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[Banedon]

 

Why's that? Because one of them nearly died not-driving because a drunk crashed? That was kind of Bedoya's point as he made clear in subsequent tweets.

 

Oh come on. He was making a petty joke about Wambach's criticism about foreign-born players being recruited for the US team.

 

Okay? And? Are you saying that Bedoya shouldn't have taken the cheap shot at her?

 

I was simply pointing out that his point was to be a dick. And that's fine. If he wants to do that, that's his prerogative.

 

But for him to then point to his friend almost having died in a drunk driving accident...well that's awful, but that's completely aside from the "foreign-born" joke tweet.

[USSoccer]

 

Oh come on. He was making a petty joke about Wambach's criticism about foreign-born players being recruited for the US team.

 

Okay? And? Are you saying that Bedoya shouldn't have taken the cheap shot at her?

 

I was simply pointing out that his point was to be a dick. And that's fine. If he wants to do that, that's his prerogative.

 

But for him to then point to his friend almost having died in a drunk driving accident...well that's awful, but that's completely aside from the "foreign-born" joke tweet.

 

I think the Davies reference was after he got a bunch of tweets at him flipping the eff out for daring to criticize Wambach in any way.

Edited April 4, 2016 by USSoccer

[Banedon]

Solo threw the entire MNT program under the bus on national television?

 

I get why the MNT would be mad about Wambach's comments, but Solo was arguing more that the women should be treated the same as the men, not that the men had done anything wrong. I don't think she was throwing them under the bus even a little bit.

[UMFan83]

 

Why's that? Because one of them nearly died not-driving because a drunk crashed? That was kind of Bedoya's point as he made clear in subsequent tweets.

 

Oh come on. He was making a petty joke about Wambach's criticism about foreign-born players being recruited for the US team.

 

Okay? And? Are you saying that Bedoya shouldn't have taken the cheap shot at her? That Altidore shouldn't have taken the cheap shot at her and the white-trash starting keeper who's run afoul of the law more than any other MNT member combined?

 

After Wambach insulted half the player pool and Solo threw the entire MNT program under the bus on national television?

 

But it was petty. The joke had no relation to the DUI. It was like 'oh she's in the news for doing something dumb, better take this opportunity to tweet a critical reference her comments that have no relation to this event."

[jersey cubs fan]

How did Hope Solo throw the men's team under the bus?

[USSoccer]

Solo threw the entire MNT program under the bus on national television?

 

I get why the MNT would be mad about Wambach's comments, but Solo was arguing more that the women should be treated the same as the men, not that the men had done anything wrong. I don't think she was throwing them under the bus even a little bit.

 

She said the men get paid to "just show up" while "they win championships". How is that not throwing the MNT under the bus?

[Banedon]

Solo threw the entire MNT program under the bus on national television?

 

I get why the MNT would be mad about Wambach's comments, but Solo was arguing more that the women should be treated the same as the men, not that the men had done anything wrong. I don't think she was throwing them under the bus even a little bit.

 

She said the men get paid to "just show up" while "they win championships". How is that not throwing the MNT under the bus?

 

Because the entire point was about pay! She's saying that the men get paid for simply appearing....where the women don't. And that the women don't get paid for winning championships like the men do.

 

She wasn't saying anything about the quality of the men's team.

[jersey cubs fan]

Solo threw the entire MNT program under the bus on national television?

 

I get why the MNT would be mad about Wambach's comments, but Solo was arguing more that the women should be treated the same as the men, not that the men had done anything wrong. I don't think she was throwing them under the bus even a little bit.

 

She said the men get paid to "just show up" while "they win championships". How is that not throwing the MNT under the bus?

 

How is that throwing them under the bus? Is it even possible for people on different teams to throw each other under a bus?

[USSoccer]

 

I get why the MNT would be mad about Wambach's comments, but Solo was arguing more that the women should be treated the same as the men, not that the men had done anything wrong. I don't think she was throwing them under the bus even a little bit.

 

She said the men get paid to "just show up" while "they win championships". How is that not throwing the MNT under the bus?

 

Because the entire point was about pay! She's saying that the men get paid for simply appearing....where the women don't. And that the women don't get paid for winning championships like the men do.

 

She wasn't saying anything about the quality of the men's team.

