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It still wasn't the best value pick at the position, in my opinion. Because of the unknowns about Long, there wasn't a way to put as strong a first round grade on him as a couple other guys that were available at the time.

 

He looks great though, and for sure if Long pans out Emery's going to have a nice feather in his cap.

 

I agree.....Hub's problem has been the way he comes off as a know-it-all, way too often. Sometimes he pulls back, and it's a lot easier to listen to him when he does.

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It still wasn't the best value pick at the position, in my opinion.

 

I recall that most objections were about "value", but that seemed based on draftniks' opinions. If Emery thought he was BPA, he was the best value for the Bears at that position.

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Source confirms @LanceBriggs report: Bears LB Jon Bostic fined for his hit vs. #Chargers. (Lowering the head on a defenseless player's body)

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/9587983/jon-bostic-chicago-bears-fined-21000-hit-mike-willie-san-diego-chargers

 

5% of his salary, basically for tackling a guy in the process of catching a ball. I'm not really sure how you can play MLB and not do what Bostic did there. Wrapped up, put his helmet on the ball. Yes, his helmet got into the WR's head, but that can't be avoided on every tackle. Every WR running a slant or screen is defenseless?

 

Makes you wonder how long football will be around.

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It still wasn't the best value pick at the position, in my opinion.

 

I recall that most objections were about "value", but that seemed based on draftniks' opinions. If Emery thought he was BPA, he was the best value for the Bears at that position.

 

Sure, although how else can any draft pick be judged, if it isn't based on opinions of different so-called experts around the country?

 

To a certain degree it all comes down to an opinion -- and Emery's is the one that matters for the Bears.

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Source confirms @LanceBriggs report: Bears LB Jon Bostic fined for his hit vs. #Chargers. (Lowering the head on a defenseless player's body)

 

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/9587983/jon-bostic-chicago-bears-fined-21000-hit-mike-willie-san-diego-chargers

 

5% of his salary, basically for tackling a guy in the process of catching a ball. I'm not really sure how you can play MLB and not do what Bostic did there. Wrapped up, put his helmet on the ball. Yes, his helmet got into the WR's head, but that can't be avoided on every tackle. Every WR running a slant or screen is defenseless?

 

Makes you wonder how long football will be around.

 

For comparison's sake, Bostic's was much more of a lead with the helmet type tackle than the Briggs blowup (last year?) hit. Lance actually had a proper form tackle, leading with the shoulder, but taking looks at the replay, it seems clear that Bostic is facing straight down, and the top of his helmet is what hits first.

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Absolutely. But he didn't launch himself. He put his helmet on the ball and wrapped up. Given the speed of the game I just don't think it's possible for a MLB to never have his helmet hit a WRs helmet. Guys that launch at a player's head should be heavily fined (maybe even ejected). But that just doesn't look like a dirty football play. I haven't seen anyone claim otherwise so I don't think this is fan bias.

 

If that's a play the NFL is going to fine then there will be multiple fines per game or the slant is going to be virtually unstoppable.

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Absolutely. But he didn't launch himself. He put his helmet on the ball and wrapped up. Given the speed of the game I just don't think it's possible for a MLB to never have his helmet hit a WRs helmet. Guys that launch at a player's head should be heavily fined (maybe even ejected). But that just doesn't look like a dirty football play. I haven't seen anyone claim otherwise so I don't think this is fan bias.

 

If that's a play the NFL is going to fine then there will be multiple fines per game or the slant is going to be virtually unstoppable.

 

No, he did not launch himself and yes, this is fairly typical of what guys got away with for a long time. But it's also well within the bounds of what the NFL has cracked down on in recent years. And I think it's still pretty easy for a 250lb LB to make a huge hit on a WR over the middle without leading with the crown of the helmet like Bostic did. Will they ever do it? Yes, it is going to happen and it will usually not be "dirty". But they can change the approach to contact and still make an impact.

 

Part of the problem is, going by what the highlight reals have shown for years, guys used to think this was proper form tackling. It is not. The head should not be in position and high school/college coaches should teach guys to not have their head in that position.

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Absolutely. But he didn't launch himself. He put his helmet on the ball and wrapped up. Given the speed of the game I just don't think it's possible for a MLB to never have his helmet hit a WRs helmet. Guys that launch at a player's head should be heavily fined (maybe even ejected). But that just doesn't look like a dirty football play. I haven't seen anyone claim otherwise so I don't think this is fan bias.

