Patrick Kane Rape Investigation

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You guys remember the time he beat the [expletive] out of a cabbie over like 33 cents, right? Not to be a troll, but you needed this to sour you on Kane being a scum bag?

 

That is not exactly what happened.

 

If this happened the way it looks like it may have happened, Kane is a horrible human being. And maybe he is regardless. But that cab incident did not exactly happen that way.

[wolf stansson]

This is a whole other level and almost everyone is accepting it as fact, showing exactly the esteem held for him as a person before this.

 

Seriously, nobody is saying "no way, he's an angel". It's quite a douchey troll thing to say you needed this to happen before you realized he wasn't a nice guy?

My response wasn't necessarily directed at a specific post in this thread, more a reaction to listening to a lot of Chicago radio coverage and reading the predictably gross Twitter response from his defenders. The truth is that a lot of reasonable Hawks fans have embraced or at least downplayed the boorish KANER schtick and are now having a hard time dealing with what might be the reality of his whole thing and what that says about the nature of their own fandom having done that.

[Guest]

Can i still hope he didn't do it?

[Ryne Ween]

No you can't. That's worse than you actually doing it.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I hope he didn't do it, but if fear the worse

[Banedon]

Sources with knowledge of the investigation said that the young woman who has accused the hockey superstar of rape had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg after the alleged attack.

 

The woman alleges that Kane invited her and a female friend to his home for a private party after they met him last Saturday night at SkyBar, a popular nightclub on Franklin Street, the sources said.

 

Shortly after she and her friend arrived at Kane’s home on Old Lakeshore Road, the accuser alleges that she went by herself into another room, where Kane followed her, overpowered her and raped her, the sources said.

 

The woman left Kane’s home with her friend and used a cellphone to call a relative immediately after the alleged attack. She then went to a local hospital for examination, and police were called afterward, the sources said.

 

The alleged attack occurred about 4 a.m. last Sunday, about an hour after Kane was seen leaving SkyBar.

 

A person who knows the woman described her as frantic and traumatized when she called her relative to report what happened.

 

http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/new-details-emerge-in-allegations-against-nhl-star-patrick-kane-20150809

[kujay]

Well that's very troubling.

[UMFan83]

He's f'ed and so are the Hawks

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I know innocent until proven guilty and all, but that report doesn't sound good.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Ugh. Obviously, the worst part is either that this happened or that someone is being falsely accused (and it's looking pretty likely that it's not the second one).

 

The second worst part is that we're never going to get a clean outcome. I either want Kane completely exonerated or I want him to never play for the Blackhawks again. But it's going to end up the same way it always ends up: Not enough evidence for a conviction because he can claim rough but consensual, and he's skating out there come October and ruining the Blackhawks.

[Felix Leiter]

I join the others who hope the PK isn't guilty of this and if he, is that he never plays for the Hawks. John McDonough is anal about the image of the Hawks and didn't waste anytime on making sure that Josh Mora and Susannah Collins of CSN were launched because they ran aground of his standards. But lawyers have said on the air that this is likely to drag on for awhile, possibly even years. Think of how long the Reggie Bush case took and so many sports related cases. Do the Hawks let him play(after all it's still an investigation), suspend him depending a conviction(the union would sue in a heartbeat) or cut/trade him? It's a mess. Richard Jewell is a perfect example of jumping to a conviction too fast.

[Guest]

I know this isn't the important thing, but it's going to be like those 3 championships never happened.

[ARCubsFan]

I know this isn't the important thing, but it's going to be like those 3 championships never happened.

Uh why?

[Derwood]

I know this isn't the important thing, but it's going to be like those 3 championships never happened.

 

wow what

[Guest]

I know this isn't the important thing, but it's going to be like those 3 championships never happened.

Uh why?

 

because kane was arguably the biggest part of them. If this turns out to be true, I don't see how anyone will be able to look back on the last 7 years of hockey fondly. his fingerprints are all over everything. it will all be ruined to me.

[Guest]

I mean I guess you could still go back and watch the highlights and just fast forward through all the huge goals scored by the would-be rapist

[UMFan83]

I know this isn't the important thing, but it's going to be like those 3 championships never happened.

Uh why?

 

because kane was arguably the biggest part of them. If this turns out to be true, I don't see how anyone will be able to look back on the last 7 years of hockey fondly. his fingerprints are all over everything. it will all be ruined to me.

 

Eh no I'll still enjoy the championships quite a bit. There were plenty of other guys who gave their blood sweat and tears to win a championship, one idiot rapist is not going to take anything away from what the rest accomplished.

[Guest]

what's almost certainly going to happen is he's going to get off one way or another and then you're going to have to live with the whole "did he or didn't he" thing which might almost be worse.

 

hard to see him ending up in prison unless there is some crazy damning evidence like he had cameras in his house or something

[Banedon]

What's a little crazy to me is that we haven't gotten the "I look forward to proving my innocence" statement from Kane/his lawyer.

 

EDIT: Although, now that I think about it, I suppose they're probably waiting for an actual charge before proclaiming innocence,

[Guest]

I was expecting Kane and his cousins gang-raping her. This claim is not better, if he did it, but it's certainly harder to prove and might not be true.

