Samardzija trade rumors

[Guest]

Seriously, if we're getting a player that's as good as Sanchez's reputation, that's not a bad deal. But Sanchez is not good, so that is a pretty bad deal. For as much people talk about Toronto's system I don't like it very much for a Shark trade, the guys who would headline that deal do not inspire me. Give me Baltimore, KC, even Seattle if Jack Z loses his mind (probable) over Sanchez being treated like he's some prize.

[Guest]

btw - I take it back. Pompey is more than intriguing. I just noticed the 26 of 28 stolen bases on the year. Combine that with a consistently very good walk rate, enough pop to have 22 xbh already, solid CF defensive reputation, and a reasonably controlled whiff rate. He's a pretty darned good OF prospect.

[Guest]

Seriously, if we're getting a player that's as good as Sanchez's reputation, that's not a bad deal. But Sanchez is not good, so that is a pretty bad deal. For as much people talk about Toronto's system I don't like it very much for a Shark trade, the guys who would headline that deal do not inspire me. Give me Baltimore, KC, even Seattle if Jack Z loses his mind (probable) over Sanchez being treated like he's some prize.

The only way I love a Toronto trade is if they include Stroman as the #1 piece and Norris as a #2.

 

I can't see it happening, though.

[Little Slide Rooter]

I'm confident that if they didn't feel as though Sanchez was something they could fix, they wouldn't be considering him as the cornerstone for a package for one of the summer' stop trade targets. But there's really no rush with this.

 

If Shark was going to be a free agent this winter, which I keep forgetting that he isn't, I'd say jump on it. It's a decent enough package, but not one worth rushing to pull the trigger. We could probably get a greater or equal package in the winter if we still have him and an extension isn't a possibility.

[davell]

Surely Norris has bypassed Sanchez at this point. Has he passed up Stroman too? I can see that too. Not sure I like him enough to be the headliner of a Shark deal though. The good news is that the deals that get talked about the most aren't the ones that get done anyway.

[muntjack]

Norris and Pompey were the two Toronto guys I had been looking at. Like them both a lot. Nobody else above high A is very interesting, though. Matt Boyd (2013 6th round LHP) has very similar numbers to Norris ( K 30% BB 5%) in High A but he's two years older and needs to start moving up.

 

Was really hoping to get an MLB ready OF out of Shark, but that looks unlikely.

[rawaction]

I don't hate that deal. I think Sanchez can be fixed. If the Cubs are confident they are the team that can do that, it's a doable deal....but probably not for another month or so to see if someone else can top that.

 

I agree you do have to deal him before this year's deadline. No contract. Value lessens if he struggles down the stretch or next year, in a contract year.

 

I really want the O's to make a run at Samardzija. Badly.

[Guest]

I don't hate that deal. I think Sanchez can be fixed. If the Cubs are confident they are the team that can do that, it's a doable deal....but probably not for another month or so to see if someone else can top that.

 

I agree you do have to deal him before this year's deadline. No contract. Value lessens if he struggles down the stretch or next year, in a contract year.

 

I really want the O's to make a run at Samardzija. Badly.

You're wanting two of Bundy/Gausman/Harvey?

[Guest]

Seriously, if we're getting a player that's as good as Sanchez's reputation, that's not a bad deal. But Sanchez is not good, so that is a pretty bad deal. For as much people talk about Toronto's system I don't like it very much for a Shark trade, the guys who would headline that deal do not inspire me. Give me Baltimore, KC, even Seattle if Jack Z loses his mind (probable) over Sanchez being treated like he's some prize.

What would Seattle put together that would easily top that Toronto trade?

[jersey cubs fan]

Seriously, if we're getting a player that's as good as Sanchez's reputation, that's not a bad deal. But Sanchez is not good, so that is a pretty bad deal. For as much people talk about Toronto's system I don't like it very much for a Shark trade, the guys who would headline that deal do not inspire me. Give me Baltimore, KC, even Seattle if Jack Z loses his mind (probable) over Sanchez being treated like he's some prize.

What would Seattle put together that would easily top that Toronto trade?

 

I want it all, and I want it now.

[Guest]

Seriously, if we're getting a player that's as good as Sanchez's reputation, that's not a bad deal. But Sanchez is not good, so that is a pretty bad deal. For as much people talk about Toronto's system I don't like it very much for a Shark trade, the guys who would headline that deal do not inspire me. Give me Baltimore, KC, even Seattle if Jack Z loses his mind (probable) over Sanchez being treated like he's some prize.

