2015 Cubs-Related Trade Deadline Rumor Thread

[Derwood]

I just don't think that the Padres spend all that money, have half a season of bad baseball, and look to blow it all up again.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Gammons is reporting that the Padres are listening to offers on Shields I wonder if the Padres would go for a Castro + Jackson for Shields + Venable deal. Tweak with a few prospects going both ways. Total money is close to even.

Why on earth would the Padres make that deal?

 

It's possible Castro has some value..who knows. But yeah throwing Jackson in there completely kills this as a viable trade offer.

 

If we were picking up the rest of his salary, I suppose it couldn't hurt them to see if he could be of some use in one of the most pitcher friendly parks on earth. But he'd be a tertiary piece with something of more value in between.

[mul21]

So when are we getting Gerardo Parra? I'm just done with Fowler at this point.

[Guest]

Gammons is reporting that the Padres are listening to offers on Shields I wonder if the Padres would go for a Castro + Jackson for Shields + Venable deal. Tweak with a few prospects going both ways. Total money is close to even.

 

I don't remember the exact wording but Olney said something the other day about how he wouldn't be surprised if Shields was traded to the Cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I just don't think that the Padres spend all that money, have half a season of bad baseball, and look to blow it all up again.

 

Maybe ownership pressured management to acquire as many big names as possible to drive up the team's value so they could sell. No, that's just crazy.

 

But speaking of the Padres, here's a thought, and it won't be a popular one. Could be all out rage inducing. And Gifs. Lots of Gifs. But it's just a thought.

 

 

I won't even say his name. Shouldnt need to. He's been jolly awful. He's owed 21, 750,000 each of the next 4 years, of which 3.5 per year is being paid by the Dodgers, bringing him down to 18.25 per. Still a lot for the age 31-34 seasons of an injury prone OF having the worst year of his career by far. But it's probably a lot more when you're a small market team.

 

With this in mind, if we could offer them a decent enough prospect package to pick up another 5-7MM/year, would he be worth the gamble in the 12MM/year neighborhood? A change of scenery could be just what the man needs; especially when he'd be moving from two cavernous, pitcher friendly, hells to Wrigley. Certainly has to be good for his horrendous defensive numbers.

 

[Clem Fandango]

No to Matt Kemp. He's a corner, and we don't need a corner, especially at the coast of Soler's development or Coghlan's better hitting ability. Neither Coghlan or Kemp will win a gold glove, but Coghlan has one of the team's best BB%, making him a great top of the order hitter, and his BABIP luck from the beginning of the season has been starting to shift and the results are speaking for themselves. On May 22nd Coghlan's AVG was .200. It hasn't been lower since that date. Since then he's gone .285/.400/.400/.800 with a 23:23 BB:K ratio in 46 games. That's a very useful hitter. We don't need someone like Kemp. We need a CF'er to replace Fowler who has been terrible.

 

Coincidentally enough, May 22nd was the last time Fowler's OPS was over .800. Since then he's gone .190/.253/.305/.557 with a 15:47 BB:K ratio in 45 games. Prior to that point he was .265/.358/.445/.803 with a 21:35 BB:K rate. He's clearly been in a massive decline and it's seriously hurting the Cubs. We need a CF'er, not a corner OF'er who is no better than our current options and costs nearly three times as much as both of them combined even when you half his salary.

[Tryptamine]

Not sure how that makes a lot of sense. They need pitching so they'd trade away a major league ready pitcher as well as a top 30 pitching prospect who should move quickly?

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Well, it's pretty weird for you to think we'd trade one of our best starting pitchers in a quest to improve our starting pitching.

 

I get that you are saying we'd then trade for Hamels, but I think it's pointless -- Hammel isn't getting moved. Btw, what is a "multi year starter"?

[jersey cubs fan]

The Cubs trading away Hammel? That would be a nutso ballsy sell high even though we're right in the midst of the playoff hunt move.

[sontensei]

the only way i could be fine with trading Hammel is if he is bringing us back a better pitcher in return and his inclusion is just to offset salaries or something.. even then it wouldn't resolve the issue of the #5 starter by committee unless of course some nearly ready AA/AAA prospects were involved.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Cubs trading away Hammel? That would be a nutso ballsy sell high even though we're right in the midst of the playoff hunt move.

Would have to be to a team that is out of it this year, but expects to be good next year...A's? Pads?

[Guest]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/07/14/some-execs-reportedly-believe-cubs-will-go-after-justin-upton-plus-other-cubspadres-speculation/

 

corner OF would seem a weird way to go

[KingCubsFan]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/07/14/some-execs-reportedly-believe-cubs-will-go-after-justin-upton-plus-other-cubspadres-speculation/

 

corner OF would seem a weird way to go

They could put Coghlan at 3rd and Bryant in CF and have the worst defense in the league.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, it's pretty weird for you to think we'd trade one of our best starting pitchers in a quest to improve our starting pitching.

