08/27 CUBS (Haren) @ San Francisco (Bumgarner) 2:45 CDT, CSN TV

[UMFan83]

If we do not win today Cubs will be 2-3 when Haren starts and 16-3 when he doesn't stsrt

[UMFan83]

If you can count on winning maybe 20% of games started by Haren and Hendricks

 

this is silly as [expletive]

 

You're right I don't know why I said 20%

[ctcf]

Is it too early to start drinking?

 

yeah i think so lol

 

I think your post on pitchers just pushed me over the edge

[UMFan83]

Those 2 days off really killed Russell's offensive mojo

[sontensei]

This is the scarey part of this team the 4-5 starter has been mediocre all year.. Hendricks had some good games, and some bad ones, Haren is pretty much trash unless he pitches in a pitchers ball park... The cubs lead in the 2nd wild card probably wont go away (although it could by end of september) but Triple H will probably be why we cant catch the Pirates for 1st spot or Cards.. Triple H paired with 50% AAAA lineup is pretty much very low probability to win as we know.. but heck there is a nice comfy lead on the wildcard at the moment. so i guess it is what it is..

 

jesus [expletive] christ

I got about halfway through that and just stopped reading.

 

When the cubs matchup the other teams 1st / 2nd starters vs. our 4th / 5th starters,.. i dont care about L/R matchups the best hitters need to play regardless of splits.. Gotta score runs, lots of them because the cubs starters will give em up.

[Fred Hornkohl]

CUBS are seeing 4.60 P/PA through 4 innings.

 

 

Go CUBS !!

[Guest]

what did dabum get banned for anyway?

 

this guy HAS to have done whatever he did by now. just in sheer volume it's statistically impossible that he hasn't.

[sontensei]

Is it too early to start drinking?

 

yeah i think so lol

 

I think your post on pitchers just pushed me over the edge

 

Its the truth, cant deny it. The offense carried the cubs during this nice historic winning stretch. look back at the scores usually when Triple H has pitched in August the team either lost or Put up lots of runs.. The offense has been carrying the team

[Agony and Ivy]

This is the scarey part of this team the 4-5 starter has been mediocre all year.. Hendricks had some good games, and some bad ones, Haren is pretty much trash unless he pitches in a pitchers ball park... The cubs lead in the 2nd wild card probably wont go away (although it could by end of september) but Triple H will probably be why we cant catch the Pirates for 1st spot or Cards.. Triple H paired with 50% AAAA lineup is pretty much very low probability to win as we know.. but heck there is a nice comfy lead on the wildcard at the moment. so i guess it is what it is..

 

jesus [expletive] christ

I got about halfway through that and just stopped reading.

 

When the cubs matchup the other teams 1st / 2nd starters vs. our 4th / 5th starters,.. i dont care about L/R matchups the best hitters need to play regardless of splits.. Gotta score runs, lots of them because the cubs starters will give em up.

 

Ok. Sontensei is Harold Reynolds. When 1's and 2's go against 4's and 5's you're at a disadvantage? Get the [expletive] outta here with that analysis.

[UMFan83]

This is the scarey part of this team the 4-5 starter has been mediocre all year.. Hendricks had some good games, and some bad ones, Haren is pretty much trash unless he pitches in a pitchers ball park... The cubs lead in the 2nd wild card probably wont go away (although it could by end of september) but Triple H will probably be why we cant catch the Pirates for 1st spot or Cards.. Triple H paired with 50% AAAA lineup is pretty much very low probability to win as we know.. but heck there is a nice comfy lead on the wildcard at the moment. so i guess it is what it is..

 

jesus [expletive] christ

I got about halfway through that and just stopped reading.

 

When the cubs matchup the other teams 1st / 2nd starters vs. our 4th / 5th starters,.. i dont care about L/R matchups the best hitters need to play regardless of splits.. Gotta score runs, lots of them because the cubs starters will give em up.

 

Fowler and Soler are hurt, Coghlan can't hit lefties. Not sure why Montero is out when we are down so many guys though. He hits lefties fine.

[Guest]

seriously though i'm going to stomp my feet and scream about kazmir

 

WHY IS HE NOT A CUB

[AramFan]

i'm so glad we traded for this piece of garbage

At least we held onto those precious prospects

We didn't need to make a big move, we just needed to not acquire someone whose numbers basically SCREAMED "I am about to get crushed into oblivion and you would be [expletive] morons to give me important innings"

 

I'll never understand these obviously crappy deals from the Theo/Hoyer braintrust. Haren isn't the first. Factoring in the amazing transformation of the farm system and some decent to outstanding trades, how do you go get Haren or sign E. Jackson etc. etc. ? A blindspot to a certain veteran profile?