[Sammy Sofa]

Holy [expletive], this interview with the bar owner in the Buffalo News is absurd:

 

http://deadspin.com/report-accuser-claims-patrick-kane-overpowered-and-rap-1723073528

 

There is a lot more in the Buffalo News story, and the largest section—from an interview with the owner of Sky Bar, is really [expletive] questionable. Mark Croce is afforded plenty of space to tell the paper that a woman was being “very forward, very flirtatious” with Kane—who he says wasn’t noticeably drunk—and that she “followed” him when he left the bar.

 

This is irresponsible reporting by the News. Brian Moritz and Alan Bedenko have already written about the inclusion of Croce’s account, and they’ve both done excellent jobs of it, so I urge you to read both of them. Moritz identifies this as what it is: victim-blaming. The implication is that the woman was drunk and attracted to Kane—neither of which has the least relevance to anything that may have happened later that night, or the question of consent. Bedenko calls out the News for failing to put Croce’s comments in the context of a biased bar owner attempting to avoid liability in any potential criminal investigations or civil suits that may spring from this incident. (There were originally photos of Kane at the bar posted on Sky Bar’s Facebook page, but after news of the accusations broke, the bar deleted those photos.)

 

In the News story, Croce finally admits he has no idea if the woman at the bar was the same one who accused Kane of rape. That alone should have been enough for the paper to not publish his remarks. The News has been doing very good reporting on the Kane investigation, but this was a very bad move.

[Guest]

I was expecting Kane and his cousins gang-raping her. This claim is not better, if he did it, but it's certainly harder to prove and might not be true.

 

Does it make me a terrible person to point out how weird it is (doesn't mean it's not true - just means it sounds a little unusual) that, as a guest at a strange house, she would walk into some room by herself?

 

Again, not saying it's not true. Hell, maybe he told her she could go pass out on some bed and then he followed her in. Who knows? Just sounded weird when I was first picturing what was written.

[Banedon]

I was expecting Kane and his cousins gang-raping her. This claim is not better, if he did it, but it's certainly harder to prove and might not be true.

 

Does it make me a terrible person to point out how weird it is (doesn't mean it's not true - just means it sounds a little unusual) that, as a guest at a strange house, she would walk into some room by herself?

 

Again, not saying it's not true. Hell, maybe he told her she could go pass out on some bed and then he followed her in. Who knows? Just sounded weird when I was first picturing what was written.

 

Who says it was a bedroom? Just to throw out random possibilities, a rec room with jersey's and other memorabilia that would have drawn her in...and maybe had a couch or something where the attack took place? We don't have enough information to say it was weird or not.

[jersey cubs fan]

I was expecting Kane and his cousins gang-raping her. This claim is not better, if he did it, but it's certainly harder to prove and might not be true.

 

Does it make me a terrible person to point out how weird it is (doesn't mean it's not true - just means it sounds a little unusual) that, as a guest at a strange house, she would walk into some room by herself?

 

Again, not saying it's not true. Hell, maybe he told her she could go pass out on some bed and then he followed her in. Who knows? Just sounded weird when I was first picturing what was written.

 

I do not think that makes you a terrible person* but I do not think that is weird at all. In that situation, post-bar get together at a celebrity's lakeside mansion, I would expect guests to wind up roaming around and finding rooms unattended. If I was a well known athlete with a big ass house on a lake and I was taking strangers back there after the bar, I would bet heavily that this type of things happens every single night.

 

 

*your faulty hard drive makes you a terrible person

[Guest]

Holy [expletive], this interview with the bar owner in the Buffalo News is absurd:

 

http://deadspin.com/report-accuser-claims-patrick-kane-overpowered-and-rap-1723073528

 

There is a lot more in the Buffalo News story, and the largest section—from an interview with the owner of Sky Bar, is really [expletive] questionable. Mark Croce is afforded plenty of space to tell the paper that a woman was being “very forward, very flirtatious” with Kane—who he says wasn’t noticeably drunk—and that she “followed” him when he left the bar.

 

This is irresponsible reporting by the News. Brian Moritz and Alan Bedenko have already written about the inclusion of Croce’s account, and they’ve both done excellent jobs of it, so I urge you to read both of them. Moritz identifies this as what it is: victim-blaming. The implication is that the woman was drunk and attracted to Kane—neither of which has the least relevance to anything that may have happened later that night, or the question of consent. Bedenko calls out the News for failing to put Croce’s comments in the context of a biased bar owner attempting to avoid liability in any potential criminal investigations or civil suits that may spring from this incident. (There were originally photos of Kane at the bar posted on Sky Bar’s Facebook page, but after news of the accusations broke, the bar deleted those photos.)

 

In the News story, Croce finally admits he has no idea if the woman at the bar was the same one who accused Kane of rape. That alone should have been enough for the paper to not publish his remarks. The News has been doing very good reporting on the Kane investigation, but this was a very bad move.

 

Bar owner trying to protect himself by protecting Kane?

 

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