Cubs Acquire Austin Jackson; DFA Olt

[Sammys Boombox]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

[Guest]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

[Cubbie Swagger]

I like how Soler has better numbers than Russell basically all across the board, but somehow Russell is a God and Soler should get benched in favor of Austin Jackson?

[Guest]

I like how Soler has better numbers than Russell basically all across the board, but somehow Russell is a God and Soler should get benched in favor of Austin Jackson?

 

lol

[Thed Hoyerstein]

I like how Soler has better numbers than Russell basically all across the board, but somehow Russell is a God and Soler should get benched in favor of Austin Jackson?

 

Russell is 21, shown offensive improvement throughout the year, and brings tons more defensive value than soler.

 

even then, really weird comparison for you to bring up.

[UMFan83]

I like how Soler has better numbers than Russell basically all across the board, but somehow Russell is a God and Soler should get benched in favor of Austin Jackson?

 

Too many reasons I don't even know where to start.

 

I still feel decent about Soler being really good though.

[Sammy Sofa]

I like how Soler has better numbers than Russell basically all across the board, but somehow Russell is a God and Soler should get benched in favor of Austin Jackson?

 

Sure, outside of Addison being about a 2 WAR player and Soler being about -0.1, they're practically the same!

[SouthSideRyan]

If you include this in Theo's trade deadline grade, does the F stay an F, or does it get a bump to a D or D+ or so?

 

Really though, what a horrible trade deadline for us. We make two July 31st deals and the best player we add is on August 31st.

 

I know, right? Hendry would have got Joe Blanton and Johnny Gomes and only given up 3 of our top 10 prospects.

 

I still curse Brendan Harris and Ray Sadler's names.

[Sammys Boombox]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

 

There seems to be more people upset now that the Cubs didn't make a move for a pitcher than there were at the deadline. There especially seemed to be more last week when our shot at the division was marginally better.

[mul21]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

 

There seems to be more people upset now that the Cubs didn't make a move for a pitcher than there were at the deadline. There especially seemed to be more last week when our shot at the division was marginally better.

 

I'm pretty sure most were pretty pissed all we got was a middling (at best) 5th starter type and an iffy reliever. There was some understanding that there wasn't much to be had without giving up a king's ransom, but I don't think much of anybody was happy with what went down at the non-waiver deadline.

[Guest]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

 

There seems to be more people upset now that the Cubs didn't make a move for a pitcher than there were at the deadline. There especially seemed to be more last week when our shot at the division was marginally better.

 

It made even more sense to make a move when the playoff odds were lower.

[RammyFanny]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

 

There seems to be more people upset now that the Cubs didn't make a move for a pitcher than there were at the deadline. There especially seemed to be more last week when our shot at the division was marginally better.

 

It made even more sense to make a move when the playoff odds were lower.

 

Yeah, what the heck. The time to play it safe is when you have a comfortable lead in the playoff race, not when every win and loss could mean the difference between getting in and being left out.

 

I'm not going to overly criticize since we don't know what was being demanded, but it's absolutely OK to be disappointed on the surface.

[sneakypower]

If you include this in Theo's trade deadline grade, does the F stay an F, or does it get a bump to a D or D+ or so?

 

Really though, what a horrible trade deadline for us. We make two July 31st deals and the best player we add is on August 31st.

 

I know, right? Hendry would have got Joe Blanton and Johnny Gomes and only given up 3 of our top 10 prospects.

 

I still curse Brendan Harris and Ray Sadler's names.

you make a good point, Hendry really never traded any good prospects at the trade deadline

 

changing subjects, who do you guys think will win AL MVP this year

[squally1313]

If you include this in Theo's trade deadline grade, does the F stay an F, or does it get a bump to a D or D+ or so?

 

Really though, what a horrible trade deadline for us. We make two July 31st deals and the best player we add is on August 31st.

 

I know, right? Hendry would have got Joe Blanton and Johnny Gomes and only given up 3 of our top 10 prospects.

