Week 10: Bears (3-5) @ Packers (5-3) 7:30PM NBC/780

[WrigleyField 22]

Mid round speed WR, FA OG/OT, resign DLP, two starting FA DBs (pretty good class), mid tier June 1 LB and best two defensive players in round one and two. If one of those two isn't a pass rusher that may be another June 1 need.

 

New coaching staff.

 

On the player front that's no more active than we've had to be the past several years.

 

 

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[Banedon]

Pat Mannelly saying that Trestman would often call a practice good when Pat knew it wasn't a good practice.

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't see the need for two new OL.

 

I sure do. Long is the only longterm option in place and probably the only guy on the line now that I'd like to see on the line in 2016. Bushrod helped stabilize things but I think he was vastly overpaid and probably only a short-term guy. They need at least one tackle and one interior linemen. Outside of Long everybody is either bad, old or bad and old.

Just for 2015 Bushrod, Slauson, DLP, and Long is a solid 4 IMO. Of course they need to continue to develop OL, but we have at least a year with that group.

 

 

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[Guest]

What's worse, this or 2007?

 

This is deep, deep rock bottom.

 

It's the NFL, so you can always get a lucky year in no matter who you send out there next year or whenever. But this organization looks so deeply screwed for a number of years.

 

I don't trust the ownership to hire a new GM/whatever, I don't trust Emery to hire a new coach, I don't trust the coach to hire new coordinators.

 

Cutler's arm has taken a step back this year. My fear is that the hits over the years have piled up and robbed him of his ability to execute his mechanics properly. And Cutler without an amazeballs arm is how this offense repeatedly fails to score points when the game is in doubt.

 

The rest of the roster is getting exposed as either old or bad or both. Marshall had clearly lost a step this year even before the latest injury. Jeffery is a good No. 2 receiver but probably overrated due to some spectacular catches. Forte is going to hit a wall soon and doesn't really do anything that defenses need to worry about. And the best long-term asset on the defense is a pretty good CB.

 

If you wanted to be the best team in the division next year, the list of things you need is huge:

 

A new coaching staff

A deep threat WR

Probably two OL

A legit second RB

An impact defensive lineman and preferably two

Two starting linebackers (maybe three)

Two safeties

A CB

An entire special teams unit.

 

And even that might not be enough.

 

 

tl;dr: It could take years to untangle this mess and I don't trust anybody making any of the decisions.

 

I don't think everything you listed is an issue but the good thing is, you don't need to replace every weakness to become a playoff contender or else only two or three teams would make the playoffs every year. You need to limit your weak points and have a coaching staff that plays to its strengths (obviously not this staff).

[jersey cubs fan]

Mid round speed WR, FA OG/OT, resign DLP, two starting FA DBs (pretty good class), mid tier June 1 LB and best two defensive players in round one and two. If one of those two isn't a pass rusher that may be another June 1 need.

 

New coaching staff.

 

On the player front that's no more active than we've had to be the past several years.

 

That may be what they are stuck doing, but think about what you are advocating with those first two picks. Two more picks allotted to the defense after that side got the top three this year and two of the top three the year before. The Bears have used one top 3 round draft pick on an offensive skill position player in the past 5 drafts and that is going to come back and bite them eventually. They have a declining Marshall, a nice but limited Jeffery, a consistent but unspectacular Forte, garbage at tight end and a declining Cutler. There is zero explosiveness on the offensive side of the ball. No big threats. The offense is basically limited to bullying their way down the field with big receivers and no hope of the homerun. That takes time and allows a defense to adjust and take chances that will not be exploited, and that leads to turnovers.

[Brian707]

What's worse, this or 2007?

 

 

This season.

 

2014 to me reminds me of the 1989 season

[jersey cubs fan]

Pat Mannelly saying that Trestman would often call a practice good when Pat knew it wasn't a good practice.

That seems obvious from Mr. Positivity.

[Guest]

What's worse, this or 2007?

 

 

This season.

 

2014 to me reminds me of the 1989 season

 

I have no idea what this reference means, old man.

[jersey cubs fan]

I don't see the need for two new OL.

 

I sure do. Long is the only longterm option in place and probably the only guy on the line now that I'd like to see on the line in 2016. Bushrod helped stabilize things but I think he was vastly overpaid and probably only a short-term guy. They need at least one tackle and one interior linemen. Outside of Long everybody is either bad, old or bad and old.

