Minor League Discussion & Boxes 4-24-14

[Guest]

Yes, you misanthropes are taking the news of a single prospect having a doctor visit and turning into a complaint about the rebuilding process. Obnoxious, irritating, tedious, disingenuous, pick your adjective to describe how ridiculous that is.

 

Less ridiculous than calling fans that have to live through this nonsense "misanthropes". That's a real [expletive] move by you.

 

You get more upset at fans that do not enjoy this process than the people putting us through this process. That says a lot about you.

 

Get real. CJ Edwards having a doctor visit does not require meta-commentary on the organization's process, most especially obnoxious sarcasm that isn't even a real point. If you can't see in this, the most obvious of examples, that some people are outright looking for ways to gripe about the big picture, I don't know what to tell you.

[Guest]

Yes, you misanthropes are taking the news of a single prospect having a doctor visit and turning into a complaint about the rebuilding process. Obnoxious, irritating, tedious, disingenuous, pick your adjective to describe how ridiculous that is.

 

Less ridiculous than calling fans that have to live through this nonsense "misanthropes". That's a real [expletive] move by you.

 

You get more upset at fans that do not enjoy this process than the people putting us through this process. That says a lot about you.

 

Get real. CJ Edwards having a doctor visit does not require meta-commentary on the organization's process, most especially obnoxious sarcasm that isn't even a real point. If you can't see in this, the most obvious of examples, that some people are outright looking for ways to gripe about the big picture, I don't know what to tell you.

 

no one is looking for anything, it's just so obviously there

[Guest]

Well, even in a best case scenario, he's probably shut down for a while and he won't pitch much more than the 116 innings he threw last year. Which pushes back his ETA for the majors.

 

Dealing with the same issue with Pierce Johnson and his hamstring injury. Pierce threw 118 IP last season.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Edwards winds up out even a month you have the only top 100 pitching prospects in the system having injury question marks as you actively look to trade away your best major league pitcher and continue to have a depressed payroll for years to come when you could fill some starting pitching roles. The concern isnt difficult to understand

[Guest]

If Edwards winds up out even a month you have the only top 100 pitching prospects in the system having injury question marks as you actively look to trade away your best major league pitcher and continue to have a depressed payroll for years to come when you could fill some starting pitching roles. The concern isnt difficult to understand

 

the money is coming the money is coming the money is coming

[ctcf]

lol this thread

 

Cubs prospect C.J. Edwards is in Chicago on Thursday for an examination of his right shoulder.

Edwards felt some shoulder fatigue during a recent bullpen session and the Cubs want to be sure it's nothing serious. The 22-year-old right-hander has posted a 2.61 ERA, 1.065 WHIP, and 20/8 K/BB ratio in 20 2/3 innings this season for the Double-A Tennessee Smokies. He is the Cubs' top pitching prospect.

[Tyrant]

TT is the Darren Rovell of Cubs message board moderators.

 

So what are you, like the Rush Limbaugh of Cubs message board posters?

[Guest]

Yeah, fatigue sounds far less scary.

 

@MDGonzales: Cubs top pitching C.J. Edwards getting right shoulder checked out in Chicago after experiencing fatigue in bullpen session

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It sounds no less scary to me.

 

It could be nothing. It could be something. But nothing and something both start the exact same way, like this.

[CubInOK]

Yeah, fatigue sounds far less scary.

 

@MDGonzales: Cubs top pitching C.J. Edwards getting right shoulder checked out in Chicago after experiencing fatigue in bullpen session

Well, since yesterday's big league team didn't give me enough of a reason to start injecting heroin into my forehead...