 

I still curse Brendan Harris and Ray Sadler's names.

you make a good point, Hendry really never traded any good prospects at the trade deadline

 

changing subjects, who do you guys think will win AL MVP this year

 

Just saying....you also could have gone with the AL Cy Young.

[UMFan83]

If you include this in Theo's trade deadline grade, does the F stay an F, or does it get a bump to a D or D+ or so?

 

Really though, what a horrible trade deadline for us. We make two July 31st deals and the best player we add is on August 31st.

 

I know, right? Hendry would have got Joe Blanton and Johnny Gomes and only given up 3 of our top 10 prospects.

 

I still curse Brendan Harris and Ray Sadler's names.

you make a good point, Hendry really never traded any good prospects at the trade deadline

 

changing subjects, who do you guys think will win AL MVP this year

 

Just saying....you also could have gone with the AL Cy Young.

 

Dallas Keuchel was a Cub?

 

(kidding I know)

[Sammys Boombox]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

 

There seems to be more people upset now that the Cubs didn't make a move for a pitcher than there were at the deadline. There especially seemed to be more last week when our shot at the division was marginally better.

 

It made even more sense to make a move when the playoff odds were lower.

 

I'm not saying that was my stance. I thought I remembered people being ok with Haren because "at least he's like a real major league pitcher" for a 5th starter. I do remember others saying his peripherals pointed to a big spike in ERA - which has happened. But I know that others were plenty happy we kept hold of all of our prospects. I don't keep track of what each person said at the time. It just seems to me that the board wasn't as overwhelming in the "We should have gotten a better pitcher" camp as they are now.

 

And the reason I've seen people lament in game threads not getting another pitcher is the playoff rotation would be pretty crappy after Arrieta and Lester. Whereas at the deadline people were making the argument that a rental pitcher would be dumb because the Cubs might lose the Wild Card game and this isn't really our year yet - I do not/did not agree with this sentiment.

[Sammy Sofa]

The people that want to hoard the prospects are terrible and smell bad. This has always been true.

[SouthSideRyan]

If you include this in Theo's trade deadline grade, does the F stay an F, or does it get a bump to a D or D+ or so?

 

Really though, what a horrible trade deadline for us. We make two July 31st deals and the best player we add is on August 31st.

 

I know, right? Hendry would have got Joe Blanton and Johnny Gomes and only given up 3 of our top 10 prospects.

 

I still curse Brendan Harris and Ray Sadler's names.

you make a good point, Hendry really never traded any good prospects at the trade deadline

 

changing subjects, who do you guys think will win AL MVP this year

 

Josh Donaldson would've just cost us Kris Bryant.

 

Oh, and he was [expletive] terrible for us the year we traded him, graded out as C+ by Sickels even after being promoted immediately and destroying High A the rest of the way with the A's.

[sneakypower]

Josh Donaldson would've just cost us Kris Bryant.

 

Oh, and he was [expletive] terrible for us the year we traded him, graded out as C+ by Sickels even after being promoted immediately and destroying High A the rest of the way with the A's.

oh, well, if even the prospects who become MVPs are/were terrible prospects, then i agree with your stance that we never actually traded anybody worth a damn before

[sneakypower]

The people that want to hoard the prospects are terrible and smell bad. This has always been true.

i mostly just like prospects because i've paid attention to baseball enough to notice the Cardinals have lost a #1 SP, their best hitter and like six other important players due to injury and had actual good players available to fill in

 

i've also noticed the times where the Cubs had to resort to castoff [expletive] stains like Mike Baxter, Dallas Beeler, Yoervis Medina or whoever anytime somebody goes down

[Guest]

There seems to be a lot of revisionist history on the feelings at the deadline. Cubs were no lock for even a one-game playoff and division hopes were very slim.

 

Meaning what?

 

There seems to be more people upset now that the Cubs didn't make a move for a pitcher than there were at the deadline. There especially seemed to be more last week when our shot at the division was marginally better.

 

It made even more sense to make a move when the playoff odds were lower.