Just for 2015 Bushrod, Slauson, DLP, and Long is a solid 4 IMO. Of course they need to continue to develop OL, but we have at least a year with that group.

 

I would say at most, not at least. And that group is not that solid. It is old and probably average at their best if you supplement with another tackle that isn't a weakness.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I can't wait to see what the Lions do to this team.

[Brian707]

What's worse, this or 2007?

 

 

This season.

 

2014 to me reminds me of the 1989 season

 

I have no idea what this reference means, old man.

 

That team quit like this one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

That may be what they are stuck doing, but think about what you are advocating with those first two picks. Two more picks allotted to the defense after that side got the top three this year and two of the top three the year before. The Bears have used one top 3 round draft pick on an offensive skill position player in the past 5 drafts and that is going to come back and bite them eventually. They have a declining Marshall, a nice but limited Jeffery, a consistent but unspectacular Forte, garbage at tight end and a declining Cutler. There is zero explosiveness on the offensive side of the ball. No big threats. The offense is basically limited to bullying their way down the field with big receivers and no hope of the homerun. That takes time and allows a defense to adjust and take chances that will not be exploited, and that leads to turnovers.

 

All of this.

 

This team is built entirely around its skill-position stars, and they aren't *that* good and seem to be declining.

[UK1679666180]

At least Lovie would be honest and discipline them in private. The inmates are running the prison.

 

Fire Tucker today and go from there.

[jersey cubs fan]

That may be what they are stuck doing, but think about what you are advocating with those first two picks. Two more picks allotted to the defense after that side got the top three this year and two of the top three the year before. The Bears have used one top 3 round draft pick on an offensive skill position player in the past 5 drafts and that is going to come back and bite them eventually. They have a declining Marshall, a nice but limited Jeffery, a consistent but unspectacular Forte, garbage at tight end and a declining Cutler. There is zero explosiveness on the offensive side of the ball. No big threats. The offense is basically limited to bullying their way down the field with big receivers and no hope of the homerun. That takes time and allows a defense to adjust and take chances that will not be exploited, and that leads to turnovers.

 

All of this.

 

This team is built entirely around its skill-position stars, and they aren't *that* good and seem to be declining.

 

This goes back to the idea of what type of team you want to be.

 

I thought this team was going to depend on its offense while trying to get by on defense. Instead they have thrown a ton of resources at the defense, gotten zero return on that investment, and failed to supplement the offense.

 

If you want to be a dominant offense, you need to emphasize that side of the ball. They should have been prepared to take a WR with one of their two first round picks this year and should always be willing to take an offensive lineman in the first half of the draft. They should be loading up with depth on defense and try to be good enough to not give up 50 points. But they need to give this offense more weapons, more protection and probably within a year or two, a new QB.

 

I would much rather see the 1st and 2nd be impact offensive players and then 3-7 be more defensive depth than the other way around.

[UMFan83]

What's worse, this or 2007?

 

definitely this seeing as a large majority of our core is over 30, and the team is certain to be broken up over the next couple of offseasons. In 2007 we had injuries that made our defense suck and our offense was pretty below average, but we still had a very good defense with its skill players in their primes, and were playing in a league where having an above average D and a halfway decent offense with a good running game was still good enough to be a contender.

 

This was a veteran team put together to win this year or next year or be broken apart and stripped down. That's not to say we don't have young talent on this team, because we do, but its not like 2007 (at least I dont think so at this point) where we had Urlacher, Briggs, Tillman, Tommie Harris, Mike Brown, Alex Brown, Idonije, Ogunleye as a core. Obviously some didn't work out, some got old quicker, but I'm trying to look at it from how I felt in 2007.

[WrigleyField 22]

Mid round speed WR, FA OG/OT, resign DLP, two starting FA DBs (pretty good class), mid tier June 1 LB and best two defensive players in round one and two. If one of those two isn't a pass rusher that may be another June 1 need.

 

New coaching staff.

 

On the player front that's no more active than we've had to be the past several years.

 

That may be what they are stuck doing, but think about what you are advocating with those first two picks. Two more picks allotted to the defense after that side got the top three this year and two of the top three the year before. The Bears have used one top 3 round draft pick on an offensive skill position player in the past 5 drafts and that is going to come back and bite them eventually. They have a declining Marshall, a nice but limited Jeffery, a consistent but unspectacular Forte, garbage at tight end and a declining Cutler. There is zero explosiveness on the offensive side of the ball. No big threats. The offense is basically limited to bullying their way down the field with big receivers and no hope of the homerun. That takes time and allows a defense to adjust and take chances that will not be exploited, and that leads to turnovers.

