Who do we trade and what do we expect in return?

[imb]

Guess the line

 

A: Profar, 20-years-old, first trip through AAA: .278/.370/.438 (extrapolated to 559 at bats) 27 doubles, 8 triples, 16 HR, 82/94 BB/K

B: 21-years-old, first trip through AAA: .283/.341/.451, (559 at bats) 33 doubles, 8 triples, 15 HR, 46/126 BB/K

[Guest]

lol, just a compound fracture, eh Bruce?

 

Steve (chicago)

 

how worried are the cubs brass about the Soler injury?

Bruce Levine (1:11 PM)

 

I don't have any info on how worried they are but it's just a compound fracture. Doctors I have talked say that should heal. Epstein expects Soler to be playing in the Arizona Fall League in October.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Guess the line

 

A: Profar, 20-years-old, first trip through AAA: .278/.370/.438 (extrapolated to 559 at bats) 27 doubles, 8 triples, 16 HR, 82/94 BB/K

B: 21-years-old, first trip through AAA: .283/.341/.451, (559 at bats) 33 doubles, 8 triples, 15 HR, 46/126 BB/K

 

Dunno, but they don't look very comparable to me.

[Guest]

Skaggs & Davidson

 

but yeah, i don't really want to trade Wood

You have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups.

 

You have more confidence than I do that any pitching prospect we end up getting back will end up better than Travis Wood is.

Do you disagree with my assessment of Wood from above?

[Guest]

Skaggs & Davidson

 

but yeah, i don't really want to trade Wood

You have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups.

 

Wood obviously has a broad spectrum of usefulness to the Cubs; he doesn't have to be this good to be very valuable.

Where on earth did I say otherwise?

[Sammy Sofa]

Skaggs & Davidson

 

but yeah, i don't really want to trade Wood

You have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups.

 

Wood obviously has a broad spectrum of usefulness to the Cubs; he doesn't have to be this good to be very valuable.

Where on earth did I say otherwise?

 

If you're going to play that card then stop responding to people like anyone has said they think Wood is any kind of lock to keep pitching like a TOR-type of guy.

[XZero771679666304]

lol, just a compound fracture, eh Bruce?

 

Steve (chicago)

 

how worried are the cubs brass about the Soler injury?

Bruce Levine (1:11 PM)

 

I don't have any info on how worried they are but it's just a compound fracture. Doctors I have talked say that should heal. Epstein expects Soler to be playing in the Arizona Fall League in October.

 

Ha. Someone should give Bruce a compound fracture of the lower leg, it'd be an edifying experience for him.

[Guest]

Skaggs & Davidson

 

but yeah, i don't really want to trade Wood

You have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups.

 

Wood obviously has a broad spectrum of usefulness to the Cubs; he doesn't have to be this good to be very valuable.

Where on earth did I say otherwise?

 

If you're going to play that card then stop responding to people like anyone has said they think Wood is any kind of lock to keep pitching like a TOR-type of guy.

Okay - where on earth did I say that?

[Sammy Sofa]

In the quote right above, where you drop the strawman of "you have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups" when nobody said anything of the sort. If you're going to be all defensive and respond with stuff like "where did I say that" it doesn't really help if you yourself is putting words in someone else's mouth on the same page.

 

So let's follow the process...you bring up the idea of someone having confidence in Wood sustaining his numbers this season going forward. That's why I pointed out that Wood doesn't have to be pitching at this level to still be valuable to the Cubs. If that was so abundantly clear to begin with then why did you bring up the idea of someone thinking that Wood was going to keep pitching like this when they said nothing of the sort? (Hint: we already know why)

[Guest]

In the quote right above, where you drop the strawman of "you have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups" when nobody said anything of the sort. If you're going to be all defensive and respond with stuff like "where did I say that" it doesn't really help if you yourself is putting words in someone else's mouth on the same page.

 

So let's follow the process...you bring up the idea of someone having confidence in Wood sustaining his numbers this season going forward. That's why I pointed out that Wood doesn't have to be pitching at this level to still be valuable to the Cubs. If that was so abundantly clear to begin with then why did you bring up the idea of someone thinking that Wood was going to keep pitching like this when they said nothing of the sort? (Hint: we already know why)

My quote to sneaky was based on a conversation sneaky and I had a couple weeks ago.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, duh, how could anybody ever forget that?

[Guest]

 

Nah, there was a story that quoted a scout from a rival team who said he preferred Saunders to Baez and that Baez and Soler were overrated.

 

The Scouts’ Corner

 

One of the perks of covering a minor league team at the ballpark is meeting scouts from several other organizations. There were about a half a dozen scouting the Kane County series, and a majority of them had just come from the Florida State League. Here is what they had to say about some of the Cubs’ prospects.

They spoke at great length about Javier Baez and Jorge Soler and, unfortunately, confirmed just about every red flag that has ever been mentioned about them. One NL East scout emphatically said that the Cubs should stop ‘fooling around’ and move Baez to third base. He reported that Baez loses concentration in the field and can’t make routine plays. Baez has good hands and a strong arm, but little else defensively. Baez’s power and speed are considered on the plus side, but that he is now “Hollywooding” after going to the big league camp, and not hustling on the basepaths. His relationship with the other players isn’t the best, running hot and cold.

