Blackhawks off season

[Guest]

I'd be shocked if Kane suffers any real consequence from this. He's a millionaire pro athlete who apparently was careful to not allow incriminating evidence leave his house.

 

So I wouldn't be worried about this impacting the Hawks. That said, we basically already know he was a scumbag. He'll be our Roethlesberger.

[Smack]

 

What's stupid is you thinking that having a "bottomless supply of women throwing themselves at him" would stop a rapist from raping like it'd be solely about that.

 

I said it's solely about that? Ok.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'd be shocked if Kane suffers any real consequence from this. He's a millionaire pro athlete who apparently was careful to not allow incriminating evidence leave his house.

 

A rape kit is pretty incriminating

[Banedon]

I'd be shocked if Kane suffers any real consequence from this. He's a millionaire pro athlete who apparently was careful to not allow incriminating evidence leave his house.

 

A rape kit is pretty incriminating

 

Yeah, seems like some kind of settlement with the victim is probably the way he tries to skate on this...no pun intended.

[Guest]

I'd be shocked if Kane suffers any real consequence from this. He's a millionaire pro athlete who apparently was careful to not allow incriminating evidence leave his house.

 

A rape kit is pretty incriminating

It can certainly confirm they had sex. Depending on the circumstances of the sexual encounter it may not be conclusive enough to prove rape. We're likely dealing with an acquaintance rape where alcohol was involved. If it wasn't a very physical and forcible rape, you are in a he said she said without other evidence or reliable third reliable witness.

[Guest]

 

What's stupid is you thinking that having a "bottomless supply of women throwing themselves at him" would stop a rapist from raping like it'd be solely about that.

 

I said it's solely about that? Ok.

 

You questioned why he'd be raping anyone because he has a wealth of willing options. One can only conclude that you think that having consensual options would stop a rapist from raping. That's not what rape is about and not what causes rapists to rape.

[squally1313]

I'd be shocked if Kane suffers any real consequence from this. He's a millionaire pro athlete who apparently was careful to not allow incriminating evidence leave his house.

 

A rape kit is pretty incriminating

It can certainly confirm they had sex. Depending on the circumstances of the sexual encounter it may not be conclusive enough to prove rape. We're likely dealing with an acquaintance rape where alcohol was involved. If it wasn't a very physical and forcible rape, you are in a he said she said without other evidence or reliable third reliable witness.

 

Yeah that's going to be the tough part for all of us. If she's willing to submit to a rape test, it makes it very likely that something sexual happened. But we'll likely never know what actually happened. While the overwhelming priority should be and is making sure the truth is reached and the girl is ok, from Kane's perspective, he's in trouble given his reputation and the fact that rape laws are set up to be tilted against the guy in any given situation.

[jersey cubs fan]

the fact that rape laws are set up to be tilted against the guy in any given situation.

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[Guest]

Rape laws are tilted against the guys? Particularly millionaire athletes?

[Guest]

i'd be surprised to find that others weren't involved.

[squally1313]

the fact that rape laws are set up to be tilted against the guy in any given situation.

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Yeah you're totally right, I didn't phrase that right, or at least that's far from the main issue. And I'll stop after this, as I'm guessing even this will get criticized, but if this case is with a girl he met at the bar, that means all that really needs to be proven is A. she was drinking (and therefore unable to give consent), and B. they had sex. While, again, the overwhelming priority is to ensure the well-being of the victim, I just always found it a little...tough that if they were both drinking (and both unable to give consent) it still falls out the way it does.

[Wilson A2000]

Even if there's a settlement, Kane could miss serious time I'm assuming. What happened to Hardy.

[jersey cubs fan]

the fact that rape laws are set up to be tilted against the guy in any given situation.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ddf7RjFi1qc3759o1_250.gif

Yeah you're totally right, I didn't phrase that right, or at least that's far from the main issue. And I'll stop after this, as I'm guessing even this will get criticized, but if this case is with a girl he met at the bar, that means all that really needs to be proven is A. she was drinking (and therefore unable to give consent), and B. they had sex. While, again, the overwhelming priority is to ensure the well-being of the victim, I just always found it a little...tough that if they were both drinking (and both unable to give consent) it still falls out the way it does.

 

I think you are misinformed. That's not really "all it takes". I think that is the theoretical message you might want to get across to your son if you are trying to reinforce to the stupid little [expletive] how important it is to not rape, but in the real world it takes a whole hell of a lot more than just proving there was sex and she had a drink.

[jersey cubs fan]

Even if there's a settlement, Kane could miss serious time I'm assuming. What happened to Hardy.

Who is Hardy?

[Guest]

Even if there's a settlement, Kane could miss serious time I'm assuming. What happened to Hardy.

Who is Hardy?

 

Greg Hardy

[Guest]

the fact that rape laws are set up to be tilted against the guy in any given situation.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ddf7RjFi1qc3759o1_250.gif

Yeah you're totally right, I didn't phrase that right, or at least that's far from the main issue. And I'll stop after this, as I'm guessing even this will get criticized, but if this case is with a girl he met at the bar, that means all that really needs to be proven is A. she was drinking (and therefore unable to give consent), and B. they had sex. While, again, the overwhelming priority is to ensure the well-being of the victim, I just always found it a little...tough that if they were both drinking (and both unable to give consent) it still falls out the way it does.

The ambiguity involved that you are describing means the defendant goes free in our justice system. Innocent until proven guilty. A civil lawsuit is a different matter, but Kane has the resources to keep that all hushed and under wraps unlike a criminal suit where everything is public.

 

Again, I'll be shocked if he suffers any real consequence from this. Slap on the wrist in the form of a short suspension. Some money out of his pocket, and nothing on his criminal record.

