javi baez deep concern and probably giving hope up thread

[jersey cubs fan]

 

if you put something between two waffles is it a sandwich?

Of course

http://static.parade.condenast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mapled-glazed-waffle-sandwich-ftr.jpg

[Guest]

north has definitely been wrong on some things (like wood's good signs early in season translating into a good year), but holy [expletive] could he have ever been more right on lake and rizzo?

North was right about Rizzo for the wrong reasons. He gets no points for that. Rizzo needed a swing adjustment. Everyone knew what was wrong with Lake. Neither of their problems had to do with the average distance of their fly balls, sorry.

 

LOL

 

How do you not see the obvious logic involved with average fly ball distance? It's a really simple concept.

[jersey cubs fan]

There was reason to be cautiously optimistic about Lake just as there is about Baez. Lake never learned from his failure, hopefully Baez does.

 

If one is pessimistic about every prospect he or she is going to be "right" most of the time. It doesn't mean they have any more insight than any else.

 

No no no no no no.

 

The reasons to be cautiously optimistic about Lake amounted to "might as well look on the bright side of life", while the reasons to be cautiously optimistic about Baez boil down to he is actually an extremely talented baseball player.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

There was reason to be cautiously optimistic about Lake just as there is about Baez. Lake never learned from his failure, hopefully Baez does.

 

If one is pessimistic about every prospect he or she is going to be "right" most of the time. It doesn't mean they have any more insight than any else.

 

The only connection I was making between Lake and Baez was that Lake was a major point of contention last offseason, and Baez might be this offseason.

 

I'm not really down on Baez. I honestly just don't know anymore what's going to happen with him. I said that *if* they think he's going to be this bad again early next year, I'd rather send him back to Iowa for awhile (only 22) than eat the extra loss or two.

 

To which some people insanely replied "If we've got enough other good players, we can afford to take the extra loss or two," which completely flies in the face of years of talking about how wins are at their most valuable and least expendable for teams in the mid-to-high 80s.

[jersey cubs fan]

There was reason to be cautiously optimistic about Lake just as there is about Baez. Lake never learned from his failure, hopefully Baez does.

 

If one is pessimistic about every prospect he or she is going to be "right" most of the time. It doesn't mean they have any more insight than any else.

 

The only connection I was making between Lake and Baez was that Lake was a major point of contention last offseason, and Baez might be this offseason.

 

I'm not really down on Baez. I honestly just don't know anymore what's going to happen with him. I said that *if* they think he's going to be this bad again early next year, I'd rather send him back to Iowa for awhile (only 22) than eat the extra loss or two.

 

To which some people insanely replied "If we've got enough other good players, we can afford to take the extra loss or two," which completely flies in the face of years of talking about how wins are at their most valuable and least expendable for teams in the mid-to-high 80s.

 

go learn to be happy again

[Guest]

god that waffle sandwich looks amazing

 

[expletive] ketogenic diet

[Guest]

How about Lake was never a mega prospect and Baez is?

 

Also, every time Baez struggles, kyle loses his baby to dingos.

[imb]

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-68833199508611_2330_164648973

 

why don't you go eat one of those in a room by yourself

[Sammy Sofa]

http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-68833199508611_2330_164648973

i dont get it

 

It's a waffle iron that makes Cubs waffles. It used to be my avatar.

 

http://www.sports-4-less.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Cubs-solid-blue-150x150.jpg

 

looked like a sandwich press to me

 

if you put something between two waffles is it a sandwich?

 

No. Nor is it when you put stuff between two pancakes, hence why the McGriddle was coined.

[seanimal]

Don't threaten us with even worse arguments, we don't negotiate with terrorists.

 

I'm riding high on last offseason's "Kyle shut up, Junior Lake's not going to be that terrible, line drive percentage means everything!" success.

 

with such low standards of success, it's a surprise you find happiness so elusive

 

There was reason to be cautiously optimistic about Lake just as there is about Baez. Lake never learned from his failure, hopefully Baez does.

 

If one is pessimistic about every prospect he or she is going to be "right" most of the time. It doesn't mean they have any more insight than any else.

 

The only connection I was making between Lake and Baez was that Lake was a major point of contention last offseason, and Baez might be this offseason.

 

I'm not really down on Baez. I honestly just don't know anymore what's going to happen with him. I said that *if* they think he's going to be this bad again early next year, I'd rather send him back to Iowa for awhile (only 22) than eat the extra loss or two.