One scout reported that he saw the incident that Soler got into (Soler was suspended earlier for a bat-swinging incident) and said that if he was in their system, he would have stayed in Arizona for the rest of the season in order to ‘grow up’. Another said that Soler ‘was paid about 29 million too much’. All agreed that Soler has tremendous defensive ability, but that he is lazy. Soler is also reported to have a very bad attitude, glaring at the umpires every time they call a strike on him, trying their patience. Of the two, they like Baez’s power better, saying that Soler is more of a line drive hitter.

 

Drawing the biggest raves from Daytona were John Andreoli and Ben Carhart. An AL scout said that Andreoli has ‘all the tools’ to play any of the outfield positions, good speed, great base-running instincts, and a solid approach at the plate. Carhart is a solid contact-line driver hitter and grades out very well at third, and can also play second and first base. All of the scouts also had a lot of good things to say about Tim Saunders, and felt that he was the best shortstop on the team (Daytona). They also said that while Stephen Bruno wasn’t playing when they were there, he grades out best at third base.

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/05/cubs-down-on-the-farm-report-052813.php#.UdchUPmbPcw

That's the one. Guess it was Andreoli, not Saunders.

 

Loved the bit about Soler staying in Arizona all year. No GM would do that.

[Guest]

Well, duh, how could anybody ever forget that?

 

He alluded to it earlier in the conversation, too.

[Guest]

Well, duh, how could anybody ever forget that?

If you're being sarcastic, my post was meant as a comment to sneaky.

 

If you're being serious, then you'll see I wasn't really throwing a strawman out there. I was simply making a comment to sneaky about how he and I value Wood differently based on his projected ability to sustain a crazy HR/FB ratio.

[Guest]

 

Nah, there was a story that quoted a scout from a rival team who said he preferred Saunders to Baez and that Baez and Soler were overrated.

 

The Scouts’ Corner

 

One of the perks of covering a minor league team at the ballpark is meeting scouts from several other organizations. There were about a half a dozen scouting the Kane County series, and a majority of them had just come from the Florida State League. Here is what they had to say about some of the Cubs’ prospects.

They spoke at great length about Javier Baez and Jorge Soler and, unfortunately, confirmed just about every red flag that has ever been mentioned about them. One NL East scout emphatically said that the Cubs should stop ‘fooling around’ and move Baez to third base. He reported that Baez loses concentration in the field and can’t make routine plays. Baez has good hands and a strong arm, but little else defensively. Baez’s power and speed are considered on the plus side, but that he is now “Hollywooding” after going to the big league camp, and not hustling on the basepaths. His relationship with the other players isn’t the best, running hot and cold.

One scout reported that he saw the incident that Soler got into (Soler was suspended earlier for a bat-swinging incident) and said that if he was in their system, he would have stayed in Arizona for the rest of the season in order to ‘grow up’. Another said that Soler ‘was paid about 29 million too much’. All agreed that Soler has tremendous defensive ability, but that he is lazy. Soler is also reported to have a very bad attitude, glaring at the umpires every time they call a strike on him, trying their patience. Of the two, they like Baez’s power better, saying that Soler is more of a line drive hitter.

 

Drawing the biggest raves from Daytona were John Andreoli and Ben Carhart. An AL scout said that Andreoli has ‘all the tools’ to play any of the outfield positions, good speed, great base-running instincts, and a solid approach at the plate. Carhart is a solid contact-line driver hitter and grades out very well at third, and can also play second and first base. All of the scouts also had a lot of good things to say about Tim Saunders, and felt that he was the best shortstop on the team (Daytona). They also said that while Stephen Bruno wasn’t playing when they were there, he grades out best at third base.

 

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2013/05/cubs-down-on-the-farm-report-052813.php#.UdchUPmbPcw

That's the one. Guess it was Andreoli, not Saunders.

 

Loved the bit about Soler staying in Arizona all year. No GM would do that.

 

 

He does say Saunders is the best SS on Daytona.

[Guest]

lol, just a compound fracture, eh Bruce?

 

Steve (chicago)

 

how worried are the cubs brass about the Soler injury?

Bruce Levine (1:11 PM)

 

I don't have any info on how worried they are but it's just a compound fracture. Doctors I have talked say that should heal. Epstein expects Soler to be playing in the Arizona Fall League in October.

 

Ha. Someone should give Bruce a compound fracture of the lower leg, it'd be an edifying experience for him.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a compound fracture, either.

[bukie]

lol, just a compound fracture, eh Bruce?

 

Steve (chicago)

 

how worried are the cubs brass about the Soler injury?

Bruce Levine (1:11 PM)

 

I don't have any info on how worried they are but it's just a compound fracture. Doctors I have talked say that should heal. Epstein expects Soler to be playing in the Arizona Fall League in October.

 

Ha. Someone should give Bruce a compound fracture of the lower leg, it'd be an edifying experience for him.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a compound fracture, either.

Compound fracture, stress fracture, same family of ailment.

