javi baez deep concern and probably giving hope up thread

[snoodmonger]

i have to wear long shorts cause otherwise my dick hangs out the leg hole

 

damn dude u've got a huge dick

[imb]

Thanks bro

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Alright, I'm going there.

 

I want us to plan on Baez going back to Iowa to start next season. As of this moment, the 2015 Cubs are as much in the race as anyone, and I'd rather not have him dropping a Junior Lake-style turd on our April and May.

 

He can come back up when either injuries happen or he's keeping his K-rate in the PCL (a magical land where Casey Coleman and Chris Rusin are pretty solid starters) at 25% or when we're out of it and don't care anymore.

 

Heading into the offseason, our projected infield can be Valbuena/Castro/Alcantara/Rizzo.

[jersey cubs fan]

Alright, I'm going there.

 

I want us to plan on Baez going back to Iowa to start next season. As of this moment, the 2015 Cubs are as much in the race as anyone, and I'd rather not have him dropping a Junior Lake-style turd on our April and May.

 

He can come back up when either injuries happen or he's keeping his K-rate in the PCL (a magical land where Casey Coleman and Chris Rusin are pretty solid starters) at 25% or when we're out of it and don't care anymore.

 

Heading into the offseason, our projected infield can be Valbuena/Castro/Alcantara/Rizzo.

But I thought the whole theory was he takes time to adjust. If this happens he will have to go through a whole set of new AAA struggles before adjusting, and then when he comes back up to MLB he will have to go through the MLB struggles again.

[Gilby]

Would anyone here trade Javy for Aaron Sanchez or Daniel Norris? I didn't realize Sanchez did so well in his MLB stint this year.

[biittner77]

Alright, I'm going there.

 

I want us to plan on Baez going back to Iowa to start next season. As of this moment, the 2015 Cubs are as much in the race as anyone, and I'd rather not have him dropping a Junior Lake-style turd on our April and May.

 

He can come back up when either injuries happen or he's keeping his K-rate in the PCL (a magical land where Casey Coleman and Chris Rusin are pretty solid starters) at 25% or when we're out of it and don't care anymore.

 

Heading into the offseason, our projected infield can be Valbuena/Castro/Alcantara/Rizzo.

 

Counter proposal. Baez starts the season in Chicago and bats 6th or 7th but gets sent down once Russell is deemed ready if he hasn't made the necessary adjustments.

 

LF Coghlan (unless they get someone else for this spot)

SS Castro

1st Rizzo

RF Soler

3rd Valbuena (assuming no Bryant until May)

2nd Baez

CF Alcantara

C Castillo

Pitcher

[Guest]

Would anyone here trade Javy for Aaron Sanchez or Daniel Norris? I didn't realize Sanchez did so well in his MLB stint this year.

 

I wouldn't trade Jeffrey Baez for Aaron Sanchez.

 

 

I don't think you send Baez to Iowa, it's not productive for his development so all you do is put off any decision about playing him at the MLB level. Plus there's doubts about the alternatives right now too(Bryant's ability to stay at 3B, Alcantara's MLB production).

 

What I do think you need to do if you're worried about Baez tanking next year is making sure that there's at least one material addition to the offense so that the offense does not need to rely on Baez(or Alcantara for that matter) to be productive.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What I do think you need to do if you're worried about Baez tanking next year is making sure that there's at least one material addition to the offense so that the offense does not need to rely on Baez(or Alcantara for that matter) to be productive.

 

The Cubs having good players elsewhere doesn't mean that a terrible player doesn't hurt them.

 

 

At what point does Baez's development become less important than what's best for the whole team?

[jersey cubs fan]

What I do think you need to do if you're worried about Baez tanking next year is making sure that there's at least one material addition to the offense so that the offense does not need to rely on Baez(or Alcantara for that matter) to be productive.

 

The Cubs having good players elsewhere doesn't mean that a terrible player doesn't hurt them.

 

 

At what point does Baez's development become less important than what's best for the whole team?

 

The Cubs having good players elsewhere does mean you can withstand a little bit of terribleness elsewhere.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The Cubs having other good players makes it even *less* acceptable to let Baez drop a Lake on our early season. The 1-2 games it costs us should be right in the heart of the spectrum where marginal wins are at their most valuable.

 

Of course, this is all assuming that Baez is going to Olt all over the place. If the FO thinks he's going to be awesome in the first half, then it's moot.

Edited September 29, 2014 by Hairyducked Idiot

[Guest]

At what point does Baez's development become less important than what's best for the whole team?

 

At some point in 2015 if he doesn't progress like he has at other levels, and the team is in contention. I'm pretty confident Baez will be better than he was this year. How much better should determine how much of a contingency to have for him. If you're so bearish on him that you think even starting the season at the MLB level is going to be an anchor on the team's chances, IMO you have to trade him.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

At what point does Baez's development become less important than what's best for the whole team?

 

At some point in 2015 if he doesn't progress like he has at other levels, and the team is in contention. I'm pretty confident Baez will be better than he was this year. How much better should determine how much of a contingency to have for him. If you're so bearish on him that you think even starting the season at the MLB level is going to be an anchor on the team's chances, IMO you have to trade him.

