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Well, I didn't think we'd go to that level on him. Was kind of hoping beyond hope he'd take a bit less from us. But that's a bunch of money. He's got an opt out after 3 years too.

 

 

 

At least it's time for some action now.

 

I figured we'd go to that level if we got him because I figured anybody that was getting him was paying $210M for 7 years and i thought we might get him.

 

that opt out is interesting. he'd be even older than greinke. could he get more than ~$120/4 at that point? maybe could get himself some more money on a lower AAV.

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Oh well. Not st. louis, at least.

 

nowhere in the NL. i'll take it.

 

and maybe if we face him in the world series he'll still be a gutless chocking dog.

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

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Well, I didn't think we'd go to that level on him. Was kind of hoping beyond hope he'd take a bit less from us. But that's a bunch of money. He's got an opt out after 3 years too.

 

 

 

At least it's time for some action now.

 

I figured we'd go to that level if we got him because I figured anybody that was getting him was paying $210M for 7 years and i thought we might get him.

 

that opt out is interesting. he'd be even older than greinke. could he get more than ~$120/4 at that point? maybe could get himself some more money on a lower AAV.

 

I thought we had a shot at Scherzering him. He got 7/210, but it was set up like this....10 mill in 2015, 15 mill in 16-18, 35 mill in 19-21.....50 mill signing bonus-5 mill in 2015, and 15 mill each of 19-21. The 19-21 salaries of 35 mill apiece are paid in 7 different 15 mill installments between 2022-2028.....

 

When Theo was talking about getting creative, this is what I was thinking he meant. And why I've always thought that the supposed 30 mill we have to spend can go a very long way.

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

 

I would not hesitate to give these guys opt outs. If I can get three years of a stud pitcher but he walks away for more money after, fine by me. Give me the three year of studliness for only money and I am all set.

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I'm a little surprised to see him sign this fast, thought it would drag out.

 

I mean, he lives in Nashville, which is where the Winter Meetings are. I thought it was a definite he'd sign during them.

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

 

Yeah, I hadn't seen that yet when I said that. It's almost pure downside for Boston in the sense that if he completely bombs, they're stuck with him. I guess, on the other hand, if he does well, getting out of 33-36 isn't the worst thing.

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I'm a little surprised to see him sign this fast, thought it would drag out.

 

I mean, he lives in Nashville, which is where the Winter Meetings are. I thought it was a definite he'd sign during them.

Why? You think he has a reason to line up his signing for marketing purposes at the GM meetings?

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

 

I would not hesitate to give these guys opt outs. If I can get three years of a stud pitcher but he walks away for more money after, fine by me. Give me the three year of studliness for only money and I am all set.

 

100%

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I'm having a hard time getting upset about the idea that we didn't spend $200+ million on a pitcher.

 

Besides, Tampa put a lot of mileage on his arm. It always felt like they knew they'd never be able to extend him, so his long-term health was ultimately of little concern. It seemed like every time I tuned in to watch him pitch he'd get damn near 120 pitches before Maddon would pull him.

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

 

Yeah, I hadn't seen that yet when I said that. It's almost pure downside for Boston in the sense that if he completely bombs, they're stuck with him. I guess, on the other hand, if he does well, getting out of 33-36 isn't the worst thing.

 

It's a great thing. You aren't signing David Price to a 3 year contract, but if he doesn't break, the Red Sox just did.

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

 

I would not hesitate to give these guys opt outs. If I can get three years of a stud pitcher but he walks away for more money after, fine by me. Give me the three year of studliness for only money and I am all set.

 

yeah for real, that's best case scenario.

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I don't understand how there could be a GM in baseball who would express this much shock at this

 

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I'm a little surprised to see him sign this fast, thought it would drag out.

 

I mean, he lives in Nashville, which is where the Winter Meetings are. I thought it was a definite he'd sign during them.

Why? You think he has a reason to line up his signing for marketing purposes at the GM meetings?

 

He already put a deposit down on his booth.

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That doesn't even seem like an overbid. So much for those reports.

To me, the overpay comes in the form of the opt-out after three years. He's the highest paid pitcher in history, it's probably tough to get much more money after that.

 

Yeah, I hadn't seen that yet when I said that. It's almost pure downside for Boston in the sense that if he completely bombs, they're stuck with him. I guess, on the other hand, if he does well, getting out of 33-36 isn't the worst thing.

 

It's a great thing. You aren't signing David Price to a 3 year contract, but if he doesn't break, the Red Sox just did.

 

if he's just kinda good but not broken, he probably doesn't opt out of $125M/4, does he?

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BNightengale The St. Louis Cardinals finished runner-up in the David Price sweepstakes. #STLCards

 

of course he's reporting that

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so what? if you dont give him an opt out and just give him straight 7/210, and he's good but not great, he can't opt out anyway, so what's the difference
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Yeah, inflation needs to really go crazy for Price to be confident enough that he's getting 4/125 from some team after he turns 33. Maybe he gets 5/140 and prefers that if the (lack of) backloading is right, but the opt out doesn't serve much practical purpose to me.

 

Heyward, on the other hand, could absolutely get another megadeal after a 3-4 year opt out at age 29-30.

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