Rays/Cubs Talking Baez Trade Per Tampa Beat Writer

[Cubswin11]

I am assuming that Boxberger is the "top closer" we were mentioned with.

 

going after a guy with a lot of saves and bad peripherals just doesn't fit this front office's MO at all

Rodney and Soriano... but that's different those guys were gotten for literally nothing

[Guest]

If that means McGee and Boxberger in exchange for Baez, I am intrigued, but unsure. That would give us one heck of a pen with Rondon, McGee, Boxberger, Strop & Grimm at the back end. We'd be getting six years of control back (2-McGee, 4-Boxberger) for the six we give up in Javy.

 

In the end, it depends on your faith in Baez (and Castro + Soler). I'd probably turn this down, but I'd have to think about it for a while.

 

What is this infatuation with Boxberger? He's not good. He had one great year in 2014 and has otherwise been poor. His 2015 peripherals are just bad. 4.26FIP 4.00xFIP 4.57BB/9 including a constantly high HR/FB%

He's great when he can throw strikes. If they feel there's something Bosio can clean up, then there is big value there. McGee is about as solid as it gets for relievers, though.

[squally1313]

I am assuming that Boxberger is the "top closer" we were mentioned with.

 

The only issue there being that Boxberger might suck.

[Tryptamine]

Marlin Bystro

Blake Snell is a name with Tampa that is being forgotten here. I know the Cubs liked him in the past.

 

McGee and Snell for Baez, I would be absolutely thrilled.

[biittner77]

Bosio has had a lot of success getting the most out of/ turning around pitchers. However, those guys were all obtained for little to nothing. Trading actual assets for a chance for Bosio to work his magic seems risky.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Marlin Bystro

Blake Snell is a name with Tampa that is being forgotten here. I know the Cubs liked him in the past.

 

McGee and Snell for Baez, I would be absolutely thrilled.

I would like Snell as well.

[Guest]

Marlin Bystro

Blake Snell is a name with Tampa that is being forgotten here. I know the Cubs liked him in the past.

 

McGee and Snell for Baez, I would be absolutely thrilled.

Yeah, that's the kind of mlb ready pitching depth I want.

[Guest]

Honestly, while I like both guys, I think I would prefer Smyly over Odorizzi, provided everything checked out health wise (I know Smyly missed some time last year, but I can't recall what it was for). Smyly feels like he's got a bit higher ceiling, and I'm not sure Odorizzi is significantly safer than Smyly. Furthermore, it feels like a Smyly/McGee combo might come cheaper than a Odorizzi/McGee combo.

 

As for whether or not the Cubs can put together enough - if Baez is in there, they can probably get it done with Baez, maybe a major league arm of some sort, and prospects/young players (not sure what on the young players part ... the Rays system is pretty ... well balanced, with positional assets and pitchers, and some intriguing guys in different levels). It's probably going to be costly, but the right combination of pitchers should make it worthwhile to go down that route, particularly if the Cubs get some control at a limited cost. The Rays do seem like one of the better match-ups, club wise, as it relates to arms.

 

Smyly had a torn labrum last season. Chose rest over surgery and came back at the end of the season but I'm not interested in parting with Baez for a pitcher with that type of injury history.

[davell]

Marlin Bystro

Blake Snell is a name with Tampa that is being forgotten here. I know the Cubs liked him in the past.

 

McGee and Snell for Baez, I would be absolutely thrilled.

Yeah, that's the kind of mlb ready pitching depth I want.

 

 

Thirded.

[imb]

I still think Moore would be a good buy. He was almost an unparalleled prospect, came up and shined in his debut and won a playoff game IIRC. I think something happened to his elbow that offseason, because he was good but down a few notches the next year, then the ligament popped.

 

He seems like he's right in that window of "ok im back from TJS time to be good again"

[sneakypower]

I still think Moore would be a good buy. He was almost an unparalleled prospect

about that...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

[imb]

I still think Moore would be a good buy. He was almost an unparalleled prospect

about that...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

 

i meant as a pitcher, lefty, gas, huge breaking ball, 13.5k/9 in AAA as a 22-year-old

[Guest]

With the re-signing of Cahill, the Cubs would be one Heyward-signing and a couple backups away from being a monster this season if they did a Baez for McGee+Snell trade.

 

Heyward

Bryant

Rizzo

Soler

Schwarber

Castro

Montero

Russell

 

La Stella

Ross

Coghlan

OF

IF

 

Arrieta

Lester

Lackey

Hendricks

Hammel

 

Rondon

McGee

Strop

Grimm

Cahill

Brothers

Richard

Wood

(cast of thousands)

 

With Snell ready to step in for injury/performance issues, Cahill/Richard/Wood being a swing guys who can step in for a spot start. Snell steps into the rotation in 2017. That's a really, really strong team.

[sneakypower]

I still think Moore would be a good buy. He was almost an unparalleled prospect

about that...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

 

i meant as a pitcher, lefty, gas, huge breaking ball, 13.5k/9 in AAA as a 22-year-old

i just like that he was listed above Mike Trout 3.5 years ago and now we're talking about what we'd have to add on their end to give up .598 career OPS Javy Baez

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I don't see how we could afford Heyward unless we moved Castro. The highest-end reports had us with $30m to spend, and we've gone through more than 2/3rds of that.

[Guest]

I don't see how we could afford Heyward unless we moved Castro. The highest-end reports had us with $30m to spend, and we've gone through more than 2/3rds of that.

Drop $7M by trading Wood.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I still think Moore would be a good buy. He was almost an unparalleled prospect

about that...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

#42 and #89 amuse me.

[Fro]

I don't see how we could afford Heyward unless we moved Castro. The highest-end reports had us with $30m to spend, and we've gone through more than 2/3rds of that.

 

Backload the contract until we have dat Cubs network TV monies.

[Guest]

I don't see how we could afford Heyward unless we moved Castro. The highest-end reports had us with $30m to spend, and we've gone through more than 2/3rds of that.

 

levine said this morning to expect a payroll around $150M but the way he explained it was some arguello level math so i'm not sure how much credence to lend it

[imb]

I don't see how we could afford Heyward unless we moved Castro. The highest-end reports had us with $30m to spend, and we've gone through more than 2/3rds of that.

 

levine said this morning to expect a payroll around $150M but the way he explained it was some arguello level math so i'm not sure how much credence to lend it

 

I love that arguello will never live that down (here at least)

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I still think Moore would be a good buy. He was almost an unparalleled prospect

about that...

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/rankings/top-100-prospects/2012/2612998.html

#42 and #89 amuse me.

 

Brett Jackson 15 spots ahead of Anthony Rizzo. Javier Baez and Matt Szczur 3 spots apart.

[Guest]

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[Guest]

How about Cobb?

 

 

REALLY not interested in Moore

[Cubswin11]

Cobb would be okay as a depth addition. Don't love the idea of him and McGee for Baez, wish we could get a pitcher with a little more upside (Odorizzi). But I'd be okay I guess with Cobb/McGee.

[Guest]

Cobb would be okay as a depth addition. Don't love the idea of him and McGee for Baez, wish we could get a pitcher with a little more upside (Odorizzi). But I'd be okay I guess with Cobb/McGee.

 

is odorizzi's upside really any higher?