[jersey cubs fan]

Even if there's a settlement, Kane could miss serious time I'm assuming. What happened to Hardy.

Who is Hardy?

 

Greg Hardy

 

Oh, well what has happened in the NFL does not apply.

 

 

Bettman is not Goodell.

[Guest]

Even if Bettman came down relatively hard, do you really see them keeping one of the biggest stars in one of the most successful hockey markets out of playoff games? Even if he missed half the season, Hawks will make the playoffs and Kane will have time to get into rhythm and be well rested to deliver more huge ratings in a cup run.

 

NFL could afford to come down on Hardy (even though I'm pretty sure he still got paid as he wasn't suspended but put on some type of restricted list).

[squally1313]

the fact that rape laws are set up to be tilted against the guy in any given situation.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1ddf7RjFi1qc3759o1_250.gif

Yeah you're totally right, I didn't phrase that right, or at least that's far from the main issue. And I'll stop after this, as I'm guessing even this will get criticized, but if this case is with a girl he met at the bar, that means all that really needs to be proven is A. she was drinking (and therefore unable to give consent), and B. they had sex. While, again, the overwhelming priority is to ensure the well-being of the victim, I just always found it a little...tough that if they were both drinking (and both unable to give consent) it still falls out the way it does.

 

I think you are misinformed. That's not really "all it takes". I think that is the theoretical message you might want to get across to your son if you are trying to reinforce to the stupid little [expletive] how important it is to not rape, but in the real world it takes a whole hell of a lot more than just proving there was sex and she had a drink.

 

Yes, it's not that simple. While I still think it's fair (if not PC) to say that if it came down to a he said/she said, 'he' isn't going to like his chances, I understand that being the guy on that side of this argument isn't the best position to take, especially in a thread where you snipped off the rest of my post so it looks like this is all I care about.

 

If it was rape, I feel terrible for the girl and he should never step foot on the ice again.

[Wilson A2000]

Even if there's a settlement, Kane could miss serious time I'm assuming. What happened to Hardy.

Who is Hardy?

 

Greg Hardy

 

Oh, well what has happened in the NFL does not apply.

 

 

Bettman is not Goodell.

 

Dan Bernstein read the part of the NHL CBA that mentions off the field stuff like Kane might have been involved in. Bettman has Goodell-like power.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yes, it's not that simple. While I still think it's fair (if not PC) to say that if it came down to a he said/she said, 'he' isn't going to like his chances, I understand that being the guy on that side of this argument isn't the best position to take, especially in a thread where you snipped off the rest of my post so it looks like this is all I care about.

 

I snipped it for effect, not because I thought it was all you care about.

 

It was a very strange and completely inaccurate statement.

 

I think most guys live their swinging singles time with the thought in the back of their head that one word from her could ruin your life. But it's mostly an unfounded fear. and at the same time most girls live their lives with the knowledge that there are a bunch of rapists out there that never get caught or punished. The laws are not tilted in favor of women when it comes to the crime of rape.

[Exile on Waveland]

I'd be shocked if Kane suffers any real consequence from this. He's a millionaire pro athlete who apparently was careful to not allow incriminating evidence leave his house.

 

A rape kit is pretty incriminating

 

It would likely show, at most, that a sexual encounter occurred between the two. It's pretty rare that any actual physical harm/damage is shown.

[Guest]

I think my only issue with rape laws being unfair is the 18 year old kids who end up registered sex offenders for sleeping with their SO who are a few months below age of consent or something. or those cases where the victim lies about their age (and admits to having done so). there needs to be some sort of discretion or an age gap stipulation for those cases. pretty awful for someone to have their lives essentially ruined for having consensual sex with their slightly younger partner in a relationship that would be totally considered acceptable by just about anybody outside of what the letter of the law states (worded that weirdly...)

 

 

/tangent

[Exile on Waveland]

Yes, it's not that simple. While I still think it's fair (if not PC) to say that if it came down to a he said/she said, 'he' isn't going to like his chances, I understand that being the guy on that side of this argument isn't the best position to take, especially in a thread where you snipped off the rest of my post so it looks like this is all I care about.

 

I snipped it for effect, not because I thought it was all you care about.

 

It was a very strange and completely inaccurate statement.

 

I think most guys live their swinging singles time with the thought in the back of their head that one word from her could ruin your life. But it's mostly an unfounded fear. and at the same time most girls live their lives with the knowledge that there are a bunch of rapists out there that never get caught or punished. The laws are not tilted in favor of women when it comes to the crime of rape.

 

Right. "He said, she said" crimes are about the most difficult to prove for the State in criminal trials. Without looking at studies, anecdotally, there are a lot more guilty rapists that never get charged (even with an initial report being made) than innocent men being convicted of rape. Partially that's because of the inverse of what squally is talking about--where both parties are drunk, you're going to find many juries disinclined to convict.

Edited August 6, 2015 by Exile on Waveland

[Exile on Waveland]

I think my only issue with rape laws being unfair is the 18 year old kids who end up registered sex offenders for sleeping with their SO who are a few months below age of consent or something. or those cases where the victim lies about their age (and admits to having done so). there needs to be some sort of discretion or an age gap stipulation for those cases. pretty awful for someone to have their lives essentially ruined for having consensual sex with their slightly younger partner in a relationship that would be totally considered acceptable by just about anybody outside of what the letter of the law states (worded that weirdly...)

 

 

/tangent

 

Responding to tangent:

 

http://indianalawblog.com/archives/2015/08/ind_law_more_on_409.html

 

Which includes this gem, from a judge:

 

"That seems to be part of our culture now. Meet, have sex, hook up, sayonara. Totally inappropriate behavior. There is no excuse for this whatsoever."