Front Office Thread

[imb]

Judging Theo by win/loss before this year is ridiculous. He had a plan we all knew it. Whether you are/were on board is up to you. This is the first year that we are actually trying to contend.

 

That doesn't suddenly mean that he gets a pass for being awful for those 3 years. You obviously don't view the W-L of those years through the same lense as you do now, but they have to be good enough to justify it going forward.

 

So we won't know if it was justified for a few years, so see you then I guess. Or just do your best to enjoy the ride, whether that means wishing upon a star and hoping the prospects blossom and there's money to supplement them with FAs, or whether it means being a kyle and giving only a passing mention to anything positive while expecting everything that could go wrong will go wrong.

[SouthSideRyan]

I love that Kyle uses 3 years where Theo was purposely not trying to compete to compare him to Hendry who had a team that was closer to success than the mess he left his successor with. And I know he will have a field day with this comment..I'll try to explain

 

Theo had a plan and he executed it and now it's time to see the results. The 3 years he punted will always factor into his evaluation but if those 3 years are followed by 5 straight playoff seasons obviously the plan worked and everyone is happy (except Kyle of course) and the 3 years of losing were obviously (again except to Kyle) worth it. If they make the playoffs 2 of the next 5 seasons then you reevaluate the years he punted and openly question the need to lose from 2012-2014. If we don't make any playoffs then..well it's an unquestioned disaster and Theo probably doesn't make it 4 more seasons after this one.

 

If they make the playoffs twice from 2012-2019, you don't reevaluate and question, you call it a failure.

[SouthSideRyan]

2) 2016 is up in the air-Depends on offseason, not just ours either, with Cards getting new TV deal.

 

I don't think the Cardinals see any of that money for a couple of years

 

Miraculously, the Cardinals are likely to spend money that they know they'll make in the future. It's a novel concept that I wish the Cubs would try.

[SouthSideRyan]

no one's going near those jorts.

 

And I bet Kyle wears his tighty whities inside out to save money at the laundromat.

[SouthSideRyan]

The front office chose a plan and within that plan they have done a good job.

 

Maybe another plan would have been better. But we'll never know, so we might as well see how this one goes. Anything else is just pissing in the wind. The end.

 

Exactly. Does theo deserve praise? His goal, and the reason for sacrificing 3 seasons was to build a team of young cost controlled stars that makes the playoffs most years. Well he's built a team of young cost controlled players that is in the thick of the playoff hunt, and probably a year earlier than originally outlined. So if you measure the job the FO is done based on the results, he's on his way to looking pretty successful. Like I said earlier I think it's fair if you reserve judgment and praise for 3-4 more years to see how many times they make the playoffs/World Series. Because yes it is a big gamble to punt 3 years to execute the plan. If they only make the playoffs 1-2 times and most of the young players are a bust, then yes Theo failed imo.

 

It's a year later than originally outlined. The whisper campaign was always about 2014. Nobody ever considered 2016 the first year the team would be competing for the playoffs, because that would be stupid.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

no one's going near those jorts.

 

And I bet Kyle wears his tighty whities inside out to save money at the laundromat.

 

Laudromat? I ain't taking the time and expense to put nine separate quarters on strings.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

At no point did Hendry field a team that had a shot at sustained multiple year success that could replace talent in-house, which is what Theo is on the verge of doing. I wanna be the Cardinals, basically. And the infrastructure is there for that possibility.

 

Hendry's 2nd team had a shot at sustained success that could replace talent in-house and then [expletive] pitchers and [expletive] Dusty Baker.

[BigSlick]

Whatever happened to the Cubs plans to get their own tv deal and a truckload of money anyway

[imb]

Whatever happened to the Cubs plans to get their own tv deal and a truckload of money anyway

 

Kyle violated the sanctity of DMs and blew it up

[SouthSideRyan]

Whatever happened to the Cubs plans to get their own tv deal and a truckload of money anyway

 

Their TV deal isn't up until after 2019

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Whatever happened to the Cubs plans to get their own tv deal and a truckload of money anyway

 

Kyle violated the sanctity of DMs and blew it up

 

And waged a war on Theo to deflect my guilt.

[Backtobanks]

Judging Theo by win/loss before this year is ridiculous. He had a plan we all knew it. Whether you are/were on board is up to you. This is the first year that we are actually trying to contend.

 

That doesn't suddenly mean that he gets a pass for being awful for those 3 years. You obviously don't view the W-L of those years through the same lense as you do now, but they have to be good enough to justify it going forward.

 

Whether he gets a pass is tied into the future of this team.

As of right now it's a huge incomplete.

 

He signed a 5 year contract, so I assume he thought he could fully implement his plan within 5 years. I know his contract will be renewed, but he is in year 4.

[dcvalpo]

The Cubs are doing something completely different than anything else that has ever been successfully done. If they make the playoffs, it will be the first time a team has ever made the playoffs with 4 rookie starters (per the Score). It makes it harder to evaluate when a similar plan has never been successfully executed.

[TruffleShuffle]

my first reaction upon seeing this thread was "gee, i bet kyle is trolling the [expletive] out of this thread."

 

he has not disappointed.

[sontensei]

Theo is up for extension soon, what if he decides to leave?!? 8-[

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/paul-goldschmidt-extension-diamondbacks.html

[UMFan83]

Theo is up for extension soon, what if he decides to leave?!? 8-[

 

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/paul-goldschmidt-extension-diamondbacks.html

 

I've thought about that in the past, but not with things really staring to take off. Unless the Cubs win the world series this year or next, I don't think there's any chance he doesn't see this through.

[Derwood]

How stupid would it be for him to leave? He built the team up only to let a new guy take the credit if they win it all? Come on

[ARCubsFan]

Yeah Theo isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It would be hilarious if he left but of course he's not going to.

[davell]

My concern(if there was one) was him going back to Boston once Lucchino left. Now that that's not a possibility, where can he go? The Yankees? I can't see it myself. And I don't see any other gigs with the cache needed that'd lure him away.

[Guest]

My concern(if there was one) was him going back to Boston once Lucchino left. Now that that's not a possibility, where can he go? The Yankees? I can't see it myself. And I don't see any other gigs with the cache needed that'd lure him away.

Lucchino has an ownership stake, so he's not going anywhere. It's really interesting to me that they hired Dombrowski as he's not really a "build the right way" type of GM.

[SouthSideRyan]

It's really interesting to me that they hired Dombrowski as he's not really a "build the right way" type of GM.

 

Literally every team he's ever GMd is really confused by this.

[Thed Hoyerstein]

It's really interesting to me that they hired Dombrowski as he's not really a "build the right way" type of GM.

 

You mean like with the Tigers when they went 186-300 in Dombrowski's first 3 seasons?

 

Note: Epstein was 200-286 from 12-14

[Brian]

I would have to imagine a very large and unprecedented amount of money and/or a huge falling out with Ricketts would be the only reasons for Theo to leave this early. He's already had his dream job and won twice. Now he's at the ultimate ego/legacy job.

[Guest]

Yeah, he's not passing up the chance at becoming an actual baseball god by being the executive in charge when both of the most storied championship droughts are ended