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So 2014 rotation is a no?

 

Maybe he sneaks in a few starts but he needed to build up stamina this season for a spot in next year's rotation. That's disappointing.

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He had elbow surgery to remove calcium build up, but the tendons and elbow itself are supposedly completely fine.

 

I'm sure that Sullivan is loving every second of this. Love the subtle jab at Moneyball in his tweet.

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He had elbow surgery to remove calcium build up, but the tendons and elbow itself are supposedly completely fine.

 

I'm sure that Sullivan is loving every second of this. Love the subtle jab at Moneyball in his tweet.

 

Maybe I'm missing something, but where's the jab?

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He's still 22 and under team control until 2018. Wasn't expecting anything from him this season anyway.

 

what? it's another year of not developing. this means that he's unlikely to play any kind of significant role on the big league team until at least 2015.

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Is he actually shut down for the year, or simply he won't pitch for the big league team at all this season?

 

The latter. The journalists who actually make an effort at their jobs say he'll begin throwing in 6 weeks.

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Damn. Well, at least Delgado sucks now too.

I wouldn't say Delgado sucks, and at the very least he was a major piece of the deal that got Justin Upton. I can't lie, it sucks the orginal Dempster deal fell through.

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Damn. Well, at least Delgado sucks now too.

I wouldn't say Delgado sucks, and at the very least he was a major piece of the deal that got Justin Upton. I can't lie, it sucks the orginal Dempster deal fell through.

 

upton had the cubs on his ntc, and the d-backs wanted the type of stuff we didn't really have anyways. we'd have delgado, and he'd be pitching terribly for us.

and this doesn't really change much for vizcaino, at least long-term. it all depends on what we would have gotten for maholm if the braves got dempster, but i definitely still like the way it turned out.

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I'm not saying I wanted Delgado just for Upton.. just saying he was and still is a highly thought of prospect around the league. Delgado did have have a rough start to the season, but has pitched better in AAA and is still very young. It's hard to be happy about vizcaino so far considering he hasn't pitched at all for us and now had another setback.
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He's still 22 and under team control until 2018. Wasn't expecting anything from him this season anyway.

 

what? it's another year of not developing. this means that he's unlikely to play any kind of significant role on the big league team until at least 2015.

 

It's not impossible that he could go the Wainwright route and close mid 2014 and then stretch into a starter for 2015 and beyonf if they feel he's physically able. From what I understand, development isn't so much the issue for him as health.

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He's still 22 and under team control until 2018. Wasn't expecting anything from him this season anyway.

 

what? it's another year of not developing. this means that he's unlikely to play any kind of significant role on the big league team until at least 2015.

 

It's not impossible that he could go the Wainwright route and close mid 2014 and then stretch into a starter for 2015 and beyonf if they feel he's physically able. From what I understand, development isn't so much the issue for him as health.

 

I don't get how that is the Wainwright route. Wainwright threw 182 innings in 2005, was a 75 inning reliever in 2006 and then a 200 inning starter in 2007. He had over 775 professional innings pitched before settling into his major league role. Vizcaino hasn't thrown a pitch since 2011, and he only threw 97 innings that season. He has less than 300 pro innings pitched spread over 4 seasons, and he will enter 2014 having not pitched competitively in 2 years.

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I hope Vizcaino doesn't turn out to be the second coming of Angel Guzman....guy who had a great arm but just couldn't stay healthy.
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Maybe the Braves knew something which is why they were so quick to give him up for 4th-5th starter?

 

They knew he was injured at the time of the trade, which was the whole reason why he was available in a trade.

 

If you are a good team that cares about winning games in the present you are going to trade injured pitching prospects for guys that make you better today every time. Injured pitching prospects are not hot commodities.

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