Week 15: Bears (7-6) @ Browns (4-9) Noon, FOX

[jersey cubs fan]

That was Trestman and the defense. Trestman still is one of the best play callers in the NFL, though.

 

McCown played a large role in that loss.

[cubbyvirus00]

 

He had two bad passes. You can't hold Marshall and get in a position to make an interception and then say that was a bad throw. But yeah he had two bad passes.

 

And his idiot play against Minnesota that cost us the game. Lets not forget that. Because that was as dumb a decision as you'll ever see. Was that not a "mistake", but a clever ploy to get Kyle Long a reception? Nor his inability to throw a TD in the red zone unless his receiver has nobody within 5 yards of him.

 

And yet, when Cutler has good passes bobbled by Earl Bennett or deflected on a fluke and picked off, it's his fault.

 

It's not Earl's fault that Jay throws too hard while McCown gently places the ball in his receivers' hands.

 

With the softest touch of an angelic cherub.

 

I heard Jay spits on the ball before he throws it and then laughs about it.

 

 

I laughed.

 

 

Hey Wilson, you must also think that our defense is suffering cause Urlacher retired.

[Guest]

It's a completely innocuous quote (just like what Brandon Marshall said about Alshon Jeffery) but you interpret it completely different from everyone else because you let your biases cloud your thinking.

 

Hey, he doesn't have any biases against Cutler. Some of his best friends are extremely talented quarterbacks with attitude problems and too much confidence to write checks his diva wide receivers can't cash.

 

Bwahahahahahaha.

 

i love when goony makes jokes

[Ryne Ween]

Lets give Mccown some credit hes produced more DYAR in his couple games as starter this year than Jay in his entire career as a bear.

[mul21]

Lets give Mccown some credit hes produced more DYAR in his couple games as starter this year than Jay in his entire career as a bear.

 

I really think this is where some people just aren't getting it. No one is discrediting what McCown has done. He's been better than about 98% of backups that have ever gotten the chance to play. He's simply not as talented or capable of making all the plays that need to be made on a long term basis as Cutler.

[SpongeWorthy]

Lets give Mccown some credit hes produced more DYAR in his couple games as starter this year than Jay in his entire career as a bear.

 

I really think this is where some people just aren't getting it. No one is discrediting what McCown has done. He's been better than about 98% of backups that have ever gotten the chance to play. He's simply not as talented or capable of making all the plays that need to be made on a long term basis as Cutler.

 

If you're so hung up on Cutler being the long term answer, you can still bring him back whether he plays or not the remainder of the season. The decision Trestman is facing isn't really about that. It's about who is better to win 3 games that are all must-haves: the less-talented hot hand or the starter shaking off injuries and/or rust.

 

I think the best argument for Cutler is that if he's healthy and productive, we have a much higher ceiling (probably a lower floor but who cares if you're not winning the championship/tanking for draft position).

[jersey cubs fan]

If you need 3 in a row why count on the guy that's lost 2 of 3?

[USSoccer]

Because he's Roy Hobbs; duh.

 

Also, don't let contradicting facts get in the way of a ridiculous argument.

[Sammy Sofa]

I can understand people being concerned about Jay still being injured, but too rusty? Is he likely to be rustier than McCown was when he took over? Plus it's not like it's been a long offseason or something that he's coming back from.

[USSoccer]

I can understand people being concerned about Jay still being injured, but too rusty? Is he likely to be rustier than McCown was when he took over? Plus it's not like it's been a long offseason or something that he's coming back from.

 

DO YOU REALLY WANT OLD MAN CUTLER WITH HIS FINGER ON THE BUTTON?

[SpongeWorthy]

I can understand people being concerned about Jay still being injured, but too rusty? Is he likely to be rustier than McCown was when he took over? Plus it's not like it's been a long offseason or something that he's coming back from.

 

The backup generally has the advantage of not having film or having the defense prepped for him. Cutler wouldn't have that opportunity. The good news is that the Browns are probably too feeble to take advantage of it.

 

In any case, the last time Cutler was sent into start coming back from injury he clearly wasn't healthy and was summarily executed by the Lions. That's worrisome enough.

 

USS is completely unhinged and goony is making an argument that is one step removed from "COUNT TEH RINGZ!1one"

[WrigleyField 22]

If you need 3 in a row why count on the guy that's lost 2 of 3?

=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

[Sammy Sofa]

I can understand people being concerned about Jay still being injured, but too rusty? Is he likely to be rustier than McCown was when he took over? Plus it's not like it's been a long offseason or something that he's coming back from.

 

The backup generally has the advantage of not having film or having the defense prepped for him. Cutler wouldn't have that opportunity. The good news is that the Browns are probably too feeble to take advantage of it.

 

In any case, the last time Cutler was sent into start coming back from injury he clearly wasn't healthy and was summarily executed by the Lions. That's worrisome enough.

 

Well, yeah, nobody wants him out there if he's in that condition. Everyone wanting him out there clearly is doing so with the hopes that the Bears have learned their lesson from that debacle.

