. In the end, it worked out. I'm a huge fan of his work.

 

It might seem crazy, but I'll bet a lot of Maddon's decisions really did hinge on the possibility of a meltdown. He just didn't want to be the guy who lost them another chance at a World Series ring, therefore he overmanaged.

 

With all that said, I have not read this thead yet. That will be on Tuesday when I have enough time in my day to enjoy it in its entirety.

 

Good post. Joe's handling of the pen in the WS wasn't perfect...but you have to take the good with the bad, and I still think Joe's one of the top 3 overall managers in the game, with a strong argument for best.

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Given all of the good vibes around how likable just about everyone on this team is... I was disappointed to see this so soon after the series. Not cool, he just lost some stock in my book. He needs to resign himself to taking over Ross's role (personal catcher for one of our stud starters, backup/mentor/clubhouse leader the rest of the time). If he can't do that, not sure I would want him on the team next year.

 

I'd skip the personal catcher stuff. He's gone after 2017. He can just be the back up and give Willson some rest here and there.

 

Agreed...I'm not a fan of the personal catcher either... but I'd be surprised if he doesn't catch 90%+ of Jake's starts next year if he's still on the team.

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i don't think what he said was too unfair. if a veteran player who's been a starter for years is getting phased out and not playing much, the manager should probably have a conversation with him about what he can expect.

 

I listened to the actual interview. It was weird because the stuff about playing time was completely unprovoked. At first it was just a quick joke about playing time and then a minute or two later he brought it up again and went in detail about his complaint. Silvy sounded shocked and they asked some follow up questions and specifically about whether Chapman was gassed and then he went into that.

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Given all of the good vibes around how likable just about everyone on this team is... I was disappointed to see this so soon after the series. Not cool, he just lost some stock in my book. He needs to resign himself to taking over Ross's role (personal catcher for one of our stud starters, backup/mentor/clubhouse leader the rest of the time). If he can't do that, not sure I would want him on the team next year.

 

I'd skip the personal catcher stuff. He's gone after 2017. He can just be the back up and give Willson some rest here and there.

 

Agreed...I'm not a fan of the personal catcher either... but I'd be surprised if he doesn't catch 90%+ of Jake's starts next year if he's still on the team.

 

Yeah, both he and Jake are likely gone after next season, so go nuts with that.

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I finally just read through like page 20 to page 95. I felt like I lived this entire game again and now I have all of the good feels.

 

Damn this is amazing.

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The W flag is still flying.

I still have my W hanging in the living room window, hung in front of the curtains. I have no idea how long it will stay up... Maybe until it's time to put up Xmas decorations? Till pitchers and catchers report? Might be the hardest damned decision I'll have to make over the next four months.

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I've watched the full game three times now. Over time, this will be a game I individually watch more times than any other game I've ever seen. Heck three might be my record already.

 

There was a particular Sunday night game though which and the specific details I forget. But what I remember was the announcing crew. They came in expecting to see the team everyone said was the best team in baseball. And they realized the Cub team they were expecting to see was undersold. The Cubs went out in the first several innings and displayed a brilliant, beautiful defense, a suffocating, powerful offense, and an exacting, focused starting pitcher all performing with youthful exuberance and flair. This was something that left them in awe.

 

We have all had the pleasure of watching something I'm not too sure many fans have seen before. Yes, others have had a championship. But we are witnessing the pursuit of a perfect team playing a perfect game.

 

When the playoffs started, my expectation was I wanted to see that perfect game to let everyone else realize what we have been watching. When the Cubs won the NLCS, it was with a game that was stress free. Hendricks dominated, the defense reigned, the offense provided plenty of support. It came on the heels of the two previous games which were also stress free early. And I realized – stress free was what I wanted, but there was a partial emptiness to it – dominating an opponent diminishes them and leaves others with the belief that you must have played someone inferior.

 

As game 7 rolled around, I regressed. I wanted the stress free game. It was more important to me to come home with the prize rather than the adventure of how we got the prize. I would have taken a 20-0 whitewashing that only us fans would appreciate in the long run. But, I was wrong.

 

This was not the perfect game from my perfect team. Far from it. But I can watch this game over and over. Every inning had something. We dominated yet the game was close. We made brilliant plays, we screwed up. The manager even made highly questionable moves. Incredible how much action was packed in the game – stealing before the pitch, picking off a base runner, scoring on a short fly ball, pulling effective pitchers, key home runs, bunting with 2 strikes, etc. Any of it could be dissected and discussed – so many things to analyze. And all of that was a far, far cry from what I asked and hoped for, and yet way more satisfying. This was baseball's finest hour.

 

This was not the Cubs' best game. That was the Cubs' greatest game.

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