Cubs Mets deal inevitable?

[Little Slide Rooter]

And now MLB.com's Cracker Jack team is getting in on this.

 

http://mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20150519&content_id=125219330&vkey=news_nym&c_id=nym

 

Proposal 1 is possible, though I don't know much about Matz.

 

Proposal 2 is iffy; I'd perhaps be more willing to entertain it with Castro if there were more indication that Baez or Mendy could take over SS.

 

Proposal 3 made me throw up in my mouth, and not just a little bit.

[Cubswin11]

Trades 2 and 3 are terrible. 2 especially

 

Edit: read trade 2 as starlin and Russell, not 1. 3 is the worst

Edited May 24, 2015 by Cubswin11

[nolanwood]

And now MLB.com's Cracker Jack team is getting in on this.

 

http://mlb.com/r/article?ymd=20150519&content_id=125219330&vkey=news_nym&c_id=nym

 

Proposal 1 is possible, though I don't know much about Matz.

 

Proposal 2 is iffy; I'd perhaps be more willing to entertain it with Castro if there were more indication that Baez or Mendy could take over SS.

 

Proposal 3 made me throw up in my mouth, and not just a little bit.

 

Proposal 3 is absurd. There is no logjam that necessitates trading a franchise player. Furthermore, if the Cubs wanted a stud pitcher they would have taken a chance on one instead of drafting Bryant. Impact Bat >>>>>>>>>>>>Ace pitcher.

[davell]

The 3rd one is absurd. The 1st is selling low on Javy or at least not trading him for immediate help. The 2nd one is contingent upon us believing in Javy enough to trade Starlin(Russell isn't moving)

 

I wouldn't do any of them during the season. Maybe entertain Starlin for Syndergaard and Montero in the offseason, if Javy can be trusted at that point much moreso than he can now.

[sneakypower]

i wouldn't even do Baez for Matz

[davell]

Javy for Syndergaard is interesting, but seems more like an offseason deal to me. I figure if Javy gets dealt in-season, it'll be for more of a sure thing to help us this season than a rookie pitcher.

[TruffleShuffle]

Mets would laugh and hang up if the Cubs offered Baez for Syndergaard.

[Guest]

Their loss.

[Tryptamine]

Their loss.

 

Pretty much. Baez is making some really nice strides in AAA right now.

 

2014AAA:

7.8BB%,30.0K%,.833OPS,62.9% contact rate

 

2015AAA:

9.1BB%,24.2K%,.944OPS,68.9% contact rate

 

If he can get that contact rate up to the 72% range, he's looking pretty damn good going forward.

[rawaction]

I really like Syndergaard. They wouldn't take Baez for him and the Cubs wouldn't give Castro for him. But I'd pretty much trade any 2 non Schwarber prospects for Noah.

[d_money]

How far off is Torres? The Mets are looking for immediate bats but if Torres is pushing, it may make the Cubs FO willing to deal knowing he's in the wings.

[Guest]

A slightly aggressive timeline for Torres would probably be 2018, he's not close enough that his presence has an impact on MLB depth.

[doschi]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

[jersey cubs fan]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

For one, other teams will also be able to sign those guys and some of them have budgets that dwarf the cubs. Also, you need at least 5 starting pitchers and the more good ones you have, the better.

[Tyrant]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

 

because "potentially"

[JennieGarthAlgar]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

 

Because perhaps our front office could maximize value of that "proven talent", replace his spot on the field with an emerging talent (and replace his spot on the field with a "potential" talent) while getting back a SP that is better than Wada/Wood/EJackson/whomever and then not have to feel cornered into giving out another Lester-like deal. Use that money towards LF or CF and bench/bullpen.

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

 

Because perhaps our front office could maximize value of that "proven talent", replace his spot on the field with an emerging talent (and replace his spot on the field with a "potential" talent) while getting back a SP that is better than Wada/Wood/EJackson/whomever and then not have to feel cornered into giving out another Lester-like deal. Use that money towards LF or CF and bench/bullpen.

 

Exactly. You kind of want some pitchers who are good and aren't being paid 20 plus million over multiple years. There are only so many of those guys that any payroll is going to be able to support.

[Guest]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

 

Because perhaps our front office could maximize value of that "proven talent", replace his spot on the field with an emerging talent (and replace his spot on the field with a "potential" talent) while getting back a SP that is better than Wada/Wood/EJackson/whomever and then not have to feel cornered into giving out another Lester-like deal. Use that money towards LF or CF and bench/bullpen.

 

Exactly. You kind of want some pitchers who are good and aren't being paid 20 plus million over multiple years. There are only so many of those guys that any payroll is going to be able to support.

We have Hammel and Arrieta already who fit that description

[Bryants Disco Ball]

Why in Jebus's name are we talking about trading proven talent and/or potential everyday players for pitching, when the 2016 FA market is going to be chock-full of proven starters whom we could potentially sign without giving up any homegrown talent?

 

This boggles my mind.

 

Because perhaps our front office could maximize value of that "proven talent", replace his spot on the field with an emerging talent (and replace his spot on the field with a "potential" talent) while getting back a SP that is better than Wada/Wood/EJackson/whomever and then not have to feel cornered into giving out another Lester-like deal. Use that money towards LF or CF and bench/bullpen.

 

Exactly. You kind of want some pitchers who are good and aren't being paid 20 plus million over multiple years. There are only so many of those guys that any payroll is going to be able to support.

We have Hammel and Arrieta already who fit that description

 

True. I guess I was thinking a young guy who has six years of control with the upside to be a No. 2. Granted, no lock that they'd get that kind of guy or that'd he'd develop into that.