 

That was her implication and to say otherwise is silly. The whole point of those 5 doing press tours was to win a PR battle, which they've largely done. They've played on the success the WNT have had relative to the MNT when trying to compare their "pay" (and ignoring all of the relevant revenue/salary figures that destroy their argument-see my post last page). Instead of treating it like a collective bargaining issue like it is, they retained a bombthrower with an agenda, filed a public suit and immediately went on a PR blitz. They've framed it as a gender issue and used their success in contrast as evidence of the inequity.

 

It's completely part of the conversation they started, and Solo's comments took aim at a group that has always been publicly supportive of the WNT, including issues related to their CBA and memorandum of understanding that the WNT has been playing under.

[USSoccer]

 

I get why the MNT would be mad about Wambach's comments, but Solo was arguing more that the women should be treated the same as the men, not that the men had done anything wrong. I don't think she was throwing them under the bus even a little bit.

 

She said the men get paid to "just show up" while "they win championships". How is that not throwing the MNT under the bus?

 

Because the entire point was about pay! She's saying that the men get paid for simply appearing....where the women don't. And that the women don't get paid for winning championships like the men do.

 

She wasn't saying anything about the quality of the men's team.

 

The women in the player pool do get paid for simply appearing on a WNT roster...because they get a set salary from USSF. Before any gameday bonuses. So they also get paid "for just showing up".

Edited April 4, 2016 by USSoccer

[jersey cubs fan]

so the ladies should be quiet and take what they're given?

[USSoccer]

so the ladies should be quiet and take what they're given?

 

No. I said last page, the per game bonuses and per diem and travel expenses should absolutely be a lot more equitable. That should be easily fixed. But filing a lawsuit and going on a PR offensive while throwing the MNT-who collectively bargained those numbers just like the WNT collectively bargained theirs-under the bus was unnecessary and bound to piss MNT players off.

Edited April 4, 2016 by USSoccer

[Banedon]

That is a complete misreading of the entire situation.

 

I mean, of course it's a PR issue....every collective bargaining is. And make no mistake, the lawsuit is completely part of the collective bargaining process. But they gain nothing by tearing down the MNT. They want to raise the WNT to the same pay level.

 

"Framed it as a gender issue"....that's probably because it is one.

[jersey cubs fan]

so the ladies should be quiet and take what they're given?

 

No. I said last page, the per game bonuses and per diem and travel expenses should absolutely be a lot more equitable. That should be easily fixed. But filing a lawsuit and going on a PR offensive while throwing the MNT-who collectively bargained those numbers just like the WNT collectively bargained theirs-under the bus was unnecessary and bound to piss MNT players off.

I think it's childish to consider that being thrown under the bus.

 

And it's also silly to criticize them for filing a lawsuit.

 

The womens' team have been treated poorly and need to do what they can negotiate improvements while the iron is hot.

[Banedon]

The women in the player pool do get paid for simply appearing on a WNT roster...because they get a set salary from USSF. Before any gameday bonuses. So they also get paid "for just showing up".

 

Haha, ok. That's not what she was talking about though, and you know it.

[USSoccer]

That is a complete misreading of the entire situation.

 

I mean, of course it's a PR issue....every collective bargaining is. And make no mistake, the lawsuit is completely part of the collective bargaining process. But they gain nothing by tearing down the MNT. They want to raise the WNT to the same pay level.

 

"Framed it as a gender issue"....that's probably because it is one.

 

No, it's a revenue and union issue. The women generate a lot less revenue and get essentially subsidized by USSF in terms of base salary and the fact that USSF subsidizes nearly their entire professional league. They aren't getting paid less because they're women. The gap in bonuses are what they collectively bargained for and are based on revenues and the other benefits they already get but aren't being discussed because they don't fit the narrative that Kessler and the WNT are putting out there.

[USSoccer]

so the ladies should be quiet and take what they're given?

 

No. I said last page, the per game bonuses and per diem and travel expenses should absolutely be a lot more equitable. That should be easily fixed. But filing a lawsuit and going on a PR offensive while throwing the MNT-who collectively bargained those numbers just like the WNT collectively bargained theirs-under the bus was unnecessary and bound to piss MNT players off.

I think it's childish to consider that being thrown under the bus.

 

And it's also silly to criticize them for filing a lawsuit.

 

The womens' team have been treated poorly and need to do what they can negotiate improvements while the iron is hot.

 

Poorly is a bit much. Especially if it's Hope Solo complaining she's been treated poorly. If Tim Howard beat the horsefeathers out of his nephew, got tanked and stole a team van with his wife he probably wouldn't get called up anymore.