 

I get that you are saying we'd then trade for Hamels, but I think it's pointless -- Hammel isn't getting moved. Btw, what is a "multi year starter"?

 

Would it *actually* be pointless to turn a soon to be 33 year old RHSP coming off the best two half seasons of his career into a highly regarded, healthy young arm yet to break out like a Daniel Norris?

 

I don't think it's pointless so much as it hard to believe that selling high on Hammel could even be a possibility at this point in time. Couldn't the FO just yell out arbitrage and dual fronts to explain it?

 

It would be pretty cool if they refused to do a press conference and instead just yelled out ARBITRAGE! while the reporters hustle to get an explanation for such a trade.

[Guest]

Well, it's pretty weird for you to think we'd trade one of our best starting pitchers in a quest to improve our starting pitching.

 

I get that you are saying we'd then trade for Hamels, but I think it's pointless -- Hammel isn't getting moved. Btw, what is a "multi year starter"?

 

Would it *actually* be pointless to turn a soon to be 33 year old RHSP coming off the best two half seasons of his career into a highly regarded, healthy young arm yet to break out like a Daniel Norris?

 

I don't think it's pointless so much as it hard to believe that selling high on Hammel could even be a possibility at this point in time. Couldn't the FO just yell out arbitrage and dual fronts to explain it? Love the fit with the Blue Jays, who clearly are built for a 2015-2016 window at this point, have the lineup to cushion the fall of a regressed performance from Hammel, and have some interesting young arms (well for me, just Norris) with rare talent and health.

 

I like Norris a good bit, but he's still a guy who was downright bad in his first taste of MLB and has been good but not dominant at AAA. That matters when you're trading away a pretty steady commodity 1 for 1 in a rotation that 1) is trying hard to make the playoffs and 2) is actively giving starts to Clayton Richard for lack of any other depth options.

[Clem Fandango]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/07/14/some-execs-reportedly-believe-cubs-will-go-after-justin-upton-plus-other-cubspadres-speculation/

 

corner OF would seem a weird way to go

 

I've thought Upton would be a good offseason FA target, personally. Trade target? I mean, I'd want his bat in the lineup but what would it cost?

[Gilby]

Olney tweeted that an exec he talked to said there's a 75-90% Shields gets traded at the deadline. I wonder if that Shields-Castro framework has been discussed. I can't imagine there are a lot teams jumping at the idea of acquiring Shields and the 3/63 left on his deal (when he'll be 36 at the end of it). He's been weird this season - K's way up, walks way up, velo down, homers way up.. Edited July 18, 2015 by Gilby

[Guest]

No thanks on Sheilds unless the Padres are picking up a majority of the tab on his salary. He's trending in the wrong direction.

[PetermanRealityTour]

CBS reporting Cubs offered Castro and Baez for Hamels

[Guest]

CBS reporting Cubs offered Castro and Baez for Hamels

 

this is like a game of telephone

 

it's all piggybacking off a report from stark and stark didn't say they offered both together.

[PetermanRealityTour]

CBS reporting Cubs offered Castro and Baez for Hamels

 

this is like a game of telephone

 

it's all piggybacking off a report from stark and stark didn't say they offered both together.

 

Yeah didn't click on the story just saw the headline...

 

Report: Cubs trying for Cole Hamels; Offering Starlin Castro, Javier Baez

 

 

The Chicago Cubs have shown interest in Cole Hamels and have recently scouted him, as I wrote for Baseball Essential, but do the two teams have what it takes to complete a deal?

 

With their deep farm system, the Cubs are well positioned to make a run at Hamels. The Cubs, however, prefer not to trade those young, talented players, since they plan to build around them.

 

In trade talks with the Phillies, the Cubs have floated both Javier Baez and Starlin Castro, rival teams tell Jayson Stark of ESPN.com, but the Phillies “appear no more than lukewarm about either of them.” It’s hard to imagine both being included in a deal, though.

 

The Cubs, as one exec noted, are likely in the market for players signed through this season and are unlikely to be interested in acquiring a couple month rental, so Hamels fits what they are looking for.

 

If the Cubs do in fact acquire Hamels, it would give them a trio at the top of the rotation of Hamels, Jon Lester and Jake Arrieta. With that pitching, combined with their talented young corps of hitters, it would make them a tough out in the playoffs.

 

Nothing is close, but it’s clear that we should be keeping an eye on the Cubs in the Hamels sweepstakes. Less than nine days to go. Who’s ready?

 

[Guest]

arismendy hug watch alert

[ConstableRabbit]

arismendy hug watch alert

Wait what?

[Guest]

arismendy hug watch alert

Wait what?

 

Not in the lineup but allegedly available to play

[davell]

arismendy hug watch alert

Wait what?

 

False alarm. Not in lineup, but there and on lineup card.