 

Really? Because after an entire summer of hearing terrible Rizzo:Olt comparisons, I think we actually have a fairly reasonable parallel on our hands now.

[Guest]

Really? Because after an entire summer of hearing terrible Rizzo:Olt comparisons, I think we actually have a fairly reasonable parallel on our hands now.

 

Sending Baez to Iowa *could* make some difference mechanically, but I don't think it's nearly as valuable as the double whammy of trying to make adjustments and seeing the highest level pitching exploiting him currently. "Letting Baez play in AAA until he gets his K rate to manageable levels" is technically what they did this year, his last 100 PA in AAA it was 24% to go along with a 1.070 OPS. Because of that, since the reason you're sending him down is to maintain a standard with the MLB team, how certain can you ever be certain that he's not going to tank again? It puts the onus on Baez to be great right away at age 22.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm absolutely *not* certain that he's never going to tank again.

 

Is it really that unreasonable to only put a guy in the regular lineup under one of the following two circumstances:

 

1) We have good reason to believe he's the best option available

2) We're out of it for the season so who cares?

 

As of right now, I'm not sure April 2015 Baez meets either of those marks. And if he never does? Oh well.

[Guest]

#1 isn't that simple when you're talking about someone with the talent/results disparity of Baez's MLB time. With the offseason still in front of us, you can also apply this logic to about half of the starting lineup plus rotation. You can't go over the top of all of them.

[Guest]

I think the Cubs find Baez a swing coach for the offseason like they did Rizzo last offseason and he gets fixed, I hope.

 

I think his success will come down to how willing he is to accept coaching. The talent is there.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm absolutely *not* certain that he's never going to tank again.

 

Is it really that unreasonable to only put a guy in the regular lineup under one of the following two circumstances:

 

1) We have good reason to believe he's the best option available

2) We're out of it for the season so who cares?

 

As of right now, I'm not sure April 2015 Baez meets either of those marks. And if he never does? Oh well.

 

Yeah, that is unreasonable.

 

With almost all kids there is a point where you have to take the risk that somebody may currently be a better option, but your kid needs the time.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Yeah, that is unreasonable.

 

With almost all kids there is a point where you have to take the risk that somebody may currently be a better option, but your kid needs the time.

 

Oh god I can't wait until 2016 when we miss the playoffs by two games because we just had to let Kyle Schwarber take his lumps.

 

That's a terrible way to run a baseball team. If the kid is worthwhile, he'll make himself the best option. Giving them the time they need is what the minors are for.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

With the offseason still in front of us, you can also apply this logic to about half of the starting lineup plus rotation.

 

We have at least four better infielders on the roster *right now*. Not including Bryant and Russell.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, that is unreasonable.

 

With almost all kids there is a point where you have to take the risk that somebody may currently be a better option, but your kid needs the time.

 

Oh god I can't wait until 2016 when we miss the playoffs by two games because we just had to let Kyle Schwarber take his lumps.

 

That's a terrible way to run a baseball team. If the kid is worthwhile, he'll make himself the best option. Giving them the time they need is what the minors are for.

 

The hell? So unless a prospect is immediately good they can't afford to fit them in the lineup?

[George Hayduke]

Yeah, that is unreasonable.

 

With almost all kids there is a point where you have to take the risk that somebody may currently be a better option, but your kid needs the time.

 

Oh god I can't wait until 2016 when we miss the playoffs by two games because we just had to let Kyle Schwarber take his lumps.

 

That's a terrible way to run a baseball team. If the kid is worthwhile, he'll make himself the best option. Giving them the time they need is what the minors are for.

Obviously a lot depends on how much progress he makes during the offseason/ST, and maybe you give him a little bit of grace in April if he's made some improvement and isn't *quite* where he needs to be yet to start the season. But I agree with Kyle that you can't just throw him out there and let him flail around in the middle of the order with a sub-.500 OPS for months and months just because he has a high ceiling and might get there with enough time. If the Cubs plan on seriously contending next year, they can't afford a sub-replacement level gaping hole for half the season. That said, let's hope Javy figures some things out this winter.

[Sammy Sofa]

Nobody said they HAVE to play him at the top or the middle of the lineup next year if he's still struggling.

[George Hayduke]

Nobody said they HAVE to play him at the top or the middle of the lineup next year if he's still struggling.

Moving him down in the order for a while if he is still struggling is definitely an option.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, that is unreasonable.

 

With almost all kids there is a point where you have to take the risk that somebody may currently be a better option, but your kid needs the time.

 

Oh god I can't wait until 2016 when we miss the playoffs by two games because we just had to let Kyle Schwarber take his lumps.

 

That's a terrible way to run a baseball team. If the kid is worthwhile, he'll make himself the best option. Giving them the time they need is what the minors are for.

 

No you dolt. You never "know" that the kid is the absolute best option right now. That is the point. Your absurdly stupid criteria for allowing a young player to take over a position is the Dusty Baker method and the exact wrong way to run anything.

[imb]

[expletive], it was so awesome around here for the week when kyle forgot to pay his internet bill