2016 Trade Deadline

[UMFan83]

i guess this is as good a time as any to remind all that last year Schwarber was on a 124/45/109, 86 BB pace (.255/.362/.529) in the half season he played in the bigs

Yeah I was going to say go look back at the videos from the Schwarber game if you're considering trading him for a reliever. But then I remembered that a 9th and 13th inning HR game against Cinci in the regular season doesn't really jump out that much anymore when the dude clubbed the Cards and Pirates out of the playoffs with many magificent moon shots. Get real Yankees.

 

Dude is clutch, he walks, he hits for power, he's young, he's beloved in the clubhouse, he actively seeks to increase his knowledge of the game, we control him for several more years at a very low price.

 

His status as an untouchable should not even be up for debate.

[Sammy Sofa]

You could very easily come up with deal scenarios that make Schwarber very movable. The Cubs are very fortunate to be in a position where they don't have to look at him as "untouchable."

[Tim]

You could very easily come up with deal scenarios that make Schwarber very movable. The Cubs are very fortunate to be in a position where they don't have to look at him as "untouchable."

Trout.

[Tim]

btw - I believe the front office when they say they believe Schwarber will be one of the top 10 hitters in baseball. You could read that as them saying things to pump up trade value. But I think that is their honest evaluation.

[philosophizer75]

I would move Schwarber for Mike Trout and maybe Jose Fernandez. That's it, unless some crazy 15 player deal was concocted.

[Banedon]

You could very easily come up with deal scenarios that make Schwarber very movable. The Cubs are very fortunate to be in a position where they don't have to look at him as "untouchable."

 

Not untouchable, but extremely difficult to touch.

[Sammy Sofa]

[Northsider]

I would move Schwarber for Mike Trout and maybe Jose Fernandez. That's it, unless some crazy 15 player deal was concocted.

I'd add Machado and Kershaw, with maybes for Corey Seager and Francisco Lindor.

[jersey cubs fan]

amidst loads of trade rumors

 

 

[tweet]https://twitter.com/DanielVogelbach/status/748260451532705792[/tweet]

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I would move Schwarber for Mike Trout and maybe Jose Fernandez. That's it, unless some crazy 15 player deal was concocted.

I'd add Machado and Kershaw, with maybes for Corey Seager and Francisco Lindor.

 

This goes a bit too far. Schwarber is an above average player with a skill set that should be pretty steady(e.g. he's not building value on a half season of UZR or an insane BABIP) and he's under control for 5 more years. That's worth a lot, and more than most any reliever you can dream up. It is not worth enough to consider him only available in trade for a top 5 player in MLB, especially given Schwarber's very real limitations. The message here is 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for a reliever', not 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for anyone'.

[Thusly Boned]

The Yankees are going to have to back way down from that level of ask for Miller. They're not getting Schwarber, obviously, and I'd be stunned if they get anything near Schwarber equivalent value from anyone. It's crazy talk.

[Tim]

The Yankees are going to have to back way down from that level of ask for Miller. They're not getting Schwarber, obviously, and I'd be stunned if they get anything near Schwarber equivalent value from anyone. It's crazy talk.

Then they may just keep him. I'm sure they plan on competing again in the next couple years.

[Thrilho]

I would move Schwarber for Mike Trout and maybe Jose Fernandez. That's it, unless some crazy 15 player deal was concocted.

I'd add Machado and Kershaw, with maybes for Corey Seager and Francisco Lindor.

 

This goes a bit too far. Schwarber is an above average player with a skill set that should be pretty steady(e.g. he's not building value on a half season of UZR or an insane BABIP) and he's under control for 5 more years. That's worth a lot, and more than most any reliever you can dream up. It is not worth enough to consider him only available in trade for a top 5 player in MLB, especially given Schwarber's very real limitations. The message here is 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for a reliever', not 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for anyone'.

 

It would be different in a vaccuum, but then you consider that the Cubs infield is so loaded that they're having trouble fitting in a 12 UZR/150 Bryant at third. Then they've got Heyward in either right or center. So you could make a crazy trade for a Machado or Arenado but ten you're just throwing away Javy and putting Bryant permanently in the OF. So to me you're pretty much talking about trading or an outfielder or starting pitcher or doing the seeya Javy, move Bryant thing. There aren't many pitchers I'd even consider trading Schwarber's 5 years of control for, and then you'd need a better package player in a corner outfielder r center fielder. If you think Schwarber is a top 10 hitter (I do) that doesn't leave many guys left. If he can no longer play LF that changes things markedly but I'd roll the dice.