[Banedon]

That is a complete misreading of the entire situation.

 

I mean, of course it's a PR issue....every collective bargaining is. And make no mistake, the lawsuit is completely part of the collective bargaining process. But they gain nothing by tearing down the MNT. They want to raise the WNT to the same pay level.

 

"Framed it as a gender issue"....that's probably because it is one.

 

No, it's a revenue and union issue. The women generate a lot less revenue and get essentially subsidized by USSF in terms of base salary and the fact that USSF subsidizes nearly their entire professional league. They aren't getting paid less because they're women. The gap in bonuses are what they collectively bargained for and are based on revenues and the other benefits they already get but aren't being discussed because they don't fit the narrative that Kessler and the WNT are putting out there.

 

So you do think they should just shut up and deal.

[USSoccer]

That is a complete misreading of the entire situation.

 

I mean, of course it's a PR issue....every collective bargaining is. And make no mistake, the lawsuit is completely part of the collective bargaining process. But they gain nothing by tearing down the MNT. They want to raise the WNT to the same pay level.

 

"Framed it as a gender issue"....that's probably because it is one.

 

No, it's a revenue and union issue. The women generate a lot less revenue and get essentially subsidized by USSF in terms of base salary and the fact that USSF subsidizes nearly their entire professional league. They aren't getting paid less because they're women. The gap in bonuses are what they collectively bargained for and are based on revenues and the other benefits they already get but aren't being discussed because they don't fit the narrative that Kessler and the WNT are putting out there.

 

So you do think they should just shut up and deal.

 

Where the hell are you getting that from?

 

I'm saying that USSF should fix the gameday bonuses, per diem and travel disparities to make them more equitable. I'm also saying that the matter is a hell of a lot more nuanced than has been put out there and that just saying "they're treated poorly and make way less than the men" is a overly simplistic way to look at it, and that the gameday stuff is not the only financial compensation the WNT get.

[Banedon]

 

No. I said last page, the per game bonuses and per diem and travel expenses should absolutely be a lot more equitable. That should be easily fixed. But filing a lawsuit and going on a PR offensive while throwing the MNT-who collectively bargained those numbers just like the WNT collectively bargained theirs-under the bus was unnecessary and bound to piss MNT players off.

I think it's childish to consider that being thrown under the bus.

 

And it's also silly to criticize them for filing a lawsuit.

 

The womens' team have been treated poorly and need to do what they can negotiate improvements while the iron is hot.

 

Poorly is a bit much. Especially if it's Hope Solo complaining she's been treated poorly. If Tim Howard beat the [expletive] out of his nephew, got tanked and stole a team van with his wife he probably wouldn't get called up anymore.

 

Oh FFS. None of Solo's issues have anything to do with what's being talked about here. Bringing that up is exactly what was wrong with Bedoya and Jozy's tweets.

[USSoccer]

I think it's childish to consider that being thrown under the bus.

 

And it's also silly to criticize them for filing a lawsuit.

 

The womens' team have been treated poorly and need to do what they can negotiate improvements while the iron is hot.

 

Poorly is a bit much. Especially if it's Hope Solo complaining she's been treated poorly. If Tim Howard beat the [expletive] out of his nephew, got tanked and stole a team van with his wife he probably wouldn't get called up anymore.

 

Oh FFS. None of Solo's issues have anything to do with what's being talked about here. Bringing that up is exactly what was wrong with Bedoya and Jozy's tweets.

 

I'm explaining why they tweeted what they did and why they would be upset.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How did Hope Solo throw the men's team under the bus?

 

Poor guys were just hanging out on the sidewalk, didn't even see it coming.

[wolf stansson]

USS's earlier point about US Soccer subsidizing NWSL is a very, very good one. I hadn't considered that.

 

Still, I'd love a transparent revenue to reward equal equation if not an outright equal share of all soccer revenue to the men. But that's just my progressive politics showing.

 

 

All that said, Hope Solo shouldn't even be on the team, let alone a spokesman for any of these issues.

[soccer10k]

In the 10 minutes after he gave Atletico Madrid the lead at Barcelona, Fernando Torres got sent off for two stupid fouls, particularly the second one.

[KaiserCesar]

The second one was so ridiculous. I think without that, Atletico holds on for a 1-1 at the worst. Getting out of there 2-1 is a victory with how much Barca was peppering the goal.