Russell Martin

[Elrhino]

The pursuit of Martin had me reading up on pitch framing to the point that I'm pretty convinced that Castillo's is a major problem for us.

 

Please get Montero, if possible

 

 

Seriously, does it not bother people that really, really smart and data driven front offices seem to value it a lot?

we've still got this guy

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/SamardzijaBall.gif.opt_.gif

 

 

http://cdn.fangraphs.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/samardzijaball.png

 

Strikes just clog up the count

-- Dusty

[Neuby]

I'D rather just stick with Castillo. Trading prospects and paying Montero 10M isn't much of an upgrade.

[Guest]

I'D rather just stick with Castillo. Trading prospects and paying Montero 10M isn't much of an upgrade.

 

http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

[Guest]

I'm not sold on Montero... think we can get someone cheaper who knows the pitch framing voodoo magic

 

You probably can(I still like JR Murphy if the Yankees would deal him), but Montero fits especially well because 1) his contract lowers the cost to acquire him, which is more palatable when the Cubs have money to spend and 2) when combined with Castillo in a semi-platoon you can get some pretty terrific offensive production from the position.

[abuck1220]

I'D rather just stick with Castillo. Trading prospects and paying Montero 10M isn't much of an upgrade.

 

http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

 

yeah if you buy all that,sure.

[Guest]

maybe we can trade singley mcgrindy who we just got to that dbacks FO for montero

[Guest]

I'D rather just stick with Castillo. Trading prospects and paying Montero 10M isn't much of an upgrade.

 

http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

 

yeah if you buy all that,sure.

 

or if you just buy that montero is really, really good at it and castillo is really, really bad

[abuck1220]

I'D rather just stick with Castillo. Trading prospects and paying Montero 10M isn't much of an upgrade.

 

http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

 

yeah if you buy all that,sure.

 

or if you just buy that montero is really, really good at it and castillo is really, really bad

 

you can believe those two things and still not think its worth __ runs/wins/$.

[Guest]

I'D rather just stick with Castillo. Trading prospects and paying Montero 10M isn't much of an upgrade.

 

http://www.statcorner.com/CatcherReport.php

 

yeah if you buy all that,sure.

 

or if you just buy that montero is really, really good at it and castillo is really, really bad

 

you can believe those two things and still not think its worth __ runs/wins/$.

 

you can but i think that's silly

[abuck1220]

oh well if you think it's silly then nevermind.

[Guest]

oh well if you think it's silly then nevermind.

 

at this point, if you don't think that between those two there is a substantial gap over the course of a season, a gap that matters, then I think you're basically shoving your fingers in your ears and yelling stuff.

 

really smart people in baseball believe in it.

 

you can argue all day about the degree to which it's significant, but if you think it's insignificant (which, in suggesting that the gap between the extremes of really good and really bad isn't worth much, pretty much implies that you do), i mean...

[Guest]

With Martin gone, it's not necessarily Castillo v. X, it's Castillo v. Castillo + X, especially if X is left handed like Montero(or Avila or Grandal).

[Guest]

Ohh yes, I'd like Grandal more than Montero.

[Exile on Waveland]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

[Guest]

With Martin gone, it's not necessarily Castillo v. X, it's Castillo v. Castillo + X, especially if X is left handed like Montero(or Avila or Grandal).

I'm stuck on an airplane right now, but didn't I post stats the other day that show montero not being a huge upgrade offensively, even versus righties? At least using his last two years worth of results I believe that to be true.

[Guest]

With Martin gone, it's not necessarily Castillo v. X, it's Castillo v. Castillo + X, especially if X is left handed like Montero(or Avila or Grandal).

I'm stuck on an airplane right now, but didn't I post stats the other day that show montero not being a huge upgrade offensively, even versus righties? At least using his last two years worth of results I believe that to be true.

[Guest]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

I have no problem deferring to the likes of the FO's who value this. Especially when they have much better and much more information available to them than we do.

[jersey cubs fan]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

I have no problem deferring to the likes of the FO's who value this. Especially when they have much better and much more information available to them than we do.

 

Why did Theo and Jed stick with Castillo for three years?

[Elrhino]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

At what point do you just embrace becoming the Dusty or Harold Reynolds of your era?

[Guest]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

I have no problem deferring to the likes of the FO's who value this. Especially when they have much better and much more information available to them than we do.

 

Why did Theo and Jed stick with Castillo for three years?

 

Weren't you of the opinion that they were intentionally losing?

 

Even if they were trying to have a puncher's chance, it was worth seeing if he could get any good and become a long term cheap piece.

[Cubswin11]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

I have no problem deferring to the likes of the FO's who value this. Especially when they have much better and much more information available to them than we do.

 

Why did Theo and Jed stick with Castillo for three years?

All about acquiring specs, bro

[Exile on Waveland]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

At what point do you just embrace becoming the Dusty or Harold Reynolds of your era?

 

Trying to read the tea leaves here, but failing.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

All about acquiring specs, bro

 

Don't call them that, even ironically.

[Guest]

With Martin gone, it's not necessarily Castillo v. X, it's Castillo v. Castillo + X, especially if X is left handed like Montero(or Avila or Grandal).

I'm stuck on an airplane right now, but didn't I post stats the other day that show montero not being a huge upgrade offensively, even versus righties? At least using his last two years worth of results I believe that to be true.

 

Yes, if you look at single years for either Castillo or Montero you can get them not far apart against RHP. Validity of that argument aside, it misses the point a bit, because you aren't talking about a strict platoon. If anything it's a good thing because Castillo would still get PAs against RHP and him being acceptable against them is a good thing. We're not talking about emulating the 2014 A's at the position.

[jersey cubs fan]

really smart people in baseball believe in it..

 

Well, case closed then.

 

I have no problem deferring to the likes of the FO's who value this. Especially when they have much better and much more information available to them than we do.

 

Why did Theo and Jed stick with Castillo for three years?

 

Weren't you of the opinion that they were intentionally losing?

 

Even if they were trying to have a puncher's chance, it was worth seeing if he could get any good and become a long term cheap piece.

 

Yes I was. But I was also of the belief that they were trying to flip undervalued pitchers. It seems to be foolish to try and turnaround a pitcher's front page stats by having him throw to a catcher that will make his job more difficult.