[Thrilho]

Basically the same math I'm putting on the Contreras trade scenarios

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd add Machado and Kershaw, with maybes for Corey Seager and Francisco Lindor.

 

This goes a bit too far. Schwarber is an above average player with a skill set that should be pretty steady(e.g. he's not building value on a half season of UZR or an insane BABIP) and he's under control for 5 more years. That's worth a lot, and more than most any reliever you can dream up. It is not worth enough to consider him only available in trade for a top 5 player in MLB, especially given Schwarber's very real limitations. The message here is 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for a reliever', not 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for anyone'.

 

It would be different in a vaccuum, but then you consider that the Cubs infield is so loaded that they're having trouble fitting in a 12 UZR/150 Bryant at third. Then they've got Heyward in either right or center. So you could make a crazy trade for a Machado or Arenado but ten you're just throwing away Javy and putting Bryant permanently in the OF. So to me you're pretty much talking about trading or an outfielder or starting pitcher or doing the seeya Javy, move Bryant thing. There aren't many pitchers I'd even consider trading Schwarber's 5 years of control for, and then you'd need a better package player in a corner outfielder r center fielder. If you think Schwarber is a top 10 hitter (I do) that doesn't leave many guys left. If he can no longer play LF that changes things markedly but I'd roll the dice.

 

That is true, the composition of the current Cubs roster makes actually trading Schwarber for something worthwhile harder. He's too good to be sent for a reliever headline, there aren't a lot of SP currently available that match up well, and trading him for another position player is really difficult to justify given the offensive talent all over the field already.

[davell]

Its apparent to me that Schwarber is a FO favorite. Back to the comments he made in front of Theo and Jason pre-draft. Then add in he's a true baseball rat that sat with the FO during the draft a few weeks back......Them commenting on how awesome that was. They love the guy. And because of the injury, his value isn't as high as it should be anyway. We DEFINITELY wouldn't sell low on him.

 

I get the mantra of "no one is unavailable". But unless something crazy awesome comes up, I don't see the FO trading him. Crazy awesome isn't a reliever either.

[squally1313]

 

This goes a bit too far. Schwarber is an above average player with a skill set that should be pretty steady(e.g. he's not building value on a half season of UZR or an insane BABIP) and he's under control for 5 more years. That's worth a lot, and more than most any reliever you can dream up. It is not worth enough to consider him only available in trade for a top 5 player in MLB, especially given Schwarber's very real limitations. The message here is 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for a reliever', not 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for anyone'.

 

It would be different in a vaccuum, but then you consider that the Cubs infield is so loaded that they're having trouble fitting in a 12 UZR/150 Bryant at third. Then they've got Heyward in either right or center. So you could make a crazy trade for a Machado or Arenado but ten you're just throwing away Javy and putting Bryant permanently in the OF. So to me you're pretty much talking about trading or an outfielder or starting pitcher or doing the seeya Javy, move Bryant thing. There aren't many pitchers I'd even consider trading Schwarber's 5 years of control for, and then you'd need a better package player in a corner outfielder r center fielder. If you think Schwarber is a top 10 hitter (I do) that doesn't leave many guys left. If he can no longer play LF that changes things markedly but I'd roll the dice.

 

That is true, the composition of the current Cubs roster makes actually trading Schwarber for something worthwhile harder. He's too good to be sent for a reliever headline, there aren't a lot of SP currently available that match up well, and trading him for another position player is really difficult to justify given the offensive talent all over the field already.

 

Altuve was the first obvious one that stood out to me. I love Russell, but give me Seager or Correa, probably Lindor, and Bogaerts is quickly putting himself into that category too. As long we have 37 year old Ben Zobrist as a starting middle infielder and Baez penciled in as a super sub, you could probably upgrade the middle infield if your stated goal is to make the playoffs every year.

 

I love Schwarber irrationally and rationally. But I don't reasonably expect anything more than what we got last year. And according to FG, 150 games of that is 4.1 WAR. It's great, but it's not untouchable great.

[Thrilho]

 

This goes a bit too far. Schwarber is an above average player with a skill set that should be pretty steady(e.g. he's not building value on a half season of UZR or an insane BABIP) and he's under control for 5 more years. That's worth a lot, and more than most any reliever you can dream up. It is not worth enough to consider him only available in trade for a top 5 player in MLB, especially given Schwarber's very real limitations. The message here is 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for a reliever', not 'Schwarber is an absurd ask for anyone'.