[WrigleyField 22]

I can understand people being concerned about Jay still being injured, but too rusty? Is he likely to be rustier than McCown was when he took over? Plus it's not like it's been a long offseason or something that he's coming back from.

 

The backup generally has the advantage of not having film or having the defense prepped for him. Cutler wouldn't have that opportunity. The good news is that the Browns are probably too feeble to take advantage of it.

 

In any case, the last time Cutler was sent into start coming back from injury he clearly wasn't healthy and was summarily executed by the Lions. That's worrisome enough.

 

Well, yeah, nobody wants him out there if he's in that condition. Everyone wanting him out there clearly is doing so with the hopes that the Bears have learned their lesson from that debacle.

It is funny... when you look at the "Cutler losses" there was one bad offensive showing against the Saints and then his injury debacle against the Lions. Then there was a game where our offense put up 32 but our D gave 40 (Although from memory, to be fair, I think one score was one Cutler) . That wraps up the Cutler losses right? So subtract shitty D and play Cutler when he/s healthy and I think we're good.

[USSoccer]

I can understand people being concerned about Jay still being injured, but too rusty? Is he likely to be rustier than McCown was when he took over? Plus it's not like it's been a long offseason or something that he's coming back from.

 

The backup generally has the advantage of not having film or having the defense prepped for him. Cutler wouldn't have that opportunity. The good news is that the Browns are probably too feeble to take advantage of it.

 

In any case, the last time Cutler was sent into start coming back from injury he clearly wasn't healthy and was summarily executed by the Lions. That's worrisome enough.

 

USS is completely unhinged and goony is making an argument that is one step removed from "COUNT TEH RINGZ!1one"

 

You're assuming I'm doing anything but pointing out logical fallacies.

[BigSlick]

I like DVOA and DYAR but I also give them slightly less credence than advanced fielding stats in baseball

[treebird]

wilson is a packers fan. why are you guys even talking to him?

[Wilson A2000]

wilson is a packers fan. why are you guys even talking to him?

 

Probably for the same reason you poke your head in here and contribute nothing to the conversation.

 

I'm sure Packers fans want Jay to start Sunday and the rest of the year if healthy, prefer to sign him to a long-term extension, and repeatedly point out that Jay has far more talent that McCown. There is very little to what I'm saying that goes against the grain. There is nothing revolutionary to interpreting Jay as being fed up with the McCown love when he was quick to point out that his fellow teammate, the NFC player of the week who just played one of the best QB'd games in Bears history made some bad throws. Jay went out of his way to say it.

[Banedon]

wilson is a packers fan. why are you guys even talking to him?

 

Probably for the same reason you poke your head in here and contribute nothing to the conversation.

 

I'm sure Packers fans want Jay to start Sunday and the rest of the year if healthy, prefer to sign him to a long-term extension, and repeatedly point out that Jay has far more talent that McCown. There is very little to what I'm saying that goes against the grain. There is nothing revolutionary to interpreting Jay as being fed up with the McCown love when he was quick to point out that his fellow teammate, the NFC player of the week who just played one of the best QB'd games in Bears history made some bad throws. Jay went out of his way to say it.

 

Jay is right! There is nothing revolutionary in saying that Josh McCown, the NFC player of the week, made some bad throws this week.

[RynoRules]

BREAKING NEWS: James Jones told Packers beat reporters that Rodgers and Seneca Wallace both made a few bad throws recently.

[Guest]

Oh man, this is going to be great.

 

Jay Cutler is the best QB in Bears history, he is better than McCown, who has played extremely well over the past several weeks, and gives the Bears a better chance to win and sneak into the playoffs. McCown has been in the perfect situation to succeed, he prepares tirelessly and he can make short to semi - intermediate throws very accurately. But Jay is the franchise and he's been the franchise since got here, carrying the Bears offense as far as he has. Anything McCown has done he's learned how to do by watching Jay.

[Sammy Sofa]

A sulley divided against itself is not a pretty thing to watch.

[Guest]

No contradictions no crappin

[Ryne Ween]

The problem is that Cutler isnt very good. So while he is better than McCown, he still isnt very good. You have to do a ton of gymnastics to find some objective, advanced, and non-usage based statistics that rank him toward the top of the league. With this new offensive genius and all these weapons, he should be playing really well, and while he was before he got hurt Mccown has looked better.

 

Mccown outplayed him through some combination of the offense maturing, other guys playing great, bad defenses and good play from Mccown. The team's offense looks better than it ever had under Jay, combined with Jay's jerk face and boner personality and everybody is arguing about Mccown being better. I think it just shows how low the bar dropped for Jay who Id hoped would be a top 5 QB in the league when we got him. The argument isnt about Jay being an all-pro its about whether or not hes a better option than Josh Mccown and thats pretty sad. Of course hes a better option. I just hope that they dont sign him to a huge deal that he doesnt deserve.

[Guest]

so Jay and his 90% passer rating this year isn't very good?

 

i don't think Trestman's offense is a great fit for Jay's talents, but he's certainly been a good Quarterback in the offense, and he's more than talented enough to win a super bowl. you don't have to be Tom Brady to win it, you just have to be Ben Roethlisberger or Joe Flacco.