2014 Bulls Offseason Thread

[Cubswin11]

If the Bulls can get the Love trade done, why not bring Luol back? If Love is here, I think I'd rather have Deng over Melo.

Probably couldn't afford him with where they'd be at cap wise.

[Wilson A2000]

If the Bulls can get the Love trade done, why not bring Luol back? If Love is here, I think I'd rather have Deng over Melo.

Probably couldn't afford him with where they'd be at cap wise.

 

They could afford Melo but not Deng?

[Cubswin11]

If the Bulls can get the Love trade done, why not bring Luol back? If Love is here, I think I'd rather have Deng over Melo.

Probably couldn't afford him with where they'd be at cap wise.

 

They could afford Melo but not Deng?

They couldn't afford Love+Deng. Or Melo+Love.

[Guest]

I believe the Love+Melo hypothetical requires a sign and trade with the Knicks to work, which I don't think is possible/feasible with Deng. Also you have to gut the roster to make Love+Melo work and would need to do something similar(if not as extreme) with Deng, which obviously may not be worth it.

[davell]

I saw it, it requires Melo taking 11 mill or so in the 1st year. So while he's not feasible, Deng actually very much is.

Oh, Dunleavy would need to be dealt for a 2nd or something in order for it to work. The key is getting your salary down to Rose, Love, and Noah.

[rawaction]

As a re-signing with the Knicks continues to fade as his priority, Chicago and Houston have emerged as the clear frontrunners to acquire Anthony, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

 

Chicago and Houston front-office executives are working diligently on contingencies to clear the space to sign Anthony outright – or engage sign-and-trade scenarios with New York, sources said.

 

The Source is The Source magazine.

[davell]

I can't see Phil liking Lin at all. Houston has to get the Knicks or a 3rd team to take on Lin and Asik. I doubt that's going to be an easy task.

[ChiCubsFan]

Bulls NEED to work out a sign and trade if they're going to get Melo. It's an infinitely better scenario than an outright sign.

[Guest]

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/28103289-419/carmelo-lebron-bulls-want-to-improve-at-almost-any-cost.html

[Wilson A2000]

Bulls NEED to work out a sign and trade if they're going to get Melo. It's an infinitely better scenario than an outright sign.

 

I thought if you opt out, you have to be involved in a sign and trade?

[Guest]

Bulls NEED to work out a sign and trade if they're going to get Melo. It's an infinitely better scenario than an outright sign.

 

I thought if you opt out, you have to be involved in a sign and trade?

 

what?

 

and did you also say you'd rather have deng than melo? wtf??!

[Wilson A2000]

Bulls NEED to work out a sign and trade if they're going to get Melo. It's an infinitely better scenario than an outright sign.

 

I thought if you opt out, you have to be involved in a sign and trade?

 

what?

 

and did you also say you'd rather have deng than melo? wtf??!

 

Did you even bother to mention the context? I said if the Bulls got Kevin Love first, I would rather add Deng than trying to get Love and Melo.

[Guest]

But WHY would you want such a thing?

[Wilson A2000]

But WHY would you want such a thing?

 

Because that would make a better team. You can save what, $3-5 million with Deng as opposed to Melo and use that on someone else.

[Guest]

no, it would not make a better team

[WrigleyField 22]

But WHY would you want such a thing?

 

Because that would make a better team. You can save what, $3-5 million with Deng as opposed to Melo and use that on someone else.

You don't understand how the NBA salary cap works. But even if it did work like that Melo is better than Deng and a $3M player.

 

 

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[Wilson A2000]

But WHY would you want such a thing?

 

Because that would make a better team. You can save what, $3-5 million with Deng as opposed to Melo and use that on someone else.

You don't understand how the NBA salary cap works. But even if it did work like that Melo is better than Deng and a $3M player.

 

 

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Enlighten me on the cap

[WrigleyField 22]

In this instance you are either above the cap or below the cap and to facilitate Love and Melo you pretty much have to operate above the cap. When you operate above the cap, only exceptions allow you to add a player. In this case the salary difference of Deng and Melo is almost guaranteed not to make a difference with the only possible factor being the apron. But the apron won't come I to play here.