 

If that's a play the NFL is going to fine then there will be multiple fines per game or the slant is going to be virtually unstoppable.

 

No, he did not launch himself and yes, this is fairly typical of what guys got away with for a long time. But it's also well within the bounds of what the NFL has cracked down on in recent years. And I think it's still pretty easy for a 250lb LB to make a huge hit on a WR over the middle without leading with the crown of the helmet like Bostic did. Will they ever do it? Yes, it is going to happen and it will usually not be "dirty". But they can change the approach to contact and still make an impact.

 

Part of the problem is, going by what the highlight reals have shown for years, guys used to think this was proper form tackling. It is not. The head should not be in position and high school/college coaches should teach guys to not have their head in that position.

 

But the source in the article said that the league is not claiming he violated the new "crown of the helmet" rule.

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Martellus Bennett on if Jay Cutler sees when he's open: "I'm 6-7, big black guy running down the middle of the field. He sees me." #Bears

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If they're going to slap ridiculous fines on defensive players for hitting basically anything above the waist, expect a huge increase in leg/knee injuries. The legs are the only place left to tackle without getting penalized
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If they're going to slap ridiculous fines on defensive players for hitting basically anything above the waist, expect a huge increase in leg/knee injuries. The legs are the only place left to tackle without getting penalized

Nope. Did u see the Dustin Keller injury? His teammates are taking exception to that hit in the knees. Cant go too low or too high.....which is fine, but then u have to look at the guy with the ball lowering his head.

 

My issue with the Bostic fine is the WR wasn't even defenseless. That was actually probably a fumble. He took 2 steps and saw the hit coming.

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There's that, too. Guy definitely made a football move. But I don't care about that very much, because it's preseason and it doesn't really matter anyway.
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Bostic's fine will be reduced on appeal. The $21,000 is nearly 4x higher than the CBA allows

 

I just heard this too. Sounds like a first offense can't be punished with a fine greater than 25% of the player's weekly salary, so being paid the rookie minimum ($405K) he can't be fined more than $5,955 for this.

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Bostic's fine will be reduced on appeal. The $21,000 is nearly 4x higher than the CBA allows

 

I just heard this too. Sounds like a first offense can't be punished with a fine greater than 25% of the player's weekly salary, so being paid the rookie minimum ($405K) he can't be fined more than $5,955 for this.

 

Nice. Why should a player have to appeal just to get the league to follow its own rules, then?

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Bostic's fine will be reduced on appeal. The $21,000 is nearly 4x higher than the CBA allows

 

I just heard this too. Sounds like a first offense can't be punished with a fine greater than 25% of the player's weekly salary, so being paid the rookie minimum ($405K) he can't be fined more than $5,955 for this.

 

Nice. Why should a player have to appeal just to get the league to follow its own rules, then?

 

Because they're passing out fines based on some arbitrary set of guidelines they have in place that were made without taking player salaries into account. That's probably precisely why the union had that provision put into the CBA.

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Bostic's fine will be reduced on appeal. The $21,000 is nearly 4x higher than the CBA allows

 

I just heard this too. Sounds like a first offense can't be punished with a fine greater than 25% of the player's weekly salary, so being paid the rookie minimum ($405K) he can't be fined more than $5,955 for this.

 

Here’s the rule, from Article 46 of the Collective Bargaining Agreement:

 

“On appeal, a player may assert, among other defenses, that any fine should be reduced because it is excessive when compared to the player’s expected earnings for the season in question. However, a fine may be reduced on this basis only if it exceeds 25 percent of one week of a player’s salary for a first offense, and 50 percent of one week of a player’s salary for a second offense. A player may also argue on appeal that the circumstances do not warrant his receiving a fine above the amount stated in the schedule of fines.”

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/08/22/more-on-the-cba-rule-on-excessive-fines-for-low-paid-players/

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Well, yeah...literally was the last play of his career.

 

It was more like Major Wright (by happenstance/accident obviously) who ended his career as an actual good player.

 

Urlacher doesn't see it that way, I'm sure.

 

I couldn't make it through the first minute of ass kissing to get to the part about ending Urlacher's career.

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