 

It would be different in a vaccuum, but then you consider that the Cubs infield is so loaded that they're having trouble fitting in a 12 UZR/150 Bryant at third. Then they've got Heyward in either right or center. So you could make a crazy trade for a Machado or Arenado but ten you're just throwing away Javy and putting Bryant permanently in the OF. So to me you're pretty much talking about trading or an outfielder or starting pitcher or doing the seeya Javy, move Bryant thing. There aren't many pitchers I'd even consider trading Schwarber's 5 years of control for, and then you'd need a better package player in a corner outfielder r center fielder. If you think Schwarber is a top 10 hitter (I do) that doesn't leave many guys left. If he can no longer play LF that changes things markedly but I'd roll the dice.

 

That is true, the composition of the current Cubs roster makes actually trading Schwarber for something worthwhile harder. He's too good to be sent for a reliever headline, there aren't a lot of SP currently available that match up well, and trading him for another position player is really difficult to justify given the offensive talent all over the field already.

 

Yeah I've said this a couple times before but Schwarber is a big reason I want Almora to pan out. It's a lot easier to facilitate a Schwarber/Contreras LF/C mash up if you've got an elite center fielder and elite right fielder. I really don't care down the line if guys get less PAs than they should ideally have because we're keeping a bunch of awesome players around. Almora could be fine at 400 PAs, Schwarber and Heyward would be fine sitting more against lefties, Javy can take some of Zobrist's and Russell's and still be fine at 450 PAs.

 

As long as they keep growing enough great prospects to trade for pitching and maybe luck into a starter or two from the minors let's just keep stacking up hitters and have at least a guy or two on the bench every day that are division one starter types. You've got injuries, days off, and enough platoon concerns with a few that Joe could benefit with the ability to mix and match match ups. Keep all the hitters! (maybe not Jorge)

[Tryptamine]

Sean Doolittle's availability for Wednesday's game against the Giants is uncertain due to shoulder soreness.

Doolittle also dealt with a shoulder injury last season, but he said this new soreness is not in the same area as that. He could even be available to pitch against the Giants, as he is testing his arm in the bullpen to see if his shoulder will allow him to take the mound if necessary.

Source: John Hickey on Twitter

Jun 29 - 7:33 PM

 

His shoulder must be held together with gum and paper clips.

[Bear Cub]

Is Addison Russell a better player than Javy Baez? Just askin.

[Banedon]

Is Addison Russell a better player than Javy Baez? Just askin.

 

Not sure why we're talking about that in this thread, but I have been wondering this as well.

[Sammy Sofa]

If hittin'-Addison of the last few weeks is the real Addison? I'd give that a resounding "heck yes," though I'm biased mainly because I think Baez is some kind of beautiful idiot who is never going to really pan out consistently at the plate.

[MarkR]

If hittin'-Addison of the last few weeks is the real Addison? I'd give that a resounding "heck yes," though I'm biased mainly because I think Baez is some kind of beautiful idiot who is never going to really pan out consistently at the plate.

 

I just watch Javy in the field and see so much plus fielding potential that can be offset if he isn't an .800 OPS guy per season. He's extremely valuable in the field. I love his aggressiveness and while sometimes its misguided and a wee-bit overzealous, he isn't afraid to make that mistake on the base paths. That's where having Joe here is so vital. In the past, those kind of things would get a promising young player buried (ahem Dusty).

 

And while I'm not the biggest fan, Almora kind of falls in that same boat in terms of providing significant future value with his defense. While we'd love to have a lineup of guys who are all in the top 1/3 in the league as a hitter, that probably isn't realistic. Almora will (likely) provide enough defensively to make up for his (likely) offensive shortcomings. A lot of this becomes possible with a future hitting star behind the plate, Schwarber coming back next year, and Heyward likely outperforming his current production into next season.

[David]

Is Addison Russell a better player than Javy Baez? Just askin.

 

 

if javy baez had to hit righties more often, you wouldn't even be asking that question...which is sort of funny since addison hits like a blind guy with one hand tied behind his back against lefties.

[UMFan83]

Is Addison Russell a better player than Javy Baez? Just askin.

 

Javy might be better currently, but Addison still has the higher ceiling. Javy hits lefties a lot better and is bad against righties, Addison hits righties better and is bad against lefties. Javy strikes out less (feels funny typing that), but Addison walks more. Both are very good fielders. They strangely compliment each other right now.