2015 Bears Offseason (Foxy new Head Coach page 104)

[Guest]

Shannahan did finally get some success with Wash though and then ran out of town basically. Caldwell just oversaw the collapse of Indy without Manning and then got a great PO run out of Flacco.

[rawaction]

Well you're at least making rationale arguments why you don't like Shanny as a candidate now.

 

Agreed with goony though, 2-3 isn't the "best case"

 

Maybe it isn't "best case", but it's a pretty likely scenario. But 2018 Shanahan will be 66 years old. He'd be 4 years older than every coach in the league now other than Coughlin who is 67. Coaches don't typically coach at that age.

Carroll

 

Forgot the word "now". Carroll is the same age as Shanny now (as is Belichick). He's actually a month younger

 

Shanahan is younger than both of them. We keep repeating this fact.

 

All born in 1952. Belichick in April. Shanahan in Aug. Carroll in September.

 

Edit. I guess Carroll was born in 51 per Wikipedia. Still "younger" isn't a big deal when u are talking about 4 months.

[RynoRules]

Shanahan's skin tone makes up for his vintage.

[rawaction]

Either way, unless you're assuming that two very entrenched and successful coaches will be gone, then their ages are relevant (as in, there will still be a few coaches in the league of around Shanny's age).

 

Unless he loses his job soon, Caldwell will also join the 60-plus year old coaches. He is 2.5 years younger than Shanahan and was hired to try and get the most out of a veteran QB with a huge contract, no playoff wins and a sub sub .500 record.

 

 

I'd like to find the guy who will be here for the next 10 years because that probably means he will be pretty good. But being head coach for 10 years doesn't mean you've achieved greatness (see Smith, Lovie or Lewis, Marvin). Relative youth doesn't mean much either. The history of this league is littered with 49 year old failed head coaches.

 

I want the guy who can do the best job the next few years, and I don't see anybody out there who is a slam dunk great candidate.

 

Kubiak would be my preference. Shanahan would be perfectly acceptable.

 

Honestly I know where u are coming from. But Caldwell is younger and recently had success unlike Shanahan.

 

Shanahan just had success, what, 2 years ago?

 

Otherwise known as once since 2006.

[jersey cubs fan]

Honestly I know where u are coming from. But Caldwell is younger and recently had success unlike Shanahan.

 

The 2-win seasons in 2011? Shanahan won 10 the following season.

 

Caldwell is 2.5 years younger than Shanahan currently. Shanahan is 3 years younger than Coughlin when he last won a Super Bowl.

[jersey cubs fan]

Pete Carroll was hired at 59, 12 years removed from his last winning season in the NFL.

 

 

 

The obsession with age does not make sense.

[rawaction]

Pete Carroll was hired at 59, 12 years removed from his last winning season in the NFL.

 

 

 

The obsession with age does not make sense.

 

But not at 63 (when the season starts), with 1 winning season in 8 years. Convenient to leave out his college coaching success.

 

Hey Chip Kelly never had a winning NFL season before getting the Eagles job.

[UMFan83]

Pete Carroll was hired at 59, 12 years removed from his last winning season in the NFL.

 

 

 

The obsession with age does not make sense.

 

Bill Simmons once tried to make a case that successful coaches go to crap after they hit I think 63 years old. It was a horrible premises, although the numbers he used seemed to sort of back it up. His buddy Bill Belichick is turning 63 next year so I can't wait to see him backtrack on that theory.

 

The argument I've heard against hiring an older coach is that if you bring them in they want to win immediately, meaning more emphasis on veteran FAs, etc. I find that theory stupid too because unless you are trading draft picks for these veterans you can still build through the draft while trying to field a win now team.

[Guest]

@Edwerderespn Despite success w/Jay Cutler & Brandon Marshall, I'm told #Bears do not have Shanahan on list of HC prospects

[jersey cubs fan]

Pete Carroll was hired at 59, 12 years removed from his last winning season in the NFL.

 

 

 

The obsession with age does not make sense.

 

But not at 63 (when the season starts), with 1 winning season in 8 years. Convenient to leave out his college coaching success.

 

Hey Chip Kelly never had a winning NFL season before getting the Eagles job.

 

It's not a convenience thing, but you seem hung up on the idea that Shanahan has been passed by the NFL game, with one year off. Pete Carroll wasn't even involved in it for over a decade. College and NFL are quite different.

 

Your obsession with age and how this relates to Cutler has no validity.

 

I can understand the concern with a lack of recent major success, but I hardly think the game has passed him by and think you are unduly influenced by all the obsessive Steelers fans that take pride in only having 3 coaches in 95 years.

 

This hiring isn't about 10 years from now, 8 years from now or even 6. This hiring is about the next 2-4 years. If that person wins, he can and will stay beyond that point, if he loses, he better be gone.

 

Mike Shanahan isn't Dale Sveum.

 

He has the best resume of the current coaches on the market and drawing interest. He may or may not be the best candidate for the job, but your reasoning for claiming he should not be one makes absolutely no sense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Adam Schefter retweeted

Michael C. Wright ‏@mikecwright 5m5 minutes ago

. @ESPNChiBears & I reporting Tim Jennings arrested on speeding, DUI, reckless driving charges in Gwinnett County, Ga. $2,705 in total bonds

[RynoRules]

Looks like we are going to need to a starting corner and a nickel.

[Guest]

Because of this?

[RynoRules]

I was half-kidding. We prob should be looking to replace Jennings either way.

[jersey cubs fan]

unless he has multiple DUI infractions, I don't think this leads to much of anything

[Guest]

It's pretty ugly to cut Jennings this year. Next year it becomes palatable- plus he'll be another year older. So they do need to continue stocking the DB with picks where possible, but I'm not sure how much effect this arrest has on the existing outlook.

[RynoRules]

Looking more at the No. 7 pick...I'd be annoyed if we took Collins. He feels like a reach that early, as would almost any safety. I want something closer to a guarantee, and for me (assuming Gregory is gone, which is likely) that's Ray or Scherff. Reasons for Ray are obvious. As for Scherff, getting a bookend tackle who can play for us for ten years could have a very positive domino effect on the offense.

[Guest]

Yea Collins is probably the only frequently mocked top15 guy that I just can't see at 7 at all.

[rawaction]

Problem is Scherff is destined to be an NFL guard. I'd be fine with pass rusher (like Ray, Gregory and Fowler). But I may be leaning towards Ronnie Stanley from ND at 7. Tremendous upside.

 

Would help if he declared in the next few days.

[davell]

Pretty hardcore. He was arrested before NOON today, I figured it was last night when he got pulled.

[gscool89]

Just cut Jennings right now

[minnesotacubsfan]

Just cut Jennings right now

 

Oh look that man got a paper cut CUT OFF HIS HANDS

[Wilson A2000]

99 MPH in a 65 while driving drunk at 11:45 AM. Real smart.

[rawaction]

99 MPH in a 65 while driving drunk at 11:45 AM. Real smart.

 

Is that bad?

[ConstableRabbit]

He was probably watching some game tape.