KB = MVP

[David]

If Dave Roberts wins then the award is essentially meaningless

 

I don't have near as much a problem with Roberts winning it as I do with Dusty, who is already working his usual magic in Washington.

 

Roberts took a team that went 92-70 (.568 win pct) and has turned them into what is so far a 79-60 team (.568 win pct). Yay?

 

You are very good at not paying attention to things and commenting on them, lol.

 

I don't think it's because Roberts is doing a magnificent job, or anything, but the Dodgers have been very good despite a lot of major injuries (TT likes to point out that this should've been seen coming when the Dodgers decided to have 15 starters with health concerns).

[David]

 

I don't have near as much a problem with Roberts winning it as I do with Dusty, who is already working his usual magic in Washington.

 

Roberts took a team that went 92-70 (.568 win pct) and has turned them into what is so far a 79-60 team (.568 win pct). Yay?

 

Well yeah, but you're not comparing apples to apples there when you consider they've gotten where the are now without Kershaw for 2 months. Not to mention all the other pitcher's arms falling off. I'm with david, Maddon got it last year and Roberts has done a good enough job that I'd have no issue with it. Baker can DIAF though.

Meanwhile, Dusty is doing his usual best to explode his newly signed ace's arm.

[Derwood]

 

I don't have near as much a problem with Roberts winning it as I do with Dusty, who is already working his usual magic in Washington.

 

Roberts took a team that went 92-70 (.568 win pct) and has turned them into what is so far a 79-60 team (.568 win pct). Yay?

 

You are very good at not paying attention to things and commenting on them, lol.

 

I don't think it's because Roberts is doing a magnificent job, or anything, but the Dodgers have been very good despite a lot of major injuries (TT likes to point out that this should've been seen coming when the Dodgers decided to have 15 starters with health concerns).

 

But then the criteria for the award becomes "did better than he should have due to X factors," which penalizes someone like Maddon because "well he had the best team on paper so whatever". It's a silly award whose criteria changes year to year

[David]

 

Roberts took a team that went 92-70 (.568 win pct) and has turned them into what is so far a 79-60 team (.568 win pct). Yay?

 

You are very good at not paying attention to things and commenting on them, lol.

 

I don't think it's because Roberts is doing a magnificent job, or anything, but the Dodgers have been very good despite a lot of major injuries (TT likes to point out that this should've been seen coming when the Dodgers decided to have 15 starters with health concerns).

 

But then the criteria for the award becomes "did better than he should have due to X factors," which penalizes someone like Maddon because "well he had the best team on paper so whatever". It's a silly award whose criteria changes year to year

 

That was never the argument and that's totally a given.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

- I don't care if Maddon wins or not

 

- The Dodgers definitely self-sabotaged themselves, but that's Friedman and Co's fault, not Roberts, so he deserves credit for navigating the minefield that his front office intentionally put in front of him for no good reason

 

- Dusty will probably win despite being quite bad at his job because his predecessor was so bad/plexiglass effect

[Derwood]

So Win/loss is dumb, but Lester's 17-4 has to be looking sexy to some voters

[imb]

lester might be the frontrunner right now tbh. id still give it to fernandez though. What's weird is that by metrics, lester has been worse than last year.

[UMFan83]

lester might be the frontrunner right now tbh. id still give it to fernandez though. What's weird is that by metrics, lester has been worse than last year.

 

I honestly cannot decide who I'd give the award to. Fernandez is a good choice I hadn't really considered as a prime candidate this year but the numbers check out. Lester, Hendricks, Scherzer and Bumgarner also all have good cases, Kershaw has a very outside chance.

[jersey cubs fan]

What's weird is that by metrics, lester has been worse than last year.

 

I prefer to think of it as not as great

[Omar]

What's weird is that by metrics, lester has been worse than last year.

 

I prefer to think of it as not as great

 

what metrics has he been worse in? Besides FIP.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What's weird is that by metrics, lester has been worse than last year.

 

I prefer to think of it as not as great

 

what metrics has he been worse in? Besides FIP.

he's given up more dongs and walks, and his K rate is down a tick. but he's also given up a [expletive] less hits so he's a-ok in my book. and I don't even have a book!

[imb]

What's weird is that by metrics, lester has been worse than last year.

 

I prefer to think of it as not as great

 

what metrics has he been worse in? Besides FIP.

 

all of them?

 

k/9 - down

bb/9 - up

hr/9 - up

babip - way down

lob% - way up

gb% - down

hr/fb% - way up

fip - up

 

and that's all with the benefit of his amazing last 6 weeks or whatever

 

I'm not saying he's not great, but he's been the beneficiary of a lot of luck and it's hilarious to see that he's had a worse season than last year, and he's a Cy Young candidate, while the prevailing notion outside of cubs fans a year ago was that he disappointed.

Edited September 15, 2016 by Elon Musk

[jersey cubs fan]

while the prevailing nothing outside of cubs fans a year ago was that he disappointed.

[UMFan83]

 

I prefer to think of it as not as great

 

what metrics has he been worse in? Besides FIP.

 

all of them?