 

To which some people insanely replied "If we've got enough other good players, we can afford to take the extra loss or two," which completely flies in the face of years of talking about how wins are at their most valuable and least expendable for teams in the mid-to-high 80s.

 

baez not being a win or two worse than the next available option was the whole point of bringing him up this season

[Hairyducked Idiot]

baez not being a win or two worse than the next available option was the whole point of bringing him up this season

 

Fortunately or unfortunately, we found out that at this exact moment, he's worse than we hoped.

[XZero771679666304]

baez not being a win or two worse than the next available option was the whole point of bringing him up this season

 

Fortunately or unfortunately, we found out that at this exact moment, he's worse than we hoped.

 

Hoped, or expected? What he did was about what I expected that he'd do, and I think most reasonable people expected him to struggle. He might have struck out at a rate a few percentage points higher than I would have thought, but it wasn't as if his performance was some kind of sobering epiphany.

 

Given that his "adjustment periods" have gotten a bit longer with each promotion, I don't think it's unreasonable to think there's a decent chance that the pattern will hold, and he will find his footing early next year.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Worse than expected. There's a huge difference between striking out like 34% of the time and 41.5% in 229 PAs. One-armed pitcher Jim Abbott struck out 41.7% of the time.

 

Like I said though, if you *do* think he'll adjust next year and be useful out of the gate, cool. I won't argue. But if you don't, no reason to be afraid to send him back to Iowa for a bit.

[mul21]

Worse than expected. There's a huge difference between striking out like 34% of the time and 41.5% in 229 PAs. One-armed pitcher Jim Abbott struck out 41.7% of the time.

 

Like I said though, if you *do* think he'll adjust next year and be useful out of the gate, cool. I won't argue. But if you don't, no reason to be afraid to send him back to Iowa for a bit.

 

[Hairyducked Idiot]

A statement of fact cannot be a strawman.

 

It may be an appeal to emotion or a non sequitur, though.

[XZero771679666304]

Worse than expected. There's a huge difference between striking out like 34% of the time and 41.5% in 229 PAs. One-armed pitcher Jim Abbott struck out 41.7% of the time.

 

Like I said though, if you *do* think he'll adjust next year and be useful out of the gate, cool. I won't argue. But if you don't, no reason to be afraid to send him back to Iowa for a bit.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he does, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. I really can't recall having as little feel for how a player is going to turn out, ever.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Worse than expected. There's a huge difference between striking out like 34% of the time and 41.5% in 229 PAs. One-armed pitcher Jim Abbott struck out 41.7% of the time.

 

Like I said though, if you *do* think he'll adjust next year and be useful out of the gate, cool. I won't argue. But if you don't, no reason to be afraid to send him back to Iowa for a bit.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he does, and I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. I really can't recall having as little feel for how a player is going to turn out, ever.

 

Definitely.

[Careless]

There was reason to be cautiously optimistic about Lake just as there is about Baez. Lake never learned from his failure, hopefully Baez does.

 

If one is pessimistic about every prospect he or she is going to be "right" most of the time. It doesn't mean they have any more insight than any else.

 

The only connection I was making between Lake and Baez was that Lake was a major point of contention last offseason, and Baez might be this offseason.

 

I'm not really down on Baez. I honestly just don't know anymore what's going to happen with him. I said that *if* they think he's going to be this bad again early next year, I'd rather send him back to Iowa for awhile (only 22) than eat the extra loss or two.

 

To which some people insanely replied "If we've got enough other good players, we can afford to take the extra loss or two," which completely flies in the face of years of talking about how wins are at their most valuable and least expendable for teams in the mid-to-high 80s.

Because people are assuming Javy is basically unique in his requirement to suck at a level before he doesn't suck

[TruffleShuffle]

jim abbott had 24 plate appearances, why even bring that up? Edited October 1, 2014 by TruffleShuffle

[Hairyducked Idiot]

jim abbott had 24 plate appearances, why even bring that up?

 

Because it's a funny way of framing that striking out 42% of the time is a lot. Not just kind of a lot, but like a lot a lot.

[TruffleShuffle]

jim abbott had two arms.

[sneakypower]

jim abbott had two arms.

lol

[Agony and Ivy]

JavyK in his first PA in Puerto Rico...

[NOLA]

JavyK in his first PA in Puerto Rico...

Way to bring a room down. We needed that.

[Agony and Ivy]

JavyK in his first PA in Puerto Rico...

Way to bring a room down. We needed that.

 

Then I won't even mention what he did in his second AB...