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09/26 Pittsburgh (Liriano) @ CUBS (Hammel) 12:05 CDT, Fox TV

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Hopefully Rizzo figures it out by next Weds

This is my biggest concern now. Better cold now.

 

 

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Hopefully Rizzo figures it out by next Weds

 

Yeah we gotta crush those Reds

 

A week from Weds, whatever. Hughes said "next Wednesday." He also called Soler "Soriano," though.

 

Can't get swept. Need just a little bit of confidence going into PNC.

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As I said a couple weeks ago, I'd rather face the Pirates in a 1-game elimination with Arrieta on the mound vs. Cole, than having to face Liriano, Burnett, and Cole a combined 5 times in a series. The Cubs have never hit any of the 3, and I'd think the Pirates would have every non-Arrieta pitching advantage. Let the Cards win the division. I'm all for a tie after 162 though.

They have a better team so yes, the one game gives us a better chance than letting their superior lineup show up over several games.

 

I don't agree with that at all. Pirates are at best marginally better offensively (18 more runs scored, 1 point higher OPS). They lost one of their best hitters. The Cubs offense includes many hitters who did not even start the year with the team. Their pitching depth is definitely better, which is what concerns me in the playoffs.

 

I think he meant the Pirates are better than the Cards in this instance.

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I really want Kevin Gausman. Obviously not as the only pitcher, but man I think he'd benefit from getting out of Baltimore.

 

While I know it shouldn't play into things, my honest guess is we'd be the last team they trade him to, after Jake....

 

Maybe, but I could see them having interest in Javy as someone who can play either SS or 3B depending on what they're going to do with Machado.

 

Here's my Javy HOT TAKE - he's sacrificed a most of his power to now have a K/BB ratio that is merely terrible instead of historically awful. Yes, I'm probably taking his short stint in the Majors this year too much into consideration, but his ISO took a pretty big hit in AAA this year compared to last season as well. I'm also assuming Theo would like to trade one of Javy/Starlin and that Javy has more trade value. I will be the leader of the TRADE JAVY bandwagon this offseason, and Gausman is a great target.

 

I can see that, but I don't think the power has been compromised myself. Way too small of a major league audition(it was fine in AAA).

 

I think Starlin is the one who gets moved. We won't get anything earth shattering back, but I think it'll be enough to allow us to move him.

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Should we rest Jake tomorrow? Think home-field in WC game is out of reach.

 

The ideal scenario is that Pirates/Cards tie and have to play on Monday and burn one of their starters.

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Pitchers and their rhythms and stuff-I wouldn't. I mean [expletive], wasn't Hammel basically awesome until the first time Joe yanked him early?(Granted, he's not Jake)

 

I'll be meatballish on this though, let him pitch. Even if its a set pitch count, just don't skip him.

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I really want Kevin Gausman. Obviously not as the only pitcher, but man I think he'd benefit from getting out of Baltimore.

 

While I know it shouldn't play into things, my honest guess is we'd be the last team they trade him to, after Jake....

 

Maybe, but I could see them having interest in Javy as someone who can play either SS or 3B depending on what they're going to do with Machado.

 

Here's my Javy HOT TAKE - he's sacrificed a most of his power to now have a K/BB ratio that is merely terrible instead of historically awful. Yes, I'm probably taking his short stint in the Majors this year too much into consideration, but his ISO took a pretty big hit in AAA this year compared to last season as well. I'm also assuming Theo would like to trade one of Javy/Starlin and that Javy has more trade value. I will be the leader of the TRADE JAVY bandwagon this offseason, and Gausman is a great target.

 

I can see that, but I don't think the power has been compromised myself. Way too small of a major league audition(it was fine in AAA).

 

I think Starlin is the one who gets moved. We won't get anything earth shattering back, but I think it'll be enough to allow us to move him.

 

His power was respectable in Iowa this year, yes, but it dropped from 2014 to a .200 ISO in the PCL, and for someone who's going to have a K rate hovering around 30% and a below average walk rate, it needs to REALLY good for him to be any kind of impact player. I'm not necessarily saying he'll be bad, I just kind of think he'll be an OK player at best. I think he has to choose between being a guy who strikes out around 30% of the time with OK power (and not many walks), or someone who strikes out 35-40% with really good power. It's a weird situation where I'm confident Starlin will be the better player for 2016, but I'm also pretty confident Javy has a lot more trade value. Trading Javy for something good (if possible) instead of Starlin for something "meh," combined with how I think think they'll each perform in 2016, is the much more ideal route for me.

 

btw, I'm completely willing to acknowledge my view on Javy is still hot take-y as we're not dealing with huge samples, but it's still how I feel.

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Should we rest Jake tomorrow? Think home-field in WC game is out of reach.

 

The ideal scenario is that Pirates/Cards tie and have to play on Monday and burn one of their starters.

 

Would you skip his start entirely? If so you are giving him 10 days off then 1 start before his WC start

 

If you just move him back, he's not on track for the WC game anymore. Plus you'd let the Royals get a free look at the Game 1 and 5 starter in the World Series.

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