2014 NFL Draft Thread

[jersey cubs fan]

Best pick of the first round: Oakland - Khalil Mack. Mack is an immediate starter and likely a future elite LB and the Raiders got him without moving up. Honorable mention: Bills - Sammy Watkins

 

Worst pick of the first round: Cleveland - Johnny Manziel. Good player, likely a franchise QB but the Browns could have had a better QB and kept their 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Honorable mention: Eagles - Marcus Smith

 

Most underrated pick of the first round: Ravens - CJ Mosley. Top 10 talent in one of the few thin positions in the draft. He has injury concerns but he cleared every team's medical checks. Honorable mention: Dolphins - Ja'Waun James

 

Mack was good, Bridgewater to Vikings was pretty huge.

[SpongeWorthy]

safety is the least damn important position on defense.

 

Pete Carroll, the preeminent mind in all of football, disagrees

 

He also has the best safety in the NFL, which helps him come to that conclusion.

 

whom he drafted

[RynoRules]

The Marcus Smith pick was almost as dumb as the Pats picking a guy coming not one but two torn ACL's, especially when they could have had about a half-dozen other DL's who are arguably round one talents.

[SpongeWorthy]

Best pick of the first round: Oakland - Khalil Mack. Mack is an immediate starter and likely a future elite LB and the Raiders got him without moving up. Honorable mention: Bills - Sammy Watkins

 

Worst pick of the first round: Cleveland - Johnny Manziel. Good player, likely a franchise QB but the Browns could have had a better QB and kept their 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Honorable mention: Eagles - Marcus Smith

 

Most underrated pick of the first round: Ravens - CJ Mosley. Top 10 talent in one of the few thin positions in the draft. He has injury concerns but he cleared every team's medical checks. Honorable mention: Dolphins - Ja'Waun James

 

if manziel is a franchise QB they won't miss the 3rd round pick

[JonJayCutler]

By the time this Vikings monster really grows a head, AP will be about finished, so at least there's that.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

what a dumb statement. how can you say the worst pick in the draft is a guy who is "likely a franchise QB"

[dew1679666265]

Best pick of the first round: Oakland - Khalil Mack. Mack is an immediate starter and likely a future elite LB and the Raiders got him without moving up. Honorable mention: Bills - Sammy Watkins

 

Worst pick of the first round: Cleveland - Johnny Manziel. Good player, likely a franchise QB but the Browns could have had a better QB and kept their 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Honorable mention: Eagles - Marcus Smith

 

Most underrated pick of the first round: Ravens - CJ Mosley. Top 10 talent in one of the few thin positions in the draft. He has injury concerns but he cleared every team's medical checks. Honorable mention: Dolphins - Ja'Waun James

 

if manziel is a franchise QB they won't miss the 3rd round pick

 

In this kind of a draft they might if Bridgewater becomes a better franchise QB and the Seahawks end up with a second really good player with that third round pick.

 

I'd say the odds of Bridgewater becoming a franchise QB are higher than Manziel becoming one.

[dew1679666265]

Best pick of the first round: Oakland - Khalil Mack. Mack is an immediate starter and likely a future elite LB and the Raiders got him without moving up. Honorable mention: Bills - Sammy Watkins

 

Worst pick of the first round: Cleveland - Johnny Manziel. Good player, likely a franchise QB but the Browns could have had a better QB and kept their 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Honorable mention: Eagles - Marcus Smith

 

Most underrated pick of the first round: Ravens - CJ Mosley. Top 10 talent in one of the few thin positions in the draft. He has injury concerns but he cleared every team's medical checks. Honorable mention: Dolphins - Ja'Waun James

 

Mack was good, Bridgewater to Vikings was pretty huge.

 

Very true and that would probably be my 2nd honorable mention. The Raiders get the nod because they got an elite talent without giving up anything extra.

[jersey cubs fan]

what a dumb statement. how can you say the worst pick in the draft is a guy who is "likely a franchise QB"

Manziel is going to crash and burn. Probably could not have asked for a better destination for him to fail. But that is true about how he phrased that.

[dew1679666265]

what a dumb statement. how can you say the worst pick in the draft is a guy who is "likely a franchise QB"

 

Because you passed on a better player and gave up a third round pick (which, in this draft, is almost equivalent to a 2nd round in most years) on top of that for no good reason. The pointless wastefulness and intentionally not taking a better player is the reason I judge it so harshly.

 

If the picks happened in a vaccum, Manziel wouldn't be the worst pick. But because they gave up the potential to draft a very good player later for the right to draft an inferior player, the pick looks much worse.

[dew1679666265]

what a dumb statement. how can you say the worst pick in the draft is a guy who is "likely a franchise QB"

Manziel is going to crash and burn. Probably could not have asked for a better destination for him to fail. But that is true about how he phrased that.

 

Maybe "possible franchise QB" is better. Probably more accurate, at least.

 

EDIT: It's basically opportunity cost. The Browns had an opportunity to have Bridgewater and, say, Bishop Sankey or Andre Williams. Instead, they have only Manziel, who isn't as good as Bridgewater and has a higher likelihood of not becoming a franchise QB. That's worse than simply taking a good player earlier than you should.

 

The goal is to put together the best team possible and the Browns hindered themselves more toward achieving that goal than the Eagles did by taking a lesser player than other options but not giving up a very valuable pick to do so.