 

So I can work out a scenario where I retain just Rose, Butler, Noah, Snell, 2 2014 picks, and Greg Smith, and trade for Kevin Love and his 17Mish salary, that allows me to sign Melo to a deal starting around 17M also (in a S&T) and still have my Bi-Annual exception and Mid Level exception to use, allowing me to sign guys over the cap. (You could also swap Gibson in for Noah or drop one of your picks, etc but this is kind of bare bones salary wise- anything else basically helps with the apron room, but doesn't gain us any further exceptions). So on this scenario if I were to S&T for Deng (has to be S&T), I've opened up no other exceptions. And since I need to be sending out salary, probably lose many of the same pieces as a Melo S&T, so you don't retain anything extra.

 

Now we can also look at the even less realistic scenario where we try to fit Love and Melo operate under the cap. It requires the Boozer amnesty obviously. And whether in the Love trade or salary dumps getting rid of almost everyone. Lining it up, you look like this.

 

Over the cap-

Rose, Love, Butler, Snell, pick 16, pick 19, Smith, MLE ($5M), BAE (~$2M), (Noah or Gibson), (Melo or Deng, either in S&T, with enough apron room to get either*)

*Possibly you need to choose Gibson over Noah in a Love trade to be able to fit Melo (4.7M cap difference), but that's more realistic anyways.

 

Under the cap

Rose, Love, Butler, Snell, pick 16, pick 19, Smith, Room MLE ($2.7M), and $19M (presumably all for Melo or Deng and this other piece).

 

Now of course we can get into semantics of what it will actually cost trade wise to get Melo and Love, but I think the over the cap scenario basically works around Taj or Noah and whatever picks we have for Love and Boozer and some other picks for Melo (hey it's unrealistic, just playing with the hypothetical). But the bottom line is to draw up dream scenarios where we get Melo and Love, to then substitute Deng for Melo doesn't give that cap saving. And in the scenario where you kind of do see that 1:1 cap room is the scenario where you have to operate as a under the cap team- a clearly less favorable option to operating as an above the cap team.

 

Will line up the actual salary figures if I ever post from my computer and not my phone.

 

 

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[Banedon]

In this instance you are either above the cap or below the cap and to facilitate Love and Melo you pretty much have to operate above the cap. When you operate above the cap, only exceptions allow you to add a player. In this case the salary difference of Deng and Melo is almost guaranteed not to make a difference with the only possible factor being the apron. But the apron won't come I to play here.

 

So I can work out a scenario where I retain just Rose, Butler, Noah, Snell, 2 2014 picks, and Greg Smith, and trade for Kevin Love and his 17Mish salary, that allows me to sign Melo to a deal starting around 17M also (in a S&T) and still have my Bi-Annual exception and Mid Level exception to use, allowing me to sign guys over the cap. (You could also swap Gibson in for Noah or drop one of your picks, etc but this is kind of bare bones salary wise- anything else basically helps with the apron room, but doesn't gain us any further exceptions). So on this scenario if I were to S&T for Deng (has to be S&T), I've opened up no other exceptions. And since I need to be sending out salary, probably lose many of the same pieces as a Melo S&T, so you don't retain anything extra.

 

Now we can also look at the even less realistic scenario where we try to fit Love and Melo operate under the cap. It requires the Boozer amnesty obviously. And whether in the Love trade or salary dumps getting rid of almost everyone. Lining it up, you look like this.

 

Over the cap-

Rose, Love, Butler, Snell, pick 16, pick 19, Smith, MLE ($5M), BAE (~$2M), (Noah or Gibson), (Melo or Deng, either in S&T, with enough apron room to get either*)

*Possibly you need to choose Gibson over Noah in a Love trade to be able to fit Melo (4.7M cap difference), but that's more realistic anyways.

 

Under the cap

Rose, Love, Butler, Snell, pick 16, pick 19, Smith, Room MLE ($2.7M), and $19M (presumably all for Melo or Deng and this other piece).

 

Now of course we can get into semantics of what it will actually cost trade wise to get Melo and Love, but I think the over the cap scenario basically works around Taj or Noah and whatever picks we have for Love and Boozer and some other picks for Melo (hey it's unrealistic, just playing with the hypothetical). But the bottom line is to draw up dream scenarios where we get Melo and Love, to then substitute Deng for Melo doesn't give that cap saving. And in the scenario where you kind of do see that 1:1 cap room is the scenario where you have to operate as a under the cap team- a clearly less favorable option to operating as an above the cap team.