[XZero771679666304]

lol, just a compound fracture, eh Bruce?

 

Steve (chicago)

 

how worried are the cubs brass about the Soler injury?

Bruce Levine (1:11 PM)

 

I don't have any info on how worried they are but it's just a compound fracture. Doctors I have talked say that should heal. Epstein expects Soler to be playing in the Arizona Fall League in October.

 

Ha. Someone should give Bruce a compound fracture of the lower leg, it'd be an edifying experience for him.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a compound fracture, either.

 

I know that, I was suggesting enlightening Bruce about the difference between a minor and major fracture in the most direct manner possible.

[Guest]

lol, just a compound fracture, eh Bruce?

 

Steve (chicago)

 

how worried are the cubs brass about the Soler injury?

Bruce Levine (1:11 PM)

 

I don't have any info on how worried they are but it's just a compound fracture. Doctors I have talked say that should heal. Epstein expects Soler to be playing in the Arizona Fall League in October.

 

Ha. Someone should give Bruce a compound fracture of the lower leg, it'd be an edifying experience for him.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a compound fracture, either.

 

I know that, I was suggesting enlightening Bruce about the difference between a minor and major fracture in the most direct manner possible.

I was attempting to augment your point that he requires enlightenment.

[Sammy Sofa]

Well, duh, how could anybody ever forget that?

If you're being sarcastic, my post was meant as a comment to sneaky.

 

If you're being serious, then you'll see I wasn't really throwing a strawman out there. I was simply making a comment to sneaky about how he and I value Wood differently based on his projected ability to sustain a crazy HR/FB ratio.

 

I am serious; I don't think Wood's current performance is sustainable and I think he's more valuable to the Cubs as a Cub than what they could get trading for him.

[RammyFanny]

Eduardo A. Encina ‏@EddieInTheYard

 

Source said this week #Orioles were interested in Matt Garza b4 dealing 4 Feldman, but #Cubs wanted pkg that incl. Schoop & E. Rodriguez.

 

edit: looking at Schoop's bref page...what a full name: Jonathan Rufino Jezus Schoop

Edited July 5, 2013 by RammyFanny

[Little Slide Rooter]

Skaggs & Davidson

 

but yeah, i don't really want to trade Wood

You have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups.

 

Wood obviously has a broad spectrum of usefulness to the Cubs; he doesn't have to be this good to be very valuable.

 

Even if he is a 3-4 guy, that is certainly quite valuable, especially when you look at some of the garbage that we've passed off as rotation depth up until this year. This being said, a 3-4 starter is not the type of guy that's off limits, not if someone in more of a win now situation is willing to part with a few of their top prospects. Then again, it depends on when they decide that they want to win.

 

We already have Smardz as a nice front end starter and Jackson as a solid 3-4. If the powers that be do decide that winning in 2014 is just as fun as winning in 2015, and they find a way to extend Garza and trade for David Price, Wood is a very affordable, very good addition to that rotation.

[Sammy Sofa]

Skaggs & Davidson

 

but yeah, i don't really want to trade Wood

You have much more confidence than I do that he has some weird ability to have an sustainable, incredibly low HR/FB rate on non pop ups.

 

Wood obviously has a broad spectrum of usefulness to the Cubs; he doesn't have to be this good to be very valuable.

 

Even if he is a 3-4 guy, that is certainly quite valuable, especially when you look at some of the garbage that we've passed off as rotation depth up until this year. This being said, a 3-4 starter is not the type of guy that's off limits, not if someone in more of a win now situation is willing to part with a few of their top prospects. Then again, it depends on when they decide that they want to win.

 

The odds are greatly against anyone willing to give up anything resembling a "top prospect" for Travis Wood. That's a pipe dream. Let it die.

[Guest]

Well, duh, how could anybody ever forget that?

If you're being sarcastic, my post was meant as a comment to sneaky.

 

If you're being serious, then you'll see I wasn't really throwing a strawman out there. I was simply making a comment to sneaky about how he and I value Wood differently based on his projected ability to sustain a crazy HR/FB ratio.

 

I am serious; I don't think Wood's current performance is sustainable and I think he's more valuable to the Cubs as a Cub than what they could get trading for him.

okay - wasn't quite what I meant by if you're being serious, but I'll respond to this.

 

Why is Wood more valuable to the Cubs based on future value than he is to another team where he would be worth the same future value (perhaps more if they are more likely to contend in 2014, also), but significantly more present value, as well?

 

Do you disagree the Wood is more valuable to other teams than the Cubs? Or do you not believe the front office has a chance to receive fair compensation for the value Wood would provide to the trade partner?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Why is Wood more valuable to the Cubs based on future value than he is to another team where he would be worth the same future value (perhaps more if they are more likely to contend in 2014, also), but significantly more present value, as well?

 

How many teams are out there that both have our extreme lack of SP depth and our need to keep payroll at least somewhat under control, but are also in the race?

 

And how many of those teams have something to offer that we need more than we need Wood?

 

And how many of *those* teams aren't going to use either scouting reports or advanced statistics to decide he's not necessarily a guy you need for a stretch run?