 

I'm not saying that was my stance. I thought I remembered people being ok with Haren because "at least he's like a real major league pitcher" for a 5th starter. I do remember others saying his peripherals pointed to a big spike in ERA - which has happened. But I know that others were plenty happy we kept hold of all of our prospects. I don't keep track of what each person said at the time. It just seems to me that the board wasn't as overwhelming in the "We should have gotten a better pitcher" camp as they are now.

 

And the reason I've seen people lament in game threads not getting another pitcher is the playoff rotation would be pretty crappy after Arrieta and Lester. Whereas at the deadline people were making the argument that a rental pitcher would be dumb because the Cubs might lose the Wild Card game and this isn't really our year yet - I do not/did not agree with this sentiment.

 

That doesn't mean those were the same people.

 

As far as me, I wanted a move. (I was hoping we'd hang onto Javy but was willing to give him up if we had to). I don't think anybody was advocating trading Schwarber or some [expletive], so I really don't get the whole mentality of the prospect hoarders thinking the opposing viewpoint was dealing away all the kids or something.

 

My response to Haren IIRC was like "eh...well...better than nothing, i guess?"

[SouthSideRyan]

Josh Donaldson would've just cost us Kris Bryant.

 

Oh, and he was [expletive] terrible for us the year we traded him, graded out as C+ by Sickels even after being promoted immediately and destroying High A the rest of the way with the A's.

oh, well, if even the prospects who become MVPs are/were terrible prospects, then i agree with your stance that we never actually traded anybody worth a damn before

 

Well let's just make another dumbass LLF comment into how you're the bestest baseball fan in the world. People who are mad about trading prospects for Rich Harden in '08 are bad people.

[Guest]

Josh Donaldson would've just cost us Kris Bryant.

 

Oh, and he was [expletive] terrible for us the year we traded him, graded out as C+ by Sickels even after being promoted immediately and destroying High A the rest of the way with the A's.

oh, well, if even the prospects who become MVPs are/were terrible prospects, then i agree with your stance that we never actually traded anybody worth a damn before

 

Well let's just make another dumbass LLF comment into how you're the bestest baseball fan in the world. People who are mad about trading prospects for Rich Harden in '08 are bad people.

 

sure but you kinda deserve to be made fun of when you make dismissive jokes about the prospects hendry traded when he traded away chris archer and josh donaldson

 

take your medicine, moneybags

[SouthSideRyan]

Josh Donaldson would've just cost us Kris Bryant.

 

Oh, and he was [expletive] terrible for us the year we traded him, graded out as C+ by Sickels even after being promoted immediately and destroying High A the rest of the way with the A's.

oh, well, if even the prospects who become MVPs are/were terrible prospects, then i agree with your stance that we never actually traded anybody worth a damn before

 

Well let's just make another dumbass LLF comment into how you're the bestest baseball fan in the world. People who are mad about trading prospects for Rich Harden in '08 are bad people.

 

sure but you kinda deserve to be made fun of when you make dismissive jokes about the prospects hendry traded when he traded away chris archer and josh donaldson

 

take your medicine, moneybags

 

Archer wasn't a deadline deal. It was an oh [expletive] I'm gonna lose my job if we don't win this year move. Sneaky's playing the role of Pirates fan mad about trading Jose Bautista.

Edited September 1, 2015 by SouthSideRyan

[Guest]

The missed opportunity from the deadline in my mind was Kazmir. He was a definitive upgrade that didn't cost an arm and a leg. Most of the other SP at the deadline did not get traded(Gallardo, Kennedy, Ross/Carrasco), were prohibitively expensive(Price, Cueto, and Hamels), or not truly better than Haren(Happ, Latos). There's also a few others like Wood and Fiers who have some other mitigating circumstances associated with them so it's difficult to see if making a deal for them would have been feasible for the Cubs. I'd also accept Leake being a missed opportunity, I just don't trust that guy one bit and him missing several starts immediately after the trade doesn't help.

 

I was okay with the Haren deal, I figured the coaching staff could help maximize his stuff and minimize any regression to his FIP. The opposite happened and his HR rate has doubled. Now that the rosters have expanded, they really should give some thought to piggy-backing Haren with someone like Wada.