What would Seattle put together that would easily top that Toronto trade?

 

Walker > Paxton > Norris > Hultzen > Heathcliff Slocumb > Sanchez

 

I really, really, really don't want Sanchez, and I put a high value on MLB readiness.

[Guest]

Both Walker and Paxton are battling shoulder issues. I haven't heard any reports on Walker's stuff since coming back, but it would worry me to bring back two bum shoulders in return for our best trade asset.

[Guest]

Both Walker and Paxton are battling shoulder issues. I haven't heard any reports on Walker's stuff since coming back, but it would worry me to bring back two bum shoulders in return for our best trade asset.

 

They were last on my list of teams for a reason, but still preferable to Sanchez (bad) and Norris (good but not really much of an MLB asset until 2016).

[davell]

Part of me is worried no one meets our prices after seeing how the Feldman deal worked out and hearing Daniels basically say he regrets the Garza deal. All it takes is one, but we need to follow the same path as last year, in trading a guy early and I'm worried we won't be able to do that. Add in the fact that hitting is at more of a premium now and I can see the prospects we covet getting dealt for bats. Leaving us in a position where we're competing against Tampa and maybe a few other teams as well with not enough buyers to generate a big time package coming back.

[Guest]

Both Walker and Paxton are battling shoulder issues. I haven't heard any reports on Walker's stuff since coming back, but it would worry me to bring back two bum shoulders in return for our best trade asset.

 

They were last on my list of teams for a reason, but still preferable to Sanchez (bad) and Norris (good but not really much of an MLB asset until 2016).

I really wish Boston and Colorado would make runs before the deadline. Having Betts or Gray headline a deal would make me pretty happy.

[Backtobanks]

Hope the Cubs don't wait too long or the market might be reduced.

 

From MLBTR:

While no deal is imminent at the moment, rival officials tell ESPN’s Buster Olney that the Rays are prepared to move David Price “right now” if the right offer presents itself

[Guest]

Hope the Cubs don't wait too long or the market might be reduced.

 

From MLBTR:

While no deal is imminent at the moment, rival officials tell ESPN’s Buster Olney that the Rays are prepared to move David Price “right now” if the right offer presents itself

I think that's a good thing for the Cubs. It sets the price and takes Price off the market.

[Backtobanks]

Hope the Cubs don't wait too long or the market might be reduced.

 

From MLBTR:

While no deal is imminent at the moment, rival officials tell ESPN’s Buster Olney that the Rays are prepared to move David Price “right now” if the right offer presents itself

I think that's a good thing for the Cubs. It sets the price and takes Price off the market.

 

Yeah, but how many teams are willing to pay 3-4 good prospects for a top pitcher? Whatever that number might be will be reduced by one if Price is traded first. Also, whatever the Rays get for Price might have been the guys we were going to get for Shark.

[Sammy Sofa]

Pretty sure they'll survive having one less team to shop him to.

[Little Slide Rooter]

It could be beneficial to wait for a bidding war on Price to start and end, and descend like vultures upon the losers.

[Clem Fandango]

Both Walker and Paxton are battling shoulder issues. I haven't heard any reports on Walker's stuff since coming back, but it would worry me to bring back two bum shoulders in return for our best trade asset.

 

My first thought when reading this was a [shutter] three team trade [/shutter] where the Cubs can flip Samardzija for prospects that go to a third team in exchange for MLB talent back to the Cubs.

 

Seattle gets Samardzija

Florida gets Walker, Paxton, Baez

Cubs get Stanton

 

But we all know that will never happen, but that's what I thought when I read that.

[Guest]

The Marlins won't trade Stanton at the deadline unless they run off 15 straight losses or something like that. Going to have to deal for him during the offseason.

[Clem Fandango]

Yeah I know, just using it as an example, but it seems like a trade comparable to that would be more what the Cubs would prefer since it's more difficult these days to trade MLB talent for MLB talent (or very near MLB talent, anyways)

[Guest]

So...

 

Of all the contending teams, Baltimore has had the worst starting pitching. By Far. They clearly haven't trusted Gausman to be a solution to their problem, either, as they've been shuttling him back and forth to AAA all year long. Bundy is coming back off surgery and won't be someone they can rely upon for big innings this year.

 

They might get desperate enough to deal two of Bundy/Gausman/Harvey. I get a feeling they'll target more of a Feldman-type upgrade where they don't have to give those guys up, though.

[davell]

I think I saw a quote yesterday from someone within their org saying they're excited about the youngsters and won't be dealing them for help now.