 

Will line up the actual salary figures if I ever post from my computer and not my phone.

 

 

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Man, that's a lot of typing and accurate spelling for a phone post. Well done.

[Guest]

@KCJHoop: As for DRose's physical state, which has been full contact since 1st round of playoffs, Coach K said "we'll see how he is that (July) week."

[RynoRules]

That should tell us and the Gar-Pax a lot.

[WrigleyField 22]

In this instance you are either above the cap or below the cap and to facilitate Love and Melo you pretty much have to operate above the cap. When you operate above the cap, only exceptions allow you to add a player. In this case the salary difference of Deng and Melo is almost guaranteed not to make a difference with the only possible factor being the apron. But the apron won't come I to play here.

 

So I can work out a scenario where I retain just Rose, Butler, Noah, Snell, 2 2014 picks, and Greg Smith, and trade for Kevin Love and his 17Mish salary, that allows me to sign Melo to a deal starting around 17M also (in a S&T) and still have my Bi-Annual exception and Mid Level exception to use, allowing me to sign guys over the cap. (You could also swap Gibson in for Noah or drop one of your picks, etc but this is kind of bare bones salary wise- anything else basically helps with the apron room, but doesn't gain us any further exceptions). So on this scenario if I were to S&T for Deng (has to be S&T), I've opened up no other exceptions. And since I need to be sending out salary, probably lose many of the same pieces as a Melo S&T, so you don't retain anything extra.

 

Now we can also look at the even less realistic scenario where we try to fit Love and Melo operate under the cap. It requires the Boozer amnesty obviously. And whether in the Love trade or salary dumps getting rid of almost everyone. Lining it up, you look like this.

 

Over the cap-

Rose, Love, Butler, Snell, pick 16, pick 19, Smith, MLE ($5M), BAE (~$2M), (Noah or Gibson), (Melo or Deng, either in S&T, with enough apron room to get either*)

*Possibly you need to choose Gibson over Noah in a Love trade to be able to fit Melo (4.7M cap difference), but that's more realistic anyways.

 

Under the cap

Rose, Love, Butler, Snell, pick 16, pick 19, Smith, Room MLE ($2.7M), and $19M (presumably all for Melo or Deng and this other piece).

 

Now of course we can get into semantics of what it will actually cost trade wise to get Melo and Love, but I think the over the cap scenario basically works around Taj or Noah and whatever picks we have for Love and Boozer and some other picks for Melo (hey it's unrealistic, just playing with the hypothetical). But the bottom line is to draw up dream scenarios where we get Melo and Love, to then substitute Deng for Melo doesn't give that cap saving. And in the scenario where you kind of do see that 1:1 cap room is the scenario where you have to operate as a under the cap team- a clearly less favorable option to operating as an above the cap team.

 

Will line up the actual salary figures if I ever post from my computer and not my phone.

 

 

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Man, that's a lot of typing and accurate spelling for a phone post. Well done.

Practice. I almost never post from an actual computer anymore, either a phone or tablet.

 

 

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[Guest]

Dan Bernstein @dan_bernstein

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#NBA source: "#Bulls are #1 on Carmelo's list. Up to them to make it happen." Must clear $15-17 MM cap space, possible sign/trade.

 

 

Similar notions coming from a few different directions today

[UMFan83]

Dan Bernstein @dan_bernstein

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#NBA source: "#Bulls are #1 on Carmelo's list. Up to them to make it happen." Must clear $15-17 MM cap space, possible sign/trade.

 

 

Similar notions coming from a few different directions today

 

good stuff.

 

I also enjoyed when the NY Times published an article 3 days before 2010 FA saying "Lebron to the Bulls is a done deal"

 

Meaning, that's great to hear but I'll believe it when Melo is holding up a Bulls jersey at a presser.

[WrigleyField 22]

Need to sell Dunleavy for cap space ASAP to give us decent leverage. That'd put us in the $14M range offer which may be enough to call NY bluff and then go the S&T route (and presumably then actually give him more like 17-18). Needs to be wrapped up by July 16 to do a S&T so Boozer can still be involved, otherwise we use the amnesty and go the cap space route.

 

 

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