Minor League Discussion & Boxes 7-1-14

[sneakypower]

They had Cashner, which was needed to get Rizzo. They had a very young Castro and Samardzija as well. They also had the trade pieces needed to acquire Wood.

 

 

There was no bare cupboard.

at the minor league level, it is simply just not possible to make a valid argument that the FO inherited a remotely viable farm system; i'd make the educated guess we've received less than 5 wins total out of that group to this point

 

Shark was a 26 year old reliever with a replacement-level performance to that point in his career, but if you want to argue he was an elite asset, continue to do so, and prove further how unwilling you're going to be to think objectively

 

Cashner's nearly 28 and has amassed a total of 3.5 fWAR; perhaps you'll tell me next what fantastic trade assets Larry Anderson and Heathcliff Slocumb were?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

"hey guys I'm gonna prove that the Cubs had nothing even close to the average farm system, let me compare them to probably the top 2 systems in that time period for MLB production."

 

We should have demoted Castro. Then we would have had someone as good as Trout in the farm system, which would boost the rankings.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

oh snap

[Guest]

They had Cashner, which was needed to get Rizzo. They had a very young Castro and Samardzija as well. They also had the trade pieces needed to acquire Wood.

 

 

There was no bare cupboard.

at the minor league level, it is simply just not possible to make a valid argument that the FO inherited a remotely viable farm system; i'd make the educated guess we've received less than 5 wins total out of that group to this point

 

Shark was a 26 year old reliever with a replacement-level performance to that point in his career, but if you want to argue he was an elite asset, continue to do so, and prove further how unwilling you're going to be to think objectively

 

Cashner's nearly 28 and has amassed a total of 3.5 fWAR; perhaps you'll tell me next what fantastic trade assets Larry Anderson and Heathcliff Slocumb were?

I'm sympathetic to your argument, but you can't have it both ways. Shark might have sucked at the time but Cashner was highly thought of.

[jersey cubs fan]

They had Cashner, which was needed to get Rizzo. They had a very young Castro and Samardzija as well. They also had the trade pieces needed to acquire Wood.

 

 

There was no bare cupboard.

at the minor league level, it is simply just not possible to make a valid argument that the FO inherited a remotely viable farm system; i'd make the educated guess we've received less than 5 wins total out of that group to this point

 

Shark was a 26 year old reliever with a replacement-level performance to that point in his career, but if you want to argue he was an elite asset, continue to do so, and prove further how unwilling you're going to be to think objectively

 

Cashner's nearly 28 and has amassed a total of 3.5 fWAR; perhaps you'll tell me next what fantastic trade assets Larry Anderson and Heathcliff Slocumb were?

 

You have shown no interest in thinking objectively at all. There's no point in talking with another apologist about their most pathetically apologistic nonsense. Boo hoo, they had nothing to work with, nothing at all. There was no talent and no assets and no hope. The 5-year rebuild was completely necessary and it's all the other guys' fault.

[sneakypower]

I'm sympathetic to your argument, but you can't have it both ways. Shark might have sucked at the time but Cashner was highly thought of.

he was highly thought of, mostly because he touched 100, but we didn't do him a lot of favors in his development

 

i don't know if you recall the furor here when he was getting jerked around between starting & relieving (along with Jay Jackson) but lo & behold he gets a shoulder injury (6 months later) and we basically traded him as damaged goods

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Anything short of an elite farm system is the equivalent of having no farm system at all.

[sneakypower]

Anything short of an elite farm system is the equivalent of having no farm system at all.

well, more specifically, getting only 1 or 2 starters on offense and essentially zero pitching out of your farm system is the equivalent of having no farm system at all

[ScrubMD]

It seems like it would be informative to look back and see how previous top prospects turned out under Hendry. There's a pretty good list of monumental busts. Did any position players besides (briefly) Soto and Castro pan out? There were some decent pitchers developed, but still a pretty bad track record.

 

It seems like Hendry was a decent scout who put almost zero emphasis on development, which is a strength of the new front office. There was some decent talent when Theo took over, but what are the odds that that talent would have turned out any better than the rest of the talented prospects from Hendry's tenure?

[sneakypower]

You have shown no interest in thinking objectively at all. There's no point in talking with another apologist about their most pathetically apologistic nonsense. Boo hoo, they had nothing to work with, nothing at all. There was no talent and no assets and no hope. The 5-year rebuild was completely necessary and it's all the other guys' fault.

this post kind of proves my point, as i haven't mentioned any of the bolded in this argument, at all

[Andy]

Minor league assets that are valued highly enough to then turn into other assets (Cashner) don't suddenly stop being assets retroactively because they were traded and then didn't become stars. After all, presumably, if we ever start trying to win MLB games, part of Theo and Co.'s job is going to include trading some minor leaguers away for other assets.

[Tyrant]

They had Cashner, which was needed to get Rizzo. They had a very young Castro and Samardzija as well. They also had the trade pieces needed to acquire Wood.

 

 

There was no bare cupboard.

at the minor league level, it is simply just not possible to make a valid argument that the FO inherited a remotely viable farm system; i'd make the educated guess we've received less than 5 wins total out of that group to this point

 

Shark was a 26 year old reliever with a replacement-level performance to that point in his career, but if you want to argue he was an elite asset, continue to do so, and prove further how unwilling you're going to be to think objectively

 

Cashner's nearly 28 and has amassed a total of 3.5 fWAR; perhaps you'll tell me next what fantastic trade assets Larry Anderson and Heathcliff Slocumb were?

 

You have shown no interest in thinking objectively at all. There's no point in talking with another apologist about their most pathetically apologistic nonsense. Boo hoo, they had nothing to work with, nothing at all. There was no talent and no assets and no hope. The 5-year rebuild was completely necessary and it's all the other guys' fault.

 

you sound like glenn beck

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Minor league assets that are valued highly enough to then turn into other assets (Cashner) don't suddenly stop being assets retroactively because they were traded and then didn't become stars. After all, presumably, if we ever start trying to win MLB games, part of Theo and Co.'s job is going to include trading some minor leaguers away for other assets.

 

Technically, Cashner had lost his prospect status at that point, which is another great indication of why farm system rankings are dumb.

[A New Era]

Hendry's "guys" had a direct effect on getting us. .. without Hendry's guys we wouldn't have Edwards, Ramirez, Rizzo, Castro, Baez, and whatever we will get for Shark. The FO has added exponentially but Hendry's farm is what got Shark, Garza, Cashner, Castro and Baez. And those guys turned into some very important pieces of our rebuild.

 

A rational mind would say, well this FO has been good but thank you Hendry for having some of the pieces that turned into what appear to be core players on our next competitive team.

[XZero771679666304]

As with most things, the truth lies in the middle here. The farm system wasn't barren, but it certainly wasn't good by any stretch. The MLB roster had a couple long term assets, but that's about it.

 

Neither the "Theo and Jed inherited nothing" or "They had enough to turn things around quickly" arguments hold much water, imo.

[ScrubMD]

 

You have shown no interest in thinking objectively at all. There's no point in talking with another apologist about their most pathetically apologistic nonsense. Boo hoo, they had nothing to work with, nothing at all. There was no talent and no assets and no hope. The 5-year rebuild was completely necessary and it's all the other guys' fault.

 

you sound like glenn beck

 

Dominican facility? More like FEMA CAMP!

[Quakers]

What is the story about K Brown?