Yea it's a concern. As of about a week ago I wanted a RT and BDPA in rd one and two. So I could still go that route. Depending on what a FA OL looks like it could be just as good as a pick.

 

I think it's possible to get two years out of any three of Bushrod, Slauson, and DLP. Getting all three to produce for two years is unlikely but also is needing all three or even two spots in 2016.

 

I have no idea what they have in Leno, but hopefully they get another mid round development type this draft. Even if say Bushrod is gone from 2016 they can still be in a position to grow from within on the OL. It's an uphill battle but not unlike what most teams face. It's a constant race against attrition. I do think we're about 2 years away from being in the position of sweet Comp picks and resigning our own guys instead of looking in FA, but there's no "unwinding" as Kyle implies. Just more adding.

 

 

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[UMFan83]

I was just looking at the 2015 schedule to see if we might catch a break and have a fluke year to contend, and realized that we have to play the NFC and AFC Wests, possibly the 2 best divisions in football. Granted, looking at next years schedule during week 10 of the previous season, its impossible to determine just how easy or hard the schedule will be but way in advance it looks like it will be very difficult, with the exception of playing the last place teams in the south (TB) and east (Washington)

[Sosa21MVP]

I don't see the need for two new OL.

 

I sure do. Long is the only longterm option in place and probably the only guy on the line now that I'd like to see on the line in 2016. Bushrod helped stabilize things but I think he was vastly overpaid and probably only a short-term guy. They need at least one tackle and one interior linemen. Outside of Long everybody is either bad, old or bad and old.

 

I agree. The OL as a unit has been noticeably worse, at least from what I've seen.

[Banedon]

“There was confusion all night,” Jennings said. “We blew some coverages on the back end, starting with myself. There were some miscommunications on the back end. At the end of the day, we need to execute the game plan.”

[WrigleyField 22]

I don't see the need for two new OL.

 

I sure do. Long is the only longterm option in place and probably the only guy on the line now that I'd like to see on the line in 2016. Bushrod helped stabilize things but I think he was vastly overpaid and probably only a short-term guy. They need at least one tackle and one interior linemen. Outside of Long everybody is either bad, old or bad and old.

 

I agree. The OL as a unit has been noticeably worse, at least from what I've seen.

It obviously hasn't been deep enough with Ola not a sufficient 6th guy (although at least on the interior DLP is so that's frustrating). And most of the starting 5 weakness is from one spot. Bushrod, Long, Slausson, and even Garza have played well enough but an OL is unfortunately only as good as their weakest guy and I guess they just went away from protecting Mills as much as they did last year. And I wish they would have stuck with him on the inside because as a interior mauler he could maybe salvageable.

 

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[d_money]

Yeah, the anger stopped for me after the Miami game.

 

I for one can enjoy meaningless Bears football, especially Thanksgiving Day, that'll be neat.

 

Marquess Wilson is the Javy equivalent for the rest of the season. Really want to see this kid play.

So, Wilson is gonna be a swing-and-miss?

[UMFan83]

“You could tell that they kind of laid down a little bit,” said Packers wide receiver Randall Cobb, according to media coming out of the Green Bay locker room.

 

Defensive end Datone Jones, who isn’t particularly accomplished, went after Cutler in remarks to Tyler Dunne of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel.

 

“We believe in Aaron (Rodgers),” Jones told Dunne. “That’s what separates us from the Bears. I feel like the Bears really don’t believe in Cutler.”

[Guest]

@Ky1eLong: Hard to eat this AM

[Guest]

I know there really aren't many replacement options midseason, but it's going to be hard to stomach watching this team the rest of the year with guys who should not have jobs as of this morning. The team appears to have quit on this coaching staff. Nothing, and I do mean nothing, was a positive in this game, and they had 2 weeks to prepare for it.

 

I can't decide whether it's better to show the players you are serious about improving this team by removing the current personnel for any warm body that's available or just let the current staff keep attempting to push their ineffective game plan until the offseason, but I'm really sad that a team with this kind of talent is playing like this.

[Careless]

Why would anyone be mad at Jim Miller for pointing out how much parts of the Bears sucked this game? Truth is not a defense?