Friedman to the Dodgers

[UK1679666180]

I hate the state of Florida. Should've moved them years ago, the stadium debacle and guaranteed lack of resources was probably the final straw.

 

I'd definitely take Freidman over Theo.

[Radar3454]

Only Freidman would be better than Theo IMO

[davell]

Two things here can directly affect us that aren't really related to the Dodgers immediate on field product:

 

1) I could see Friedman targeting McLeod to be his GM. I know he turned down SD, his hometown team, but could he actually turn down the Dodgers?

 

2) Friedman went over his cap in IFA for Tampa, with us expecting to do so this year, I fully expect the Dodgers to spend more than the Yankees did last year now that Friedman has no monetary concerns at all.

[mul21]

I'm curious to see how Friedman handles the ability to actually sign big name FA. I think Theo learned some valuable lessons that Friedman has yet to experience with regard to that and there's probably going to be a bit of a learning curve there, though his philosophy will probably work very well to begin with since they're probably not planning on spending much in the near term and he'll have to fill holes economically.

[jersey cubs fan]

Two things here can directly affect us that aren't really related to the Dodgers immediate on field product:

 

1) I could see Friedman targeting McLeod to be his GM. I know he turned down SD, his hometown team, but could he actually turn down the Dodgers?

 

2) Friedman went over his cap in IFA for Tampa, with us expecting to do so this year, I fully expect the Dodgers to spend more than the Yankees did last year now that Friedman has no monetary concerns at all.

 

Yeah, I used to think that this prolonged suckfest would inevitably leave to front office guys moving on to bigger jobs before the thing pans out. But part of overhauling a front office and creating a deep bench is you should be able to replace such a person.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'd imagine Kemp could be traded without them picking up a dime. Maybe even get something interesting in return.

 

I'm pretty sure he passed thru waivers unclaimed in August.

 

That's not really indicative of anything.

[UK1679666180]

I'm curious to see how Friedman handles the ability to actually sign big name FA. I think Theo learned some valuable lessons that Friedman has yet to experience with regard to that and there's probably going to be a bit of a learning curve there, though his philosophy will probably work very well to begin with since they're probably not planning on spending much in the near term and he'll have to fill holes economically.

 

The only thing he really has to do is improve that bullpen on the cheap, which is what he does better than anyone.

[seanimal]

kyle is just a troll and you all know this. for the millionth time, if you must engage him, please don't him.

 

People who think of factual statements as trolling reveal their own character.

 

people who think trolling is defined by statement's factual merit reveal their intellectual mediocrity

[Sammy Sofa]

I'm curious to see how Friedman handles the ability to actually sign big name FA. I think Theo learned some valuable lessons that Friedman has yet to experience with regard to that

 

Really? I'm not saying that to troll; what was learned? The one "big" FA they've signed under him has been terrible, and "avoiding big FA's altogether" isn't a lesson I necessarily want them embracing.

[Guest]

I'm curious to see how Friedman handles the ability to actually sign big name FA. I think Theo learned some valuable lessons that Friedman has yet to experience with regard to that

 

Really? I'm not saying that to troll; what was learned? The one "big" FA they've signed under him has been terrible, and "avoiding big FA's altogether" isn't a lesson I necessarily want them embracing.

 

 

Theo got to experience the repercussions, both good and bad, of spending big money on long contracts when he was running the Red Sox. Getting to see how your decisions were altered(again, both good and bad) because of the presence of certain players/contracts over the course of a bunch of seasons is worth something, and Friedman has never had that chance.*

 

*He's a bright guy so I doubt he'll be terrible at it, but even smart guys misstep now and then.

[TruffleShuffle]

also, our FO owned theirs this summer on trading their starter with 1.5 years left. yeah yeah, hammel yada yada.

 

Their front office owned our front office in "not finishing last" yet again.

 

lol why do you think this stupidity you like to spout is going to work on me?

 

Every time I un-foe Kyle, he provides an excellent reminder of why I don't want to read his [expletive].

[TruffleShuffle]

And I assume that the Dodgers payroll will fall if for no other reason than Friedman being smart enough to not dump truckloads of money on bullpen mediocrities.

[SouthSideRyan]

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Theo got to experience the repercussions, both good and bad, of spending big money on long contracts when he was running the Red Sox. Getting to see how your decisions were altered(again, both good and bad) because of the presence of certain players/contracts over the course of a bunch of seasons is worth something, and Friedman has never had that chance.*

 

 

I don't buy that for a second.

[Sammy Sofa]

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Theo got to experience the repercussions, both good and bad, of spending big money on long contracts when he was running the Red Sox. Getting to see how your decisions were altered(again, both good and bad) because of the presence of certain players/contracts over the course of a bunch of seasons is worth something, and Friedman has never had that chance.*

 

 

I don't buy that for a second.

 

Yeah, I don't really get this whole "Theo learned his lesson" thing. He's a smart guy, so it's not like he wasn't aware of the ups and downs of big money baseball before he became the Red Sox GM, and it's not like he wasn't managing big money prior to his final couple of years there (which is what it seemed like the initial "lesson learned" post seemed to be about, like Theo is paying his penance for the "mistakes" at the end of his Boston run). It's not like we're talking about something that has to be experienced firsthand to be understood; it's a pretty basic concept.