[Guest]

If Edwards winds up out even a month you have the only top 100 pitching prospects in the system having injury question marks as you actively look to trade away your best major league pitcher and continue to have a depressed payroll for years to come when you could fill some starting pitching roles. The concern isnt difficult to understand

 

Well your post actually attempts to make a point, for one difference. To speak to that point, the Cubs are not leveraged on Edwards and/or Johnson being successes for the major league team succeeding. In fact, for as much as "waves and waves" get mocked as a talking point, that's the entire benefit here. Even with attrition, there's still several good players that are coming in the next 12-24 months. You don't need ALL of Baez, Bryant, Alcantara, Lake, Olt, Soler, Johnson, Edwards, and Hendricks to be successes, and the expected rates of attrition you're still filling quite a few gaps, which renders the original post's hyperbole about being "one million percent counting on 20 year olds" for "any success the team has in the next 10 years" as obnoxious and tedious.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You don't need ALL of Baez, Bryant, Alcantara, Lake, Olt, Soler, Johnson, Edwards, and Hendricks to be successes, and the expected rates of attrition you're still filling quite a few gaps

 

The problem is that even if almost all of them succeed, you are still short a lot of pitching, which is why any injury to a pitching prospect would be especially upsetting. We have no margin for error there.

[illiniguy]

You don't need ALL of Baez, Bryant, Alcantara, Lake, Olt, Soler, Johnson, Edwards, and Hendricks to be successes, and the expected rates of attrition you're still filling quite a few gaps

 

The problem is that even if almost all of them succeed, you are still short a lot of pitching, which is why any injury to a pitching prospect would be especially upsetting. We have no margin for error there.

Seems to me the starting pitching has been ok the past couple of years and had we had any kind of offense we'd be a lot more competitive. That while not spending any real money on pitching. I think if we develop decent hitters we will be fine. But, I am probably wrong.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Starting pitching has been *slightly* less of burning brush fire of awful than the rest of the roster, but I wouldn't call it good. Relying on $6m 1-WAR pitchers to give you 2-WAR seasons isn't a way to build a playoff team.

[davell]

I agree to an extent, but we have Hendricks, CJ, Black, Pineyro, and PJ in the upper levels. I'm only hoping to get 1 out of that entire group.

 

Wood, Shark or one coming from the return, a trade involving Alcantara, Vogelbach, maybe another piece brings one, and one high dollar FA. That's 4-just one needs to come from that group, which may also include the 4th pick.

[imb]

You don't need ALL of Baez, Bryant, Alcantara, Lake, Olt, Soler, Johnson, Edwards, and Hendricks to be successes, and the expected rates of attrition you're still filling quite a few gaps

 

The problem is that even if almost all of them succeed, you are still short a lot of pitching, which is why any injury to a pitching prospect would be especially upsetting. We have no margin for error there.

 

thank god we don't draft pitchers

[sneakypower]

You don't need ALL of Baez, Bryant, Alcantara, Lake, Olt, Soler, Johnson, Edwards, and Hendricks to be successes, and the expected rates of attrition you're still filling quite a few gaps

 

The problem is that even if almost all of them succeed, you are still short a lot of pitching, which is why any injury to a pitching prospect would be especially upsetting. We have no margin for error there.

 

thank god we don't draft pitchers

but we won't suffer any injury heartbreak!

[Hairyducked Idiot]

thank god we don't draft pitchers

 

We do, we just draft them en masse in the later rounds.

 

It'll start to work eventually, but in the mean time they need to hit on trades and free agents and not have too many of the few upper-level guys we have flame out.

[USSoccer]

I think this is just an example of one of the hundred things that can go wrong with prospects before they reach the majors. That's why there's snarky-assed comments about the overall plan.

[imb]

thank god we don't draft pitchers

 

We do, we just draft them en masse in the later rounds.

 

It'll start to work eventually, but in the mean time they need to hit on trades and free agents and not have too many of the few upper-level guys we have flame out.

 

oh cool, edwards shoulder is np then, we got zastrynzy

[SouthSideRyan]

If we can just find guys in the later rounds why are so intent on grabbing top 5 picks?

[XZero771679666304]

If we can just find guys in the later rounds why are so intent on grabbing top 5 picks?

 

To this point, to grab potential impact position players, which we kind of needed. I suspect we'll see a departure from that this June, though.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

oh cool, edwards shoulder is np then, we got zastrynzy

 

Further away

[Hairyducked Idiot]

If we can just find guys in the later rounds why are so intent on grabbing top 5 picks?

 

That's where we get the hitters.

[Guest]

Abuck's comment succinctly summed up the danger of the Cubs plan.