2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Guest]

On one hand, I think DL is much more important and can make a bad secondary look good.

 

On the other, I miss having an impact safety and it might be worth it when you can have one of those.

[Banedon]

@JasonPhilCole

 

#NFL exec source says John Fox is getting the #Bears job.

[Guest]

Could be worse

 

Excited/interested to see who the coordinators will be

[Banedon]

Jason Cole is gonna be on The Score at 10:00.

[JonJayCutler]

Nervous for coordinators...

 

On one hand we could get Gase/Schwartz.

 

On the other we could get Mini-Shanahan/Dennis Allen. :banghead:

[UMFan83]

Could be worse

 

Now that's an inspiring hire!

 

You're right though, it's not terrible I don't think. I think he has a high floor in terms of his likely performance with the Bears. Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

Hiring Fox to me makes me feel like the Bears are going to take another run at it next year with a veteran heavy roster. I could be wrong....and that's not a bad thing overall.

[Banedon]

Nervous for coordinators...

 

On one hand we could get Gase/Schwartz.

 

On the other we could get Mini-Shanahan/Dennis Allen. :banghead:

 

Fangio would be another DC possibility.

[minnesotacubsfan]

I wonder how this fares for Cutler

[Guest]

Could be worse

 

Now that's an inspiring hire!

 

You're right though, it's not terrible I don't think. I think he has a high floor in terms of his likely performance with the Bears. Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

Hiring Fox to me makes me feel like the Bears are going to take another run at it next year with a veteran heavy roster. I could be wrong....and that's not a bad thing overall.

 

Truth is nothing out there is inspiring

[Banedon]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

[Guest]

Nervous for coordinators...

 

On one hand we could get Gase/Schwartz.

 

On the other we could get Mini-Shanahan/Dennis Allen. :banghead:

 

don't see what makes Gase great and Shanahan terrible, which is what you seem to be implying.

[mul21]

I wonder how this fares for Cutler

 

Just based on Fox's 2-14 season where he was in QB hell, I'd think he'd be in favor of keeping a guy who he knows is at least a legitimate NFL QB.

[Guest]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

[Banedon]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

 

That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off.

[Guest]

for anyone who was still holding out hope for this

 

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 17s17 seconds ago

Cardinals scheduled to meet next week with former Steelers DC Dick LeBeau about senior coaching position on their staff, per source.

[Guest]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

 

That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off.

 

Not really. Especially not the two different conferences part. That is a completely meaningless anecdote and it's being thrown around like some special accomplishment because only 2-3 other guys have happened to do that.

Edited January 15, 2015 by David

[UMFan83]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Trust me I'm not like virus who says he doesn't think he can win the 'big game'. I don't have any doubts on that. I'm just not sure how far he can take this roster over the next 2-3 years, but I believe at worst he will make us respectable.

[Banedon]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

 

That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off.

 

Not really. Especially not the two different conferences part. That is a completely meaningless anecdote.

 

Carolina's Super Bowl run was an 11-5 wild card team, which meant they won three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. After a down year, they went 11-5 again, making it to the NFC Championship game.

 

Both of those runs were with Jake Delhomme as QB.

[Guest]

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

 

That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off.

 

Not really. Especially not the two different conferences part. That is a completely meaningless anecdote.

 

Carolina's Super Bowl run was an 11-5 wild card team, which meant they won three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. After a down year, they went 11-5 again, making it to the NFC Championship game.

 

Both of those runs were with Jake Delhomme as QB.

 

Which, while if I wanted to I could poo-poo that as crapshooty playoff (the regular seasons were great, but that's not what we're talking about) randomness, is great, but has nothing to do with the "two different conferences" silliness that I was responding to.

[Banedon]

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

 

That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off.

 

Not really. Especially not the two different conferences part. That is a completely meaningless anecdote.

 

Carolina's Super Bowl run was an 11-5 wild card team, which meant they won three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. After a down year, they went 11-5 again, making it to the NFC Championship game.

 

Both of those runs were with Jake Delhomme as QB.

 

Which, while if I wanted to I could poo-poo that as crapshooty playoff (the regular seasons were great, but that's not what we're talking about) randomness, is great, but has nothing to do with the "two different conferences" silliness that I was responding to.

 

Fine, whatever. You made other points about Manning and playoffs randomness...which maybe would work for one flukey run, but for two...not as much. Like I said, you're making a lot of effort to write off his accomplishments because you're not blown away by him...which is fine, I'm not saying you have to love him...but he's got an extremely solid resume.

[minnesotacubsfan]

Not sure how high his ceiling goes though.

 

He's taken two teams from two different conferences to the Super Bowl.

 

Why is this even a thing? It's just a goofy anomaly that he happened to do it in two conferences, not an actual special accomplishment (beyond taking 2 teams to the SB - which is debatable as to how much of it is an accomplishment and how much is blind playoff luck - or riding Peyton's coattails).

 

That takes a lot of effort to write all of that off.

 

Not really. Especially not the two different conferences part. That is a completely meaningless anecdote.

 

Carolina's Super Bowl run was an 11-5 wild card team, which meant they won three playoff games to get to the Super Bowl. After a down year, they went 11-5 again, making it to the NFC Championship game.

 

Both of those runs were with Jake Delhomme as QB.

 

And this is what makes me hope for a Tom Coughlin redux as long as the redux hasn't already happened and failed in Denver

[Guest]

Also, despite his later terribleness, Jake Delhomme was very solid for a few years. Not sure why his name is being tossed around like he's a Trent Dilfer type anchor to success or something. Not sure how much credit a defensive minded HC gets for that. Some in that the conservative run-first approach might've helped his numbers, maybe, sure.

[Banedon]

Also, despite his later terribleness, Jake Delhomme was very solid for a few years. Not sure why his name is being tossed around like he's a Trent Dilfer type anchor to success or something. Not sure how much credit a defensive minded HC gets for that. Some in that the conservative run-first approach might've helped his numbers, maybe, sure.

 

Now you're gonna talk up Jake Delhomme? The point is that Fox had success with a sub-elite QB. And he's now going to coach a team with QB concerns.

[Guest]

Fine, whatever. You made other points about Manning and playoffs randomness...which maybe would work for one flukey run, but for two...not as much. Like I said, you're making a lot of effort to write off his accomplishments because you're not blown away by him...which is fine, I'm not saying you have to love him...but he's got an extremely solid resume.

 

wild card going to the superbowl is like the definition of playoff randomness (really, it's hard to say that ANY team going to the superbowl isn't - but i digress)

 

the other team was amazing because it had peyton manning on it

 

honestly, i don't care all that much about playoff resumes unless they have some insanely consistent success in them (and still i'd think that would have more to do with consistently making them than anything else - which is what i do care about, the regular season)

 

i mean he made two superbowls in 13 years, which, is cool, whatever...i'm not sure it says a lot about him as a coach. definitely not more than his (very solid) regular season resume says.

 

i'm not making an effort to write off anything because i don't like him or love him. i'm writing off playoff accomplishments (especially goofy ones like "in two separate conferences") because i don't think they mean that much in most cases.

[Guest]

Also, despite his later terribleness, Jake Delhomme was very solid for a few years. Not sure why his name is being tossed around like he's a Trent Dilfer type anchor to success or something. Not sure how much credit a defensive minded HC gets for that. Some in that the conservative run-first approach might've helped his numbers, maybe, sure.

 

Now you're gonna talk up Jake Delhomme? The point is that Fox had success with a sub-elite QB. And he's now going to coach a team with QB concerns.

 

If saying he wasn't some god awful anchor that had to be overcome for those 2-3 years is talking him up, I guess I'm talking him up.