[Guest]

Best pick of the first round: Oakland - Khalil Mack. Mack is an immediate starter and likely a future elite LB and the Raiders got him without moving up. Honorable mention: Bills - Sammy Watkins

 

Worst pick of the first round: Cleveland - Johnny Manziel. Good player, likely a franchise QB but the Browns could have had a better QB and kept their 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Honorable mention: Eagles - Marcus Smith

 

Most underrated pick of the first round: Ravens - CJ Mosley. Top 10 talent in one of the few thin positions in the draft. He has injury concerns but he cleared every team's medical checks. Honorable mention: Dolphins - Ja'Waun James

 

Thought the Jaguars taking Bortles so high was brutal. Especially with the way the draft unfolded.

[jersey cubs fan]

what a dumb statement. how can you say the worst pick in the draft is a guy who is "likely a franchise QB"

Manziel is going to crash and burn. Probably could not have asked for a better destination for him to fail. But that is true about how he phrased that.

 

Maybe "possible franchise QB" is better. Probably more accurate, at least.

 

EDIT: It's basically opportunity cost. The Browns had an opportunity to have Bridgewater and, say, Bishop Sankey or Andre Williams. Instead, they have only Manziel, who isn't as good as Bridgewater and has a higher likelihood of not becoming a franchise QB. That's worse than simply taking a good player earlier than you should.

 

The goal is to put together the best team possible and the Browns hindered themselves more toward achieving that goal than the Eagles did by taking a lesser player than other options but not giving up a very valuable pick to do so.

While that makes sense, the idea with QBs is you pick the one you think is best. They aren't irreplaceable parts.

[Andy]

Best pick of the first round: Oakland - Khalil Mack. Mack is an immediate starter and likely a future elite LB and the Raiders got him without moving up. Honorable mention: Bills - Sammy Watkins

 

Worst pick of the first round: Cleveland - Johnny Manziel. Good player, likely a franchise QB but the Browns could have had a better QB and kept their 3rd round pick in a very deep draft. Honorable mention: Eagles - Marcus Smith

 

Most underrated pick of the first round: Ravens - CJ Mosley. Top 10 talent in one of the few thin positions in the draft. He has injury concerns but he cleared every team's medical checks. Honorable mention: Dolphins - Ja'Waun James

 

Thought the Jaguars taking Bortles so high was brutal. Especially with the way the draft unfolded.

Don't know if it was mentioned here, but Gus Bradley said that even if Clowney had been there at 3, the Jags would have still taken Bortles.

 

It must be nice for fans who have Jacksonville in their division.

[hawkeyecub]

Man I am [expletive] ecstatic right now. Wasn't in love with Barr but he's a freak athlete at a position of need. Raw but I think Zimmer has the kind of track record to have faith he can coach him up.

 

But Teddy, at 32? Can't believe it. I don't know if he'll ever be a top 5 QB and you never really know [expletive] but I am confident he'll be good. The guy I wanted most at that spot, only giving up a 4th after gaining an early 5th. After getting the head coach I was hoping for and the OC I wanted. This offseason couldn't have realistically gone much better from my perspective.

[Soul]

Vikings have done a great job no doubt

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

Manziel is going to crash and burn.

No argument here.

[Soul]

Manziel is going to crash and burn.

No argument here.

Come on now, be nice. It's happy time for everyone.

 

Reality doesn't come crashing down until September.

[Derwood]

HOU has Clowney, and will probably take Carr tonight, all without trading up or down. That's pretty good as well

[neely crenshaw]

The Bears may be Ok long term but its hard to stomach a pick that high that likely won't be a starter on a defense that had/has a lot of holes. Unless they are moving peanut to safety (which has been talked about before) I worry that we have a small window to build a defense while the offense is in place.

The saving grace is that it looks like one of the D-lineman that we considered at #1 should be there in the second round but safety has a huge drop off after the top 2. So unless there is a move, we will still trot out 2 safeties that most experts consider back up quality.

Beyond that you have huge questions at LB, and even still on the interior line. Hard to say we are good enough to draft a "nickel" in the first round or for our future need at CB. Nice player but we need help now at so many positions. I have a similar feeling to the McClellin pick where we watch better players for our needs being drafted by far better teams.

[Banedon]

The Bears may be Ok long term but its hard to stomach a pick that high that likely won't be a starter on a defense that had/has a lot of holes. Unless they are moving peanut to safety (which has been talked about before) I worry that we have a small window to build a defense while the offense is in place.

The saving grace is that it looks like one of the D-lineman that we considered at #1 should be there in the second round but safety has a huge drop off after the top 2. So unless there is a move, we will still trot out 2 safeties that most experts consider back up quality.

Beyond that you have huge questions at LB, and even still on the interior line. Hard to say we are good enough to draft a "nickel" in the first round or for our future need at CB. Nice player but we need help now at so many positions. I have a similar feeling to the McClellin pick where we watch better players for our needs being drafted by far better teams.

 

He'll be a starter at nickel. Comparing this pick to McClellin is just not understanding football.

[JonJayCutler]

HOU has Clowney, and will probably take Carr tonight, all without trading up or down. That's pretty good as well

 

Considering I like Carr more than Bridgewater anyway, I'll take this combo over the Minny one any day. Granted they are picking higher.

[Tangled Up in Plaid]

does houston want to risk taking another carr? :blush:

[Guest]

Dane Brugler 2nd round mock: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24555651/nfl-draft-second-round-mock-draft

 

Bears get Hageman

[Banedon]

Dane Brugler 2nd round mock: http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24555651/nfl-draft-second-round-mock-draft

 

Bears get Hageman

 

Walterfootball has them with Kareem Martin: http://walterfootball.com/draft2014redraft_2.php

 

Charlie Campbell has them with Hageman: http://walterfootball.com/draft2014charlieredraft_2.php

 

FWIW, Campbell has Louis Nix falling past us to the Eagles.