[UMFan83]

Is it too early to start drinking?

 

yeah i think so lol

 

I think your post on pitchers just pushed me over the edge

 

Its the truth, cant deny it. The offense carried the cubs during this nice historic winning stretch. look back at the scores usually when Triple H has pitched in August the team either lost or Put up lots of runs.. The offense has been carrying the team

 

And the pitchers carried the offense when he sucked in June/July

[sontensei]

what did dabum get banned for anyway?

 

this guy HAS to have done whatever he did by now. just in sheer volume it's statistically impossible that he hasn't.

 

you tell me what i said that isnt true and ill pay you ./.

 

facts are facts. the cubs bottom of the rotation is [expletive]. if the bats arent* strong we dont win. Our hot streak in August was due to the BATS coming alive. you watched every game also right? The main reason our offense has been top in the NL in the 2nd half was because of August. Dont sit here and tell me you are blind to see the truth

Edited August 27, 2015 by sontensei

[Sammy Sofa]

Dan Haren is the reason why people in the minor league threads slobbering all over prospect lists and how the Cubs could possibly fit everyone into the lineup fills me with such inexplicable rage at times

[PrimeTime]

They better not trot out this trash the rest of September

[sontensei]

Is it too early to start drinking?

 

yeah i think so lol

 

I think your post on pitchers just pushed me over the edge

 

Its the truth, cant deny it. The offense carried the cubs during this nice historic winning stretch. look back at the scores usually when Triple H has pitched in August the team either lost or Put up lots of runs.. The offense has been carrying the team

 

And the pitchers carried the offense when he sucked in June/July

 

They DID! But Haren and Hendricks arent very good. Hendricks is average.

[UMFan83]

seriously though i'm going to stomp my feet and scream about kazmir

 

WHY IS HE NOT A CUB

 

That should have been a no brainer given the price it took to get him. Would be so so nice to have him pitching instead of Haren

[BigSlick]

Remember Jon Lieber yall? This whole thing reminds me of the Jon Lieber acquisition

[Guest]

what did dabum get banned for anyway?

 

this guy HAS to have done whatever he did by now. just in sheer volume it's statistically impossible that he hasn't.

 

you tell me what i said that isnt true and ill pay you ./.

 

facts are facts. the cubs bottom of the rotation is [expletive]. if the bats arent* strong we dont win. Our hot streak in August was due to the BATS coming alive. you watched every game also right? The main reason our offense has been top in the NL in the 2nd half was because of August. Dont sit here and tell me you are blind to see the truth

 

you said kyle hendricks is mediocre

 

you think our rotation is a weakness

 

you think 5th starters are supposed to be really good

 

all of it is wrong

[BigSlick]

Looking at the number Lieber was actually better than I remembered and was like league average (though his peripherals forecast doom)

[sontensei]

what did dabum get banned for anyway?

 

this guy HAS to have done whatever he did by now. just in sheer volume it's statistically impossible that he hasn't.

 

you tell me what i said that isnt true and ill pay you ./.

 

facts are facts. the cubs bottom of the rotation is [expletive]. if the bats arent* strong we dont win. Our hot streak in August was due to the BATS coming alive. you watched every game also right? The main reason our offense has been top in the NL in the 2nd half was because of August. Dont sit here and tell me you are blind to see the truth

 

you said kyle hendricks is mediocre

 

you think our rotation is a weakness

 

you think 5th starters are supposed to be really good

 

all of it is wrong

 

tell that to the cardinals which we trail by what 6 games? Hendricks is Average! he isnt above average he isnt good he is average look at how his stats rank up and that he is NOT average.

Edited August 27, 2015 by sontensei

[Guest]

They DID! But Haren and Hendricks arent very good. Hendricks is average.

 

Even if Hendricks were average, which he's not, it would be good to have an average starter as your 4th best pitcher.

[UMFan83]

 

yeah i think so lol

 

I think your post on pitchers just pushed me over the edge

 

Its the truth, cant deny it. The offense carried the cubs during this nice historic winning stretch. look back at the scores usually when Triple H has pitched in August the team either lost or Put up lots of runs.. The offense has been carrying the team

 

And the pitchers carried the offense when he sucked in June/July

 

They DID! But Haren and Hendricks arent very good. Hendricks is average.

 

If Hendricks is average, that's pretty good for a 4th starter.

 

To me Hendricks is a young inconsistent pitcher. He had a stretch this year where he had something like 25 straight scoreless innings. You can't just forget that and only focus on his recent outings

[BigSlick]

good christ man, you can't even get the pitcher out