 

k/9 - down

bb/9 - up

hr/9 - up

babip - way down

lob% - way up

gb% - down

hr/fb% - way up

fip - up

 

and that's all with the benefit of his amazing last 6 weeks or whatever

 

I'm not saying he's not great, but he's been the beneficiary of a lot of luck and it's hilarious to see that he's had a worse season than last year, and he's a Cy Young candidate, while the prevailing nothing outside of cubs fans a year ago was that he disappointed.

 

sometimes i wonder if ignorance is bliss. especially with me being a paranoid fan to a fault because instead of just enjoying lester pitching lights out, I now will spend 3 weeks worrying that things will normalize in October.

[imb]

while the prevailing nothing outside of cubs fans a year ago was that he disappointed.

 

I EDITED THA FUCKIN POST U COCKSUCKA

[David]

while the prevailing nothing outside of cubs fans a year ago was that he disappointed.

 

i horsefeathering love this scene. kills me.

[Clem Fandango]

How much of that "luck" is actually having one of the best defenses in recent history playing behind you, though?

[David]

How much of that "luck" is actually having one of the best defenses in recent history playing behind you, though?

 

a lot of it

[Clem Fandango]

Lester, Hendricks, Scherzer and Bumgarner also all have good cases, Kershaw has a very outside chance.

 

We can't discount Syndergaard.

 

Major League Ranks:

 

Pitcher WAR: 1st

ERA: 3rd

FIP: 1st

xFIP: 2nd

K/9: 6th

BB/9: 17th (the only other pitcher you could consider in the discussion for NL Cy Young with a lower BB/9 is Cueto)

HR/9: 1st

BABIP: 7th highest (.328)

HR/FB: 2nd

K's: 8th

HR Allowed: 1st

BB Allowed: 16th (6th in NL)

 

The only thing that looks less than stellar is his W-L (13-8)

 

I don't think he gets it on account of the W-L and the narrative, but when talking about guys in the discussion, you really can't count him out as he's at the top of the leaderboards in a lot of the more important categories, especially when you notice he's been one of the more unlucky pitchers in the league.

[BigSlick]

Lester starting last year with like 5 flukily bad starts because of terrible BABIP luck really soured people on him for the year and its unfortunate because he's been been nothing short of fantastic these entire 2 years

[Clem Fandango]

Lester starting last year with like 5 flukily bad starts because of terrible BABIP luck really soured people on him for the year and its unfortunate because he's been been nothing short of fantastic these entire 2 years

 

Those first three starts the defense up the middle was a combo of Castro and La Stella/Alcantara/Herrera. The 4th began the regularity of Rizzo, Russell, Castro, Bryant. Not coincidentally, that was when Lester started pitching better. He still had a few clunkers throughout the season, but no one is impervious to that.

[Tryptamine]

Lester wins #19 to go along with a 2.33ERA. If not for his disaster start against the Mets where he went 1 1/3IP and gave up 8ER, he'd be your run away CY winner with a 1.93ERA.

[Clem Fandango]

Lester wins #19 to go along with a 2.33ERA. If not for his disaster start against the Mets where he went 1 1/3IP and gave up 8ER, he'd be your run away CY winner with a 1.93ERA.

 

2.28 ERA, actually! And a 1.94 if you want to get technical and round up.

 

But yeah, hard to believe that one bad start is the difference between an amazing year and a legendary one. It would have been only the 6th time in the National League since 2000 for a starter to have an ERA under 2.00. The other 5 were Greinke, Arrieta, Kershaw (twice), and Clemens.

 

Honestly, despite that stat posted in the rotation thread about how basically Hendricks and Lester have been identical in the 2nd half, I think Lester gets it based on more wins, IP, and K's. Assuming, that is, the writers don't give it to Jose Fernandez, which would be a classy, but more importantly an acceptable thing to do considering that coming into today Fernandez was the pitcher with the highest WAR in the majors, so it's not like it would be undeserved if they give it to him posthumously out of respect, he's rightfully earned it despite the tragedy.

[apete6]

Lester wins #19 to go along with a 2.33ERA. If not for his disaster start against the Mets where he went 1 1/3IP and gave up 8ER, he'd be your run away CY winner with a 1.93ERA.

 

2.28 ERA, actually! And a 1.94 if you want to get technical and round up.

 

But yeah, hard to believe that one bad start is the difference between an amazing year and a legendary one. It would have been only the 6th time in the National League since 2000 for a starter to have an ERA under 2.00. The other 5 were Greinke, Arrieta, Kershaw (twice), and Clemens.

 

Honestly, despite that stat posted in the rotation thread about how basically Hendricks and Lester have been identical in the 2nd half, I think Lester gets it based on more wins, IP, and K's. Assuming, that is, the writers don't give it to Jose Fernandez, which would be a classy, but more importantly an acceptable thing to do considering that coming into today Fernandez was the pitcher with the highest WAR in the majors, so it's not like it would be undeserved if they give it to him posthumously out of respect, he's rightfully earned it despite the tragedy.

 

I would advocate giving it to Fernandez for his actual accomplishments. Hopefully if he does win, it's not painted as some BS win as he's a legitimate choice.

 

My top-5 ballot would be:

 

Fernandez, Scherzer, Syndergaard, Lester, Hendricks.

[Banedon]

http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/ken-rosenthals-2016-mlb-awards-093016

 

Bryant NL MVP

Hendricks NL Cy (Lester 2nd)

Maddon 2nd for MoY with Dave Roberts winning.