[Guest]

It's a concept with nuance. There's a difference between knowing long years and big dollars will matter later, and understanding the effect of paying a specific amount to a guy with a certain value for a long time, and then doing so repeatedly as a big market team. It's not calculus, but one of the reasons it's brought up here is Friedman's complete lack of familiarity in that arena. He's signed Longoria (twice), but those weren't exactly FA negotiations. After that, what's the biggest deal of his tenure? It appears to be either 4/25 to Carlos Pena, or 3/21 to James Loney. Burrell and DeJesus are the only others that crack 10 million total value, and both of those are 2 year deals.

[jersey cubs fan]

It's a concept with nuance. There's a difference between knowing long years and big dollars will matter later, and understanding the effect of paying a specific amount to a guy with a certain value for a long time, and then doing so repeatedly as a big market team.

 

That's a theory, I guess. But it doesn't make much sense.

[Sammy Sofa]

It's a concept with nuance. There's a difference between knowing long years and big dollars will matter later, and understanding the effect of paying a specific amount to a guy with a certain value for a long time, and then doing so repeatedly as a big market team. It's not calculus, but one of the reasons it's brought up here is Friedman's complete lack of familiarity in that arena. He's signed Longoria (twice), but those weren't exactly FA negotiations. After that, what's the biggest deal of his tenure? It appears to be either 4/25 to Carlos Pena, or 3/21 to James Loney. Burrell and DeJesus are the only others that crack 10 million total value, and both of those are 2 year deals.

 

I seriously doubt it's a tricky learning curve, especially given who we're talking about.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The lesson learned has resulted in Epstein watching the playoffs from home for five straight years. I don't think the Dodgers want Friedman learning that lesson.

[Sammy Sofa]

[expletive], KYLE.

[Banedon]

The lesson learned has resulted in Epstein watching the playoffs from home for five straight years. I don't think the Dodgers want Friedman learning that lesson.

 

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[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's just interesting to me how all these conversations about undisputed elite executives involve guys who haven't done much lately in terms of actual results. Friedman missed the playoffs two of the last three years. Even Beane's A's were bad for five years, awesome for 2, and pretty good last year.

 

What makes these guys the head of the class ahead of Mozeliak, Duquette, Jocketty?

 

Billy Beane's made the playoffs 8 times in 16 years. Brian Sabean, who nobody thinks is anything all that special outside of dorks who only look at rings, has made it 7 times in 17 years. Is that all that different? And if the pivotal difference is money, then why is Epstein's 6 times in 12 years all that impressive, given the running start and huge cash reserves he used to get there?

 

What makes a great team-runner, and how big is the difference between a great one and an OK one?

[sneakypower]

The lesson learned has resulted in Epstein watching the playoffs from home for five straight years. I don't think the Dodgers want Friedman learning that lesson.

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[jersey cubs fan]

It's just interesting to me how all these conversations about undisputed elite executives involve guys who haven't done much lately in terms of actual results. Friedman missed the playoffs two of the last three years. Even Beane's A's were bad for five years, awesome for 2, and pretty good last year.

 

What makes these guys the head of the class ahead of Mozeliak, Duquette, Jocketty?

 

Billy Beane's made the playoffs 8 times in 16 years. Brian Sabean, who nobody thinks is anything all that special outside of dorks who only look at rings, has made it 7 times in 17 years. Is that all that different? And if the pivotal difference is money, then why is Epstein's 6 times in 12 years all that impressive, given the running start and huge cash reserves he used to get there?

 

What makes a great team-runner, and how big is the difference between a great one and an OK one?

 

Are you really asking what is so impressive about Beane taking that team to the playoffs with no payroll so often? San Francisco has been in the playoffs three times in 11 years and the payroll has risen significantly during that time. He inherited the greatest baseball player in history before that to pad his early numbers.

 

 

 

You can make a point about this without being so freaking stupid.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It's just interesting to me how all these conversations about undisputed elite executives involve guys who haven't done much lately in terms of actual results. Friedman missed the playoffs two of the last three years. Even Beane's A's were bad for five years, awesome for 2, and pretty good last year.

 

What makes these guys the head of the class ahead of Mozeliak, Duquette, Jocketty?

 

Billy Beane's made the playoffs 8 times in 16 years. Brian Sabean, who nobody thinks is anything all that special outside of dorks who only look at rings, has made it 7 times in 17 years. Is that all that different? And if the pivotal difference is money, then why is Epstein's 6 times in 12 years all that impressive, given the running start and huge cash reserves he used to get there?

 

What makes a great team-runner, and how big is the difference between a great one and an OK one?

 

Are you really asking what is so impressive about Beane taking that team to the playoffs with no payroll so often? San Francisco has been in the playoffs three times in 11 years and the payroll has risen significantly during that time. He inherited the greatest baseball player in history before that to pad his early numbers.

 

 

 

You can make a point about this without being so freaking stupid.

 

I'm just trying to feel out the edges of the discussion.

 

OK, so Beane at 8/16 with little payroll and no Bonds to start with is indisputably great.

 

Does that mean that Epstein at 6/12 with a huge running start and huge payrolls is diminshed?

[Sammy Sofa]

Probably not given the